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Originally posted by vdemona:
So do I. But I don't suppose we'll be getting any real meaty information about ROTK:CR from Doug until this summer.

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Originally posted by BigT1981:
Geez you all are the most impaitent bunch I've seen on a message board.

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Indeed... you half want it to drag on like a complete release like ALIEN or SPARTACUS just so that you can see what kind of fervor they'll have achieved with 30 years denial!

Well, I may not have walked this earth 300 lives of men (yet!), buuuut some of us waited 50 (in my case almost 40) years to see a decent film realization of The Book (not to be confused with the Bible!) and it has been 6 years (right?) since the first glorious sounds became available, so I think we are veeery patient, indeed, my preshhusss! (All for the sake of hearing the finest possible result and we have not been disappointed in the least thanks to the Fellowship of the Music with Howdalf in the lead.)

And then, we knows a good thing when we hears it, we does!! So we are only expressing our (impatient!) appreciation for all the diligent work put into the CRs and the Doug Book. And this one will be the capstone of it all......

I suppose I can't really argue with that!

You make a very good point, however, I would hope that a DVD of the LotR Symphony would be the format of the release and then ONLY with Maestro Shore conducting (AND with most of the camera time focused on him!) This would be a very important document (for us and for posterity): to be able to see a leading composer conducting his own (most?) important work!
Imagine if we had such for the great 18th and 19th c. composers... (Beethoven would be the most glaring single omission as he was not in a condition to conduct his own works, tragically.)
Timdalf

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Originally posted by Timdalf:
You make a very good point, however, I would hope that a DVD of the LotR Symphony would be the format of the release and then ONLY with Maestro Shore conducting ...

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totally agree, and besides not everybody had a chance to see the live performance.<<<

And also, as those of us who had that chance (if chance you call it! to quote the Bombadil) to hear the Symphony also saw the graphics done by Alan Lee for it... Another reason why a DVD release is the optimum choice!

So with the graphics, plenty of probing third-degree shots of the Maestro and the occasional close-up of the piccolo or triangle soloist of (we assume) the London Phil (as the original orchestra, unless M S has another preference, of course!) this would be the icing on the cake, no? And maybe with a loooong bonus interview of M S by our own Doug, and maybe even a running Composer's commentary on another track -- a bit tricksy to do with a mainly sonic piece, but is anything beyond those engineers these days?

So the question of the day is: what, indeed, has it [the DVD Symphony] got in its pocketses (or in its sleeveses!!)?

But all that is for the next round... meanwhile back at the CR, we wait, silently, breathing deeply, longingly waiting for morning sun to rise again... patiently... so very patiently... (fading sounds of distant, desperate screaming!) ;-)

"I want to hear music again... Music, Gandalf... and then find somewhere quiet where I can finish listening to the soundtrack.... I feel thin... sort of stretched... like butter scraped over too much bread...."

Timdalf

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(When I say Dune, I mean just the first book).

Some composers have very narrowly defined talents and you can usually always tell their "sound" by a certain style that they constantly fall back on but Shore's talent is his ability to bring a completely different style and sound to each of his scores. It would be great if the Dune story was told CORRECTLY (told in two films instead of one) with enough creative ingenuity and freedom given to the director and the proper budget and Howard Shore's services procured to create the score. Having proof of his brilliance with the LOTR scores I can only imagine what he would bring to the table on a Dune score.

It would be interesting to know if anyone has heard any LOTR music used at any occasions (sporting or otherwise).

I'll give you the only update I can really give at this point. I turned in a rough draft of the notes yesterday, which will be passed to Warners soon so they can start looking down the line.

Things are moving!

The ORC convention was fun... and if anyone lurking was there, it was a pleasure meeting you all.

More soon,

-Doug

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>>>Frustrating waiting isn't it.<<<

Indeed, my preshuss!!! Ah, maybe our dear and highly respected Doug could just give us regular sound-bite style updates as to what he is working on now, or has just "finished"... Maybe mysterious things like "I'm on Chapter 167 of the book" or "We just did minute 2,943 in the CR of Return"... You know, really tantalizing tidbits like that.... ANYTHING! (But nothing, of course, that would distract him for any length of time from the Great Project!)

Timdalf

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God honest truth: when I watched the EE DVD, everyone in the score featurette said they had so little time, and for the longest time I thought that's why the score was so heavily edited in the film, because Howard Shore simply had no more time matching his music to the picture.
But, after lining all the unused pieces up with the film, all I can say is: why on god's green earth didn't they leave it as it was? It's perfect! Gandalf's resurrection, the Warg attack, the Dead MArshes, Arwen's future, the lead-up to "Forth Eorlingas", Treebeard's introduction ...
I even think intercutting the flooding of Isengard with Frodo in Osgiliath (I re-sequenced the film to match the music) is great.
Why did they slice the music apart so much and left the impression of an unfinished score?

