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The bassoon motif (heard on T2T, #9, from 0:40 to 1:01) and the stuff trombones and tuba are burrowing their way through during The White Tree (best heard at 2:03 and from 2:12 to 2:25) are variations on the many arching phrases that Shore uses abundantly in LotR (and many of his other scores). It's a Shore "calling card", so to speak.

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We seem to have a little motivic confusion here (not difficult in a score like this!). The 'Gandalf's Resurrection' motif I was referring to doesn't actually appear on the TTT OST or in the film. It can be heard from 2:05:17-2:05:37 during the TTT fan club credits.

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Originally posted by Jim Ware:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>The bassoon motif (heard on T2T, #9, from 0:40 to 1:01) and the stuff trombones and tuba are burrowing their way through during The White Tree (best heard at 2:03 and from 2:12 to 2:25) are variations on the many arching phrases that Shore uses abundantly in LotR (and many of his other scores). It's a Shore "calling card", so to speak.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

We seem to have a little motivic confusion here (not difficult in a score like this!). The 'Gandalf's Resurrection' motif I was referring to doesn't actually appear on the TTT OST or in the film. It can be heard from 2:05:17-2:05:37 during the TTT fan club credits.

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That's impossible, even for a computer!

Oh a beer would be just fine, I assure you!

>>>One question about FOTR though, although I fully realise everyone's already gearing up for TTT: I recently noticed that the Aragorn vs. Lurtz cue is shorter than in the film. Was it edited for film or for the album?>>>

If I remember correctly, it was edited for the film. I’d need to dig up some old paperwork to be certain, but I think that was the case.

As for the mystery White Rider (In Nature) and just what it may be, you’ll have to hang on for right now. There are certainly clues on the one disc OST, just look for what seems to be out of place, but is not.

That’s all I’ll say right now.

If you didn’t hear it in the theater, it was composed for the game by someone else.

Keep in mind, just because these are the complete scores for the films does not mean that they will contain everything that was recorded for the film. It just means that it presents the score Howard Shore wrote as a musical work. Fills and alternates, while some may be very attractive, don't necessarily fit into the flow of the score as a whole.

Complete recordings for The Return of the King:

110 x 180 minute recording sessions = 19800 minutes = 248 CDs

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Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
I expect some of this stuff might show up at some point in this proposed extra CD, but there are some things here and there that you may have heard that might not show up, particularly from the spin-off productions.

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thanks.but then,i guess,these releases shouldn't be called "complete recordings" but rather "almost complet recordings"/"uncomplete recordings" or better "unfinished recordings"

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Yeah. "Complete Score" would have been more appropriate. "Complete Recordings" does imply something like what a Miles Davis box set is, a presentation of an entire archive.

However, as I said, ancillary markets products like the games were not directly scored by Shore and therefore if will not be appearing in any of these sets.

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maybe,but what's with the 110?

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There were 110 recording sessions for The Return of the King (including the Extended Edition material).<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

:eek!: 110 Recording sessions! That's ALOT!
I knew the recording sessions were huge but not that they were so huge.
And who would even like to get all that material? (oh yeah sorry I asked )

And are we again nit picking about the name of these sets? I really do not think the Complete Recordings title is that misleading to us fans.
I do not think the casual buyers are expecting "Miles Davis complete recording sessions tapes" type of affair when they buy this set. I think it is fairly obvious what the set is going to contain if they bother to look at the back and see the track titles.

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Originally posted by Incanus:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Jim Ware:
[b] <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>maybe,but what's with the 110?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

There were 110 recording sessions for The Return of the King (including the Extended Edition material).<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

110 Recording sessions! That's ALOT!
I knew the recording sessions were huge but not that they were so huge.
And who would even like to get all that material? (oh yeah sorry I asked )

And are we again nit picking about the name of these sets? I really do not think the Complete Recordings title is that misleading to us fans.
I do not think the casual buyers are expecting "Miles Davis complete recording sessions tapes" type of affair when they buy this set. I think it is fairly obvious what the set is going to contain if they bother to look at the back and see the track titles.

[Message edited by Incanus on 04-22-2006][/B]

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Originally posted by MJC:
I tried to think of the amount of footage and the packaging for the TT but I stopped after a bit...it's all speculation at this point. My guess would be 4 cd's and 2 DVD Audio's but that's just a guess.

Maybe Doug can you let us know approximately what percentage complete the TT project is current in...40% done 60% done? Just curious

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According to my lists of the music timings of the EE of T2T, three CDs should suffice; however, with un-used music being put back into it, I'm not entirely sure.

As for the DVD...beats me, because I can't listen to it anyways.

It’s kind of hard to pin it down like that. Essentially, the whole thing is assembled in rough form, then combed over draft by draft, each pass refining what’s there. It’s the rock tumbler approach. So that’s where TTT is right now. It’s all assembled—essentially—it’s just being tweaked. I afraid I really don’t have any way to estimate a percentage, because no one knows they’ve hit the final pass until they’ve actually hit it.

That doesn’t mean that this is turning into an interminable Eyes Wide Shut production, though. It’ll still make its release date quite easily.

As for disc counts, I shouldn’t comment on that yet. But here are some random facts…

The DVD cut of TTT is 223 minutes.

The score, even including some unforeseen goodies, still runs a bit under that.

Standard CD capacity = 80 minutes… give or take.

223 / 3 = 74.33

Math is our friend.

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Originally posted by Doug Adams:
As for the mystery White Rider (In Nature) and just what it may be, you’ll have to hang on for right now. There are certainly clues on the one disc OST, just look for what seems to be out of place, but is not.

That’s all I’ll say right now.

-Doug

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Right, after some quick listening...would the choral passage (unused) in #2, The Taming of Sméagol, fit the bill?

I have some other candidates:

-#6, The King of the Golden Hall, the choral bit at the end, although that's probably connected as a eulogy for Théoden's son.

-#9, The White Rider, has what should be an alternate for the Shadowfax piece that ended up in the film.

-#16, Forth Eorlingas. The obvious, the choir at the start of the track. Olorin's Theme? I am very interested what this bit was first conceived for. In the film, you hear maybe 20 seconds of it. Also, the sheet music shows some nifty stuff going on down in the bass-line...and of the course the end of the track, with those ubiquitous little 'v'-shape motifs...

My thoughts, to be dissected soon...

CK
It's a bit difficult, although fun...

I think it is the White Rider piece. I say this because on the ROTK video game your first mission is playing Gandalf at the battle of Helm's Deep. After you have completed the mission it plays a cut scene (game, not movie) part with that music as Gandalf stands victorious (or something like that, I don't have the game anymore but I do remember that music playing).

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Also, the sheet music shows some nifty stuff going on down in the bass-line...and of the course the end of the track, with those ubiquitous little 'v'-shape motifs

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Originally posted by Shire Bagginz:
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Sorry, just talking about the piano version here. I'd love to get a look of some piece of complete sheet music of LotR, but well, I guess that's no-go.

CK
Just wondering whether you were talking about actual orchestral sheet music from the movie, or the piano reductions. If you are talking about orchestral sheet music I would very much like to know how and where you attained it, because I would love to have it. [/B]

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