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PeterK FishChip	The annotated score has been made available: http://download.wbr.com/lordoftherings/ROTK/rotk_annotated_score.pdf The LOTR ROTK box has arrived a week ahead of release date and all pre-orders begin shipping later this week: http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/lordoftherings3-complete Thanks to all your orders and support... we'll keep this thread going forever! Previous thread location here: http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/015975.html Thanks all!
posted 11-12-2007 11:59 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Yaaay! As I read the annotated score to "A Coronal Of Silver", in which Doug describes that the Fourth Age of Gondor theme resembles the Minas Tirith theme, I realise that the Minas Tirith theme and the Grey Havens theme (which also strongly resembles the Fourth Age theme) could represent the two opposite fates that the Fourth Age is bringing. The Minas Tirith theme on one hand, (better know maybe as "Anduril") with its majestic tone, could describe what Gondor once was and what it will become again. The Grey Havens theme on the other hand could describe the sacrifices people have to make so that a new Golden Age can become a reality.
posted 11-12-2007 12:23 PM PT (US)

Gorbag Standard Userer	Just in case it got lost in the last thread, I just wanted to reiterate that there seems to be a slight mistake in the Annotated Score - its not a huge problem by any means, but I think Doug has got Gorbag and Shagrat mixed up! I think general consensus has Gorbag as the orc and Shagrat as the Uruk Hai, Gorbag being the one who is stabbed by Sam. Again though, it's of minor significance, because Doug should be commended for some fantastic work yet again. Now hopefully I'll be able to actually listen to it by the end of the week! [Message edited by Gorbag on 11-12-2007]
posted 11-12-2007 12:27 PM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	A minor quibble. YOU, sir, should be proud that your name made it into the annotated score at all.
posted 11-12-2007 12:44 PM PT (US)

Gorbag Standard Userer	Lol I hadn't actually considered that! Anyway from the notes it seems like there's a considerable amount of unused material on this release, and it got me thinking; given the relatively large amounts of unused music in TTT and ROTK Complete Recordings compared to a quite small amount for FOTR, does anyone think that the idea of implementing unused music was not fully realized for the FOTR release, or is it simply a case that there was not as much for FOTR and everything relevant is on there? Obviously this is just speculative, as I have nothing to go on, it's just a thought. I suppose the Rarities disc will reveal a lot. [Message edited by Gorbag on 11-12-2007]
posted 11-12-2007 12:54 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	So the big choral piece heard in the Prophecy and the Battle of the Pelennor Fields is actually Mordor's second Fourth Age theme (the first one being the march that plays when the Orcs march from Minas Morgul), "The Power Of Mordor". Cool!
posted 11-12-2007 01:06 PM PT (US)

Doug Adams Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Gorbag: Just in case it got lost in the last thread, I just wanted to reiterate that there seems to be a slight mistake in the Annotated Score - its not a huge problem by any means, but I think Doug has got Gorbag and Shagrat mixed up! I think general consensus has Gorbag as the orc and Shagrat as the Uruk Hai, Gorbag being the one who is stabbed by Sam. [Message edited by Gorbag on 11-12-2007] Since there is still some Shagrat / Gorbag dissension out there, and since we are using a number of Wikipedia links, I went with the Wikipedians' take on just who is who. Now, no doubt since I've mentioned this, someone will go and change Wikipedia... But, we're doing our best to maintain consistency anyway. Gotta run... Podcasting! -Doug PS -- I would hope that, with the release date so near, and streaming sites already giving you an early glimpse of the music, people will remain respectful and stay clear of unscrupulous peer-to-peer sites for the next week. That's all I'll say on that topic.
posted 11-12-2007 01:16 PM PT (US)

Shire Bagginz Standard Userer	I've read the first three pages of the Annotated Score. Just...awsomeness! Thank you Doug and everyone else who worked on it. Here's eagerly awaiting my copy from moviemusic
posted 11-12-2007 01:29 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Any chance we ever get to hear "Frodo's Song"?
posted 11-12-2007 01:34 PM PT (US)

Shire Bagginz Standard Userer	And Sam's song?
posted 11-12-2007 01:40 PM PT (US)

dambedir Standard Userer	And Gollum's Song ? ..... Oups : Already done !
posted 11-12-2007 01:59 PM PT (US)

Foobsie Standard Userer	After all this is done and over with... why don't we print it out, have the pages go AROUND the world, we each put our john hancock, collect them yet again and thank mr. Shore from the very bottom of our musical hearts and wallets :-) FoobsZ
posted 11-12-2007 02:21 PM PT (US)

Fleuz Non-Standard Userer	The Annotated Score is not listed anywhere on the p2p sites in the web yet. Yours must be a fake, Foobsie. Or the radio cuts.
posted 11-12-2007 02:37 PM PT (US)

Foobsie Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Fleuz: The Annotated Score is not listed anywhere on the p2p sites in the web yet. Yours must be a fake, Foobsie. Or the radio cuts.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Not a fake at all. Not p2p. Select "channels". FoobsZ [Message edited by Foobsie on 11-12-2007]
posted 11-12-2007 02:48 PM PT (US)

weyhoops Standard Userer	Is that a riddle?
posted 11-12-2007 03:00 PM PT (US)