Just been listening to 'Theoden Rides Forth' and picked up on something that hadnt occured to me before.

Does anyone else hear Natures Reclamation in the brass chord progression between 2:03 and around 3:00?

Makes perfect sense for it to be there so I'm probably pointing out something that you've all noticed before but this is the first time I made the connection to that theme at this point in the score.

Also noticed it during Parth Galen on the Fellowship set between 6:13 and 6:42. Less obvious place for the theme to be played but its one of my favourites so no complaints!

but, in Parth Galen, I had caught that one a long time ago. The scene is "When Merry and Pippin, hiding under a tree root at Amon Hen, realize that Frodo wants to leave the Fellowship." When I first thought about this theme, before it was officially named the 'Nature Theme' or now, Nature's Reclamation... I had to assign a name to it and I chose, "Hope Unlooked For". I thought it defined moments when Hope/help came from unexpected sources. In this case, Merry and Pippin make a choice to step up and sacrifice their safety to aide Frodo's escape. There's quite an asstortment of comments and observations on that page of my website.
http://www.geocities.com/magpie930/THEMES/THnature_theme.htm

Something else...The Fellowship in Rohan (abbr. FiR) sounds mightily like something from Looking for Richard. I will try to find correct timings for comparison. Or, as I already posted, the likeness of a motif in the latter part of "Night Camp" with Shore's main theme for THE SCORE.

Intriguing it all issss....

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Something else...The Fellowship in Rohan (abbr. FiR) sounds mightily like something from Looking for Richard. I will try to find correct timings for comparison. Or, as I already posted, the likeness of a motif in the latter part of "Night Camp" with Shore's main theme for THE SCORE.

Intriguing it all issss....

Christian

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I understand there is some alternate music used in the extended fan credits for FOTR. Does anyone know exactly what they are? I seem to recall someone saying there was a different verion of Breaking of the Fellowship. Any details would be appreciated.

Also, regarding TTT, and exclusive music during the credits?

Any music exclusive to the TTT OST? I've only come across this info:

1. An alternate for the arrival of Gandalf's horse, Shadowfax, featuring a greater emphasis on the female choir, and with string arpeggios instead of horns ; 1:01_2:00 of "The White Rider"

2. A different mix for part of the Warg attack scene, there's a choral section that was later partially replaced by a fiddle solo; 0:53_1:36 of "Helm's Deep"

3. A longer version of Gandalf's return in Fangorn, using the same thematic material, but written for a slightly longer cut of the scene; 0:00_0:58 of "Forth Eorlingas"

I figured there are some real experts here, seems to be the best place to come to get some answers. Thanks!

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Hi - this is my first post here. Sorry if any of this has been addressed before.

I understand there is some alternate music used in the extended fan credits for FOTR. Does anyone know exactly what they are? I seem to recall someone saying there was a different verion of Breaking of the Fellowship. Any details would be appreciated.

Also, regarding TTT, and exclusive music during the credits?

Any music exclusive to the TTT OST? I've only come across this info:

1. An alternate for the arrival of Gandalf's horse, Shadowfax, featuring a greater emphasis on the female choir, and with string arpeggios instead of horns ; 1:01_2:00 of "The White Rider"

2. A different mix for part of the Warg attack scene, there's a choral section that was later partially replaced by a fiddle solo; 0:53_1:36 of "Helm's Deep"

3. A longer version of Gandalf's return in Fangorn, using the same thematic material, but written for a slightly longer cut of the scene; 0:00_0:58 of "Forth Eorlingas"

I figured there are some real experts here, seems to be the best place to come to get some answers. Thanks!

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Welcome to our little fanclub!

Yes, I believe all these questions were addressed quite recently... starting with Gorbag's post near the end of page 3. The discussion continues onto page 4.

Hope that helps!

Edit: I think that alternate of "The Breaking of the Fellowship" you're speaking of is a performance by the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra (NZSO). The London Philharmonic recorded everything else in LotR, so of course, there are some differences. I don't think this recording (the NZSO one) is available anywhere but the DVD.

TheTennisBallKid sent me a comprehensive look at unused/alternate music in TTT. I took a long time formatting it for my site and, even though it's technically 'done'... it cannot be properly uploaded until all the pages it's linked up with are ready to be uploaded. But... I feel so badly that his work isn't out there as a resource that I'm going to upload it as an isolated page. That means that a link on the page may work... but it may not. There are icons on the page that aren't available yet so you get red X's. And I can see there's still some final proofing that needs doing.

