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3. Shadow of the Past: This has a mysterious flute solo beginning with Pity of Gollum's theme on both oboe and flute(0;00-0;58)that does not feature in the CR at all.

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It's an alternate piece (slightly trimmed on album) for 'Keep it Secret, Keep it Safe' 4:06-5:19. It was replaced with a statement of 'The History of the Ring'.

See http://www.lyndhursthouse.plus.com/fotr_ost_breakdown.pdf

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I thought so Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

And what a great break down of the FOTR OST!!!

I decided this last night after taking part in the Ash Wednesday service. The last part I listened to was TTT: CR, disc 1, track 7, ending with the unresolved Fellowship theme (in my car).

Pray for me brothers and sisters! I don't know if I can do it.

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Originally posted by Cavalier_of_Palahndtüs:
The Cavalier is giving up The Lord of the Rings score for 40 days.......oh, the agony!

I decided this last night after taking part in the Ash Wednesday service. The last part I listened to was TTT: CR, disc 1, track 7, ending with the unresolved Fellowship theme (in my car).

Pray for me brothers and sisters! I don't know if I can do it.

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That's why I always give up sweets for Lent... *Runs off to listen to TTT for the 956,354,793th time*

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Originally posted by Cavalier_of_Palahndtüs:
Pray for me brothers and sisters! I don't know if I can do it.

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LOL! Do it. Talk about sacrifice! It will only make the 40th day that much more incredible... you'll get to hear it again after so much pain and suffering....

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Originally posted by weyhoops:
All this talk of the OST finally convinced me to dust mine off...and WOW, I forgot how amazing The Prophecy and The Great River are. I'm currently overcome with nostalgia from these cues...The Prophecy especially. It was the first piece I heard and I knew it by heart before the movie even came out. The Fellowship trumpet solo statement at the end is one of my favorite cues in the whole trilogy of music. Sad that it has no place in the film. Is there a longer version of it perhaps? The beginning of the track does not sound like a true beginning to me. But maybe that is just wishful thinking.

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I was listening to a radio program that mentioned Tolkien briefly and they used the Rivendell Theme from FOTR to back up the piece. My heart was so moved I dug out my OST to listen to. I think the highs I feel throughout FOTR is so much greater than with the other two... even though, in some ways, I l rate ROTK higher.

I think ROTK is more like Bolero... it's this steady climb up... and then a quick release and a floating away. FOTR has more undulation to it. (How's that for a non-musicologist's review?)

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
I love Return Of The King.
With The Grey Havens, Howard Shore created a piece of music that never stops, and at the same time never moves. It's the musical equivalent of a historical snapshot.

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I barely appreciated "The Grey Havens" at all until I saw the film (which was years after buying the scores).

Now I can barely listen to it without getting teary-eyed or outright crying. It's truly a beautiful piece of music, but made far moreso by the scene with which it will be forever fondly associated.

@ Cavalier: to quote one politician who was highly (in)famous in the 90s... I feel your pain.

How about this... I can't listen to the LotR scores at all unless I am both not at home (my parents don't allow it), not at school, and not at work (my job isn't conducive to music-listening). Thus, I've listened to my favorite score the world over a total of perhaps 1 hour in the last 4/5 weeks. It is truly painful, I assure you. You have my sympathies.

FotR OST sure brings back memories. I remember the trepidation of the first listen. "Has Shore pulled it off? Will his music do justice to Tolkien's story and world?" were my main thoughts while listening and afterwards I was convinced to a certain extent. And that conviction grew and grew the more I listened to the music. After seeing the film I was in awe of how well he had captured Tolkien's world. I was totally converted when I heard the History of the Ring theme in the main titles

And over the years that conviction has turned to a passion for this music. The constant discovery in this music has been a rare experience. So rarely film scores reveal new nuances and details so long after first hearing. With LotR that feeling has lasted to this day. And it all adds to the intricate net of ideas and motifs that binds the work into a whole.