Foobsie Standard Userer	It's Gollumish :-) FoobsZ [Message edited by Foobsie on 11-12-2007]
posted 11-12-2007 03:21 PM PT (US)

weyhoops Standard Userer	Indeed. I am stumped, so I suppose I have to lead you out of the tunnel?
posted 11-12-2007 03:23 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Just feed him a fish FYI, "Frodo's Song" is not a joke, it's a choral piece written for the Grey Havens mentioned in the Annotated Score. It better be on the rarities disc, otherwise it would be infinitely cruel to mention it and then go "neeener, neeener"
posted 11-12-2007 03:31 PM PT (US)

Crono Standard Userer	Finally, no more 800 long posts threads. Now we'll have 10,000 postings.... --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 11-12-2007]
posted 11-12-2007 04:12 PM PT (US)

Fleuz Non-Standard Userer	Don't get it, Foobsie. What is "channels" ? @topic: I really looking forward to "Eowyn's Dream". The main titles have allready played in different streaming sites. So there won't be any suprise. Normally the box would allready be in my hands. Now I have to wait til next year and on Thursday I go on a trip WITHOUT the CR.
posted 11-12-2007 04:39 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	By far the most fascinating discovery in the Annotated Score was the part about the musical pattern of "Failure and Redemption". I'm sure there are people out there who will say it's overinterpreting, but if it's intended by Howard Shore, it's hardly an interpretation, isn't it?
posted 11-12-2007 06:50 PM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	Are we seriously going to have the audacity to discuss "channels" here again this year when Doug has just spoken a word about that!?
posted 11-12-2007 08:19 PM PT (US)

Strider1002 Standard Userer	Hey, even if I could download it right now, I wouldn't. This is the most exciting time, right up until the box arrives on my doorstep. Then it's scoregasm time.
posted 11-12-2007 08:45 PM PT (US)

Incanus Standard Userer	I would not spoil my RotK experience by listening to it before hand. It will be something brilliant to open the box when it arrives, put the first CD in the player and just enjoy the music that I have been waiting for so long. This is the end of the journey and I want to savour it! Waiting is part of the fun of this experience although this "fun" has been stretching thin over the last few weeks. But I think I can manage another week by reading this Annotated Score. -Mikko who also has 2 John Williams concerts to attend this week. Maestro of course will not be there (as I live in Finland) but his wonderful music will certainly alleviate the wait- [Message edited by Incanus on 11-12-2007] [Message edited by Incanus on 11-12-2007]
posted 11-12-2007 10:43 PM PT (US)

Fleuz Non-Standard Userer	@ NeoVoyager: Sorry but I don't know this "channels". I've bought nearly everything related to LOTR and will of course buy this CR. The thing is, that I'm going on a trip this thursday and would really appreciate to hear the CR in the train. That's all. @Foobsie: my email is derfleuz@msn.com if you could inform me about this OT-stuff Sry for OT.
posted 11-13-2007 01:41 AM PT (US)

ruckus Standard Userer	Well I've given in and decided to thumb through the first few pages of the annotated score - I don't think I'm technically cheating The booklet looks great and congratulations and thanks to Doug for a wonderful read once again. I hope the critics who will be reviewing the CR over the next couple of weeks realise that this resource is available. The In The Making note on page 10 relating to The Lighting Of The Beacons has cleared up the conundrum about the different versions for me. Edit: I wonder if Shore put in a quick reference to himself in the music for The Chalice Passed cameo scene. That would be the Great Ear theme I suppose ( apologies). Here's an excerpt from the annotated score that didn't make it into the final draft. quote: In The Making Shore originally wrote a short piece for the The Brave Guard of Rohan who featured second from the left in the crowd behind the drinking-game. The piece, which Shore agonised over for 3 weeks, included a soaring rendition of a theme solely for the character which, sadly, was cut at the last moment. Featuring swirling strings, roaring brass, tumultuous drums, a deafening hardanger fiddle statement, and aleatoric vocals by Renee Fleming, the London Voices, and a Maori rugby team choir, Peter Jackson ultimately decided that the 1.5 second piece distracted from the drinking game. Heard here for the first time on CD is the edited version. [Message edited by ruckus on 11-13-2007]
posted 11-13-2007 04:44 AM PT (US)

Thorf Standard Userer	I think there's been a misunderstanding. The only download being discussed is the Annotated Score, which Peter provided us with the link for. "Channels" = none other than our very own Peter K, and the link is in the first post of this very thread. Please everyone, let's make sure we read the thread properly before starting more arguments. With that hopefully out of the way, I've started reading the Annotated Score. Thanks Peter!! It seems you are the one with "channels". :-D
posted 11-13-2007 06:14 AM PT (US)

Strider1002 Standard Userer	Actually, the CR does appear to be available on eMule, though who knows if it's the real deal. "Osgiliath Invaded" is also on there separately.
posted 11-13-2007 07:07 AM PT (US)