It's here: http://www.geocities.com/magpie930/temp_images/CR_TTT_unused_music.htm if you'd like to check it out.

You don't know how generous an obsessive perfectionist has to feel to put up a work in progress like this!

EDIT: And one other thing: TennisBallKid writes that the unused music for Gandalf's fight fight the Balrog, more specifically the choral excerpt from The Fight lines up with the lightning bolt hitting Glamdring, but I beg to differ here.
Not taking the first 1:35 into account, if you put the track into the movie, so that the "White Rider In Nature" music plays when it also plays in the film, you'll find that the entire piece fits perfectly. And you'll also find that the excerpt from The Fight doesn't underscore the lightning bolt, but rather the establishing shot of Zirakzigil.

EDIT II: One more note. TBK writes that the music for the flooding of Isengard was originally written for a slightly longer cut of the scene, and I agree.
BUT: the dropped footage, whatever it contained, does not affect the music at all, because it's obvious that the flooding of Isengard was originally intercut with Frodo in Osgiliath. The small section, of which TBK thinks it underscores Saruman and the Hobbits, actually would have played underneath the Wraith looking for Frodo and Sam yelling "Where are you going?" After that, the film cuts back to Isengard being flooded.
In order to make a correct iso score, you have to slightly re-edit the film. I did that, and it works out perfectly. The long, wailing strings threatening with the seduction theme are 100% synced with the ring being shown in Frodo's hand.

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The long, wailing strings threatening with the seduction theme are 100% synced with the ring being shown in Frodo's hand.

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They don't wail, they drone. After all this time, do get your terminology right!!!

Yeah, there are definitely nits to be picked with this, and I hope people pick them! It's not definitive, but it's a starting point. Thanks to Magpie for hosting it.

Gk -- thanks! Your explanation of the Isengard sequence seems to make sense...and I'll take a look at the Balrog fight.

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M -- I owe you some emails...

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The first concert scheduled was in Lucerne on March 16, 2007 at 7:30pm - and I was there!!

First, there was a Q & A with Howard Shore.
The most important things: He plays 6 different instruments (trumpet, saxophone, piano, clarinet, flute and cello), wants to release his version of the KingKong-Soundtrack and would like to return to Middleearth and collaborate with PJ again for The Hobbit!

Then he signed autographs (here is a picture of him) - I even got the chance to take a picture with him and to ask him, what he thinks about it, that his music was used on "The Simpsons" and how that happened. He answered: 'They asked me, an I said yes [of course, what else - what was I thinking ]. I think it's an honor to be in the Simpsons, isn't it?'

Then the concert began. It featured his music from 'The Fly', 'Dead Ringers', 'Naked Lunch', 'M. Butterfly', 'Mrs. Doubtfire', 'Prelude to A Kiss', 'Nobody's Fool', 'Big', 'Silence of the Lambs', 'Se7en' and 'The Aviator'.

After ‘The Aviator’, there was much applause and Ludwig Wicki called him on the stage - which caused even more applause...

Ludwig Wicki left the stage and Howard Shore CONDUCTED the 'Symphonic Suite of The Fellowship of the Ring' HIMSELF!
I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired this..
I mean, the LotR-Soundtrack, conducted by Howard Shore himself! How cool is that?

The 'Symphonic Suite of FotR' featured the Fellowship-Theme (the one you can hear after Gandalf's 'to the Bridge of Khazad-Dûm') and 'The Breaking of the Fellowship'. The boy, who was singing 'In Dreams' was very nervous (who wouldn't?) and a bit out of tune, but Howard smiled at him, making him more comfortable, and even sang along!

When he finished, the hall exploded. Everybody was on his/her feet and he was moved to tears (so was I - I was sitting in the 5th row, so I could see him pretty good - here is a picture of him on the stage).
He had to come back on the stage again for several times because the applause wouldn't stop.

If you ever get the chance to meet him: take it!

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...wants to release his version of the KingKong-Soundtrack and ...

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Thanks Sabsi, awesome news!

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They don't wail, they drone. After all this time, do get your terminology right!!!

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Nah, I'll stick with wailing

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Cool, thanks! Honestly, I never thought you could interpret the CR version of The Flooding Of Isengard any differently. After all, why would Howard Shore brutally interrupt a brilliant composition with Nazgul music if there was no radical change of pace in the film?

I'm glad to hear Howard Shore wants a Kong release. Does he own the score?

Sabsi is one of the people who has made a significant contribution to the lyrics work on my site (along with a few others who hang out here, if I start listing people.. I'll stupidly forget someone). When she posted this report at other locations, I urged her to post here since I knew you would all be excited about the Kong tidbit.

I'm planning on making it there and it'd be great if I could meet up with folks from MM.

Let me know and maybe we could meet in NY.

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