The reason FotR holds a special place in my heart is that it basically drew me into the world of this music and laid so strong ground work for things to come. This music could have been easily done wrong but fortunately Shore did it rightand well over my expectations.

I decided this last night after taking part in the Ash Wednesday service. The last part I listened to was TTT: CR, disc 1, track 7, ending with the unresolved Fellowship theme (in my car).

Pray for me brothers and sisters! I don't know if I can do it. <<<

We all know how Christian (albeit a Western Christian) JRRT was and that his works are somehow deeply permeated with Christian values... A sort of mythic parable.

We all know, I hope, that Wagner was not a church Christian in any usual sense of the word... (although "Tannheuser" and "Parsifal" -- not to mention "Lohengrin" are really Christian myths par excellence! And I believe his whole body of works culminates inevitably with "Parsifal" as a work focused on compassion/ co-suffering "mitleid")...

Now, there are no stricter more thorough-going Christians than 19th century Russian Orthodox (trust me on this -- they gave us tens of thousands of Martyrs under the Red Yoke as the culmination of a 1000 years of asceticism!)... But a while back I was amazed to learn that even Wagner's "Ring" (yes, that so-called "pagan" myth -- although I really don't think it is at heart!) was considered by the highest Russian Orthodox circles to be LENTEN fare!! The Martyred Tsar Nicholas and his whole family would attend performances of "Der Ring" IN LENT (when Orthodox fast from meat, fish, dairy, and anything worldly or less than edifying for 49 days!!)

So, I think, while I am refraining from listening to the LotR scores for this First Week of Lent (always the strictest until Holy and Great Week!)... I don't think I will be able to (or think it unLenten not to do so!) beyond that.....??? Oh, the temptation!!

Maybe I'll compromise and listen to LotR Scores only on weekends, when Lent lightens up a bit... just a bit!!! ;-)

Anyway, have a good Lent, all....
Timdalf

Incanus--I know exactly what you are talking about with the main titles. By the time they first flickered onto the screen, the History theme was an old friend...but as that visual hit me, and I realized what I was about to be given over the next 3 hours...well, there were some serious chills. 12/17/01. I'll never forget.

With FOTR:OST I remember trying to visualize exactly what I imagined to be going on with the music...it was like reading a book, and it is a huge testament to Howard's achievement that I could already "feel" the story being told simply by the (albeit truncated) musical composition and flow. Ah, to think its been more than 5 years.

Though I did succeed making the same sacrafice last year. Dunno what happened this year though.

So there...at least you don't give in, you'll feel much better in 36 days

Happy Lent All

EDIT: I messed... why did I ever get the impression that TImdalf was sacraficing???

Remind me to show you me air-conducting this one...

As for T2T...the second part of Night Camp, is that a cousin of Shore's main theme for The Score (this doubly-ascending brass line)? Sounds cool. And The Road to Mordor Theme at 1:29...this sounds strangely familiar. Also...those trumpet calls in 'War Is Upon Us'...I think I've heard something very similar, those perfect fourths, in Cop Land...hmmmmm....

CK

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There wasn't any "new" material that we haven't already heard, just some slightly different arrangements of what's already out there, mostly from the original soundtracks. That's not a criticism though, just putting some folks' concerns to rest that their collections aren't complete without a recording of the Symphony. You've already got it, so don't worry.

The real privilege was watching and listening to it played live. I won't belabor the description other than to say that it was spectacular. I will be returning for more symphonic presentations in the future even if it's well out of my way - the experience was that positive.

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Very slightly off topic but I just had to tell somebody who knows what I'm talking about: my wife and I got to see the LOTR Symphony in St. Petersburg last week. Wow, just wow.

There wasn't any "new" material that we haven't already heard, just some slightly different arrangements of what's already out there, mostly from the original soundtracks. That's not a criticism though, just putting some folks' concerns to rest that their collections aren't complete without a recording of the Symphony. You've already got it, so don't worry.