Magpie Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Strider1002: Actually, the CR does appear to be available on ____, though who knows if it's the real deal. "Osgiliath Invaded" is also on there separately. Why would you even feel the need to post that here? Can we all agree that we will not discuss this on the forum? Discuss in private all you want. And 'discuss' includes ANY mention of sites or activity, imo. That's all I'll say on the matter. I was one who got into it last time and I don't want to rehash it over again. For those who weren't here last time, the point I will make again is, by discussing illegal file sharing openly on a forum, you make it difficult for people who need to maintain a professional (or moral) distance to the activity. I won't hang out on a board that discuss or encourages file sharing.
posted 11-13-2007 09:04 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Thorf, I agree... I have no idea what's being discussed here. The annotated score showing up on p2p sites? The best download version of the annotated score is right from the wbr/reprise website. Who'd want it from anywhere else? Do I have permission to clean this thread up? I am busy, but man, this one got off to a terrible start!
posted 11-13-2007 09:12 AM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	Strider!! Anyway, @ Thorf... Sorry if I misunderstood. It appeared like some were continuing the discussion that started with "Copies have already made it onto the net" on the last page.
posted 11-13-2007 09:32 AM PT (US)

dambedir Standard Userer	On Amazon.com you can have a GIFT-WRAP for only $0.99 With a little text like: "Th�oden: Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered! A sword day, a red day, and the sun rises!" It's true I will not offer My precious to an other than me ! but why I will deprive myself to send the CR like a present (to me). [Message edited by dambedir on 11-13-2007]
posted 11-13-2007 10:42 AM PT (US)

Strider1002 Standard Userer	Hey, I didn't put it up for download and I'm not downloading it. But it does happen, even if we don't choose to acknowledge it. It's just too bad that whoever posted it can't be found and held responsible. Can they? [Message edited by Strider1002 on 11-13-2007]
posted 11-13-2007 11:14 AM PT (US)

Crippled Avenger Standard Userer	Now this is frustrating. Amazon.ca sent me a message today that there is another delay in the CR. I check out the site and instead of a release date of Nov 20 or any other release date it simply says 'out of stock'. I pre-ordered within the first few days it became available on amazon.ca. I have a bad feeling about this. But while I go and sprout an ulcer over whether I'm going to hear this before 2008, congrats to the rest of you who are getting it soon. Argh. Oh, and Doug, do you have plans on sticking around the forum for some months after the release of ROTK and/or your book, I have some FOTR and TTT questions but I don't want to post them in a time when they'll simply be lost in the excitement of the new release.
posted 11-13-2007 11:54 AM PT (US)

tomandshell Non-Standard Userer	"As it never has before, and never will again, the Fellowship theme sounds in religioso full chorus and orchestra." I have been waiting four years for this track.
posted 11-13-2007 12:22 PM PT (US)

Horner Standard Userer	Something about Howard Shores "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring". I'm very excited to announce that Howard Shore is once more honoring the 21st Century Symphony Orchestra in Switzerland, Lucerne, for two exclusive Concerts in February 2008: �The Fellowship of the Ring �; Saturday 23th of February 2008, 19:30 (local time) and Sunday 24th of February 2008, 17:00 (local time), KKL Lucerne, Switzerland Live Soundtrack performed by the 21st Century Symphony Orchestra Conducted by Ludwig Wicki With Oscar�-Winner Howard Shore For further details, stay tuned! Cheers
posted 11-13-2007 03:43 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Question: Doug, in the Annotated Score, you write that the track "For Frodo" concludes with a bold french horn statement of the History/Evil theme hybrid. But: as far as I can hear, it's simply the History theme of the Ring. I realise that both themes are tightly interwoven, but it's still just the History theme. Unless of course I hallucinate.
posted 11-13-2007 03:44 PM PT (US)

rolltide1017 Standard Userer	Will there ever be a chance to buy a book with the annotated scores from all 3 release printed out? I just hate the way they look printed on normal printer paper and I also hate reading them from a .pdf file. I would also love to have them in a nice hardcover book. Any chance they ever get released like that? Also, when is the podcast going up!?
posted 11-13-2007 04:01 PM PT (US)

BattleToTheEnd Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rolltide1017: Will there ever be a chance to buy a book with the annotated scores from all 3 release printed out? I just hate the way they look printed on normal printer paper and I also hate reading them from a .pdf file. I would also love to have them in a nice hardcover book. Any chance they ever get released like that? Also, when is the podcast going up!? I would say look for the podcast to be up on monday, Doug has stated just a couple of days ago that he will be finishing the podcast this weekend.
posted 11-13-2007 04:20 PM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rolltide1017: Will there ever be a chance to buy a book with the annotated scores from all 3 release printed out? I just hate the way they look printed on normal printer paper and I also hate reading them from a .pdf file. I would also love to have them in a nice hardcover book. Any chance they ever get released like that? Also, when is the podcast going up!? Well, as I understand it, the book is going to contain all the annotated score information and MORE, and I'm quite sure it will be in a simply lovely format. So, you shouldn't need to be worried about that.
posted 11-13-2007 04:27 PM PT (US)

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