The real privilege was watching and listening to it played live. I won't belabor the description other than to say that it was spectacular. I will be returning for more symphonic presentations in the future even if it's well out of my way - the experience was that positive.

BTW, Doug Adams did the writeup in the program guide. Thanks, Doug!

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HOW?!? I've been checking the LotR Symphony schedule religiously for months, and I haven't even seen a presentation in the United States for AGES! (Those Germans and Austrians have ALL the fun )

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Originally posted by Magpie:
Well, although I'm not sure, I'm guessing Blue Dude was in St. Petersburg, Florida, US. And the symphony was played in Minneapolis last October but maybe that lies outside the realm of AGES. ;^)

I'm not sure where you're checking to find performances of the symphony. This page:
http://www.howardshore.com/works/lotrsymphony/performances.html
listed 4 US performances in the last 6 months. (This is the page for past performances, click "Back to previous" for upcoming performances. And yes, there aren't any US performances scheduled in the near future.)[/B]

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Hmmmmm. I'm not sure how I missed those performances in Louisville and St. Petersburg (although it doesn't really matter... I'm in MT).

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(Those Germans and Austrians have ALL the fun )

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Originally posted by Fingolphin:
Uh,sorry....I meant '05. My bad.

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Aha! Problem is, back in 2005, I didn't even know about the LotR Symphony. I'll just hope for maybe Denver, Spokane, or Portland again in the next couple of years!

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Originally posted by Fingolphin:
Billings, my friend. I am quite familiar with Livingston, as I used to live in both Big Timber and Bozeman. Very windy in BT and Livingston!
The LOTR Symphony was quite good; I was only slightly disappointed in the vocal soloists. However, the experience of just being there enjoying it live was quite enchanting.

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Yes, **VERY** windy.

I too am a little concerned about the vocal soloists... but I suppose I'll have to take whatever I can get.

Been busy for a while, but while driving to work and back, I gave TTT another listening - still sounds great

A question for Doug or any other musically inclined person with a good ear: in "Long Ways To Go Yet", is that an oboe d'amore performing "Evenstar"? I thought so because it has such a warm and gentle sound that the oboe usually doesn't have.

About the Symphony: I really hope I'll be able to go to another performance. Hearing music interpreted live is always thrilling.

PS: By the way, the LotR arrangement on "Wings Of Song" is basically nothing but all solo passages for Flute (from FOTR and ROTK) put into a single arrangement.
The *really* amazing thing is how well the music holds up to the classical composers also featured on the album. I've never listened to LotR in that context, and it really is astounding.
I have to admit that I was a little proud when I read the track listing: Offenbach, Wagner, Gluck, Dvorák, Brahms, Shore

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I’ll look at more questions soon, but I thought I’d let the US West Coasters out there know that I’ll be appearing at the theonering.net’s ORC convention in Burbank, CA the weekend of March 9, 10, 11. If anyone here is able to stop by, please by all means come say hello… I will buy you the beverage of your choice.

Perhaps I can even address some of the above questions in person and circumvent the impersonality of the Net!

More info here: http://www.creationent.com/cal/one_ring_line.htm
Hope to see you soon (and I’ll return here for a post or two shortly thereafter, I promise).

Best,

-Doug

Billy Boyd: One sentence.

David Wenham: One sentence.

Andy Serkis: Two sentences.

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The description of the special guests made me laugh:

Billy Boyd: One sentence.

David Wenham: One sentence.

Andy Serkis: Two sentences.

Doug Adams: half the page. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
A question for Doug or any other musically inclined person with a good ear: in "Long Ways To Go Yet", is that an oboe d'amore performing "Evenstar"? I thought so because it has such a warm and gentle sound that the oboe usually doesn't have.

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Originally posted by gkgyver:
>>Gkgyver, you have something stuck in your teeth.

Pardon?

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