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macuser8403 Standard Userer	i was jsut saying you were thanking wbr and your possie well i waas just saying you can thank amazon too anyways...
posted 09-02-2007 02:23 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: MacUser, it's the same info I posted....seems a bit redundant. lol Brian stop being such a diva. They are track titles for crying out loud, who cares. Your most was infinitly more unnecessary that MacUser's. MacUser, thanks for posting the Amazon.com link. [Message edited by Jeron on 09-02-2007]
posted 09-02-2007 03:18 AM PT (US)

darthmaul1 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: I missed the boat on "Predator." But I would have tossed out the cash at the time had I been able. If something is limited and you want it, just buy it, don't make the issue of downloading illegal music worse. Yeah, go get all mad because the record company didn't so what YOU think they should do. Seriously, the guys at WBR, Sony, Uni, BMG, EMI...they can do what they want and they will. And as a consumer, you're the record companies bitch. You know, you complain a lot. Just be happy about it that we're getting a "Trans" disc period. And you'd be surprised how dumb people are when it comes to music. --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 09-02-2007] I am very thrilled that the score is finally coming out and I will be the first one at the store to get it. If I had been able to go out and buy the Predator score, i definatly would of but there were only 3000 copies released and they never showed up here. and any way in Canada it's not Illegal to download music, I think a judge here said with the current media with computers, internet, and burners that it is the same as a library having a photocopier, it's still in violation of copyright, but everyone does it. I think the music industry is skewing their numbers about how much they are losing, and it is easy to blame the downloaders. Let's face it if a fan of the group or composer/movie score is really a fan then they will go and buy it if it's avalible. Chances are if they do just download it then they are not a fan and would have no intetion of buying it anyway. Revenge of the Sith score came out on the internet 1 month before it was suppose to, I downloaded it and then when it came out in store I went and bouth it that day.
posted 09-02-2007 09:46 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Jeron, I was posting the information so that people could see it, how is that "infinitly more unnecessary?" I don't see the point for adding a second link if it's got the same information they already have in the post above, it doesn't make sense. --Brian
posted 09-02-2007 12:09 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Idiotuser...sorry Macuser likes to post duplicate info that people have all ready posted. He's very annoying... BTW Brian I ponied up for Predator a year after it was released and got a sealed copy for $150. Well worth the price in my opinion.
posted 09-02-2007 12:39 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Hey now Big T, no need to call someone an idiot, that's out of line. I just said its redundant. Anyway, lets move on shall we? --Brian
posted 09-02-2007 01:23 PM PT (US)

macuser8403 Standard Userer	thank you crono! i was just posting the link so that new comers would also know where to go to not only pre-order a copy of it but also to see the cover and lsiting!
posted 09-02-2007 01:56 PM PT (US)

darthmaul1 Standard Userer	I think the reason macuser posted the tracks as well, was to show that there is a legit site that has them (amazon) The other post only showed the tracks and possibly where they came from, but no proof of its ethencicity with no link. Anyone could just put what ever track names they wanted to have fun.
posted 09-02-2007 01:56 PM PT (US)

macuser8403 Standard Userer	thank you darthmaul that is also correct!
posted 09-02-2007 02:24 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Not to sound snobby, but I've been apart of this community (Buzz and MM) for over a decade now. When I post info, like tracks, it's usually accurate. --Brian
posted 09-02-2007 04:42 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by darthmaul1: [...]and any way in Canada it's not Illegal to download music, I think a judge here said with the current media with computers, internet, and burners that it is the same as a library having a photocopier, it's still in violation of copyright, but everyone does it. I think the music industry is skewing their numbers about how much they are losing, and it is easy to blame the downloaders. Let's face it if a fan of the group or composer/movie score is really a fan then they will go and buy it if it's avalible. Chances are if they do just download it then they are not a fan and would have no intetion of buying it anyway. Revenge of the Sith score came out on the internet 1 month before it was suppose to, I downloaded it and then when it came out in store I went and bouth it that day. Funny you should bring up Canada and illegal downloading in a thread about a Warner Bros. product.
posted 09-02-2007 04:55 PM PT (US)

darthmaul1 Standard Userer	Funny you should bring up Canada and illegal downloading in a thread about a Warner Bros. product.[/B][/QUOTE] I think maybe what you are refering to are the movie releases being pirated, which is no biggy and the companies once again have blown the number out of proportion. Their movies are still making alot of money and the theaters are still full. Let's face it if someone is satisfied with watching a crappy version of a movie instead of going to the theater, then they would not have any intention of going to see the movie in the first place. I saw transformers in the theater and then downloaded a not to bad of a copy that is watchable (most are not) but when the DVD is released i will definatly buy it. If the studios are getting pissed a piracey they may as well go after Blockbuster and other video stores cause they are not getting their full dollar if people had to buy them instead of rent. They should also go after Libraries cause for 10 bucks a year you can get as many movies as you want, there is a big loss of money.
posted 09-02-2007 06:16 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by BigT1981: BTW Brian I ponied up for Predator a year after it was released and got a sealed copy for $150. Well worth the price in my opinion.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Trent! That's crazy! I got a lossless version from a friend of mine in the States for free! It was worth it to get it for free, but my friend and I are pretty generous in sharing rare scores with one another, so maybe that makes a difference. Of course, I'd like to own it with cover art and all that but oh well, couldn't afford it at the time. Stoked about that tracklisiting for Transformers, thanks Brian! I pr-ordered mine when I first saw the link for it, so I'm secure. [Message edited by sean on 09-02-2007]
posted 09-02-2007 11:03 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: I think the music industry is skewing their numbers about how much they are losing, and it is easy to blame the downloaders. Let's face it if a fan of the group or composer/movie score is really a fan then they will go and buy it if it's avalible. Chances are if they do just download it then they are not a fan and would have no intetion of buying it anyway. My way of thinking. You can't whine about losing money when the proper products aren't offered in the first place. The perfect example is Spider-Man 3. You can't keep a score like that in your dungeons, with the official announcement that the song album already made more than enough money, hold back the release of the composer's maybe most important score of his carreer, and bitch afterwards that the fans turn to "illegal" methods. Is this the newest attitude of record companies? Let's see if people scream loud enough? The whole concept is utterly schizophrenic. You can tape any given song or show broadcasted through radio or TV, and yet it is forbidden to download songs or movies from the web. And I think there are tons of downloading people who would buy scores if they were offered in good quality for a fair price on the web. I'm well aware of iTunes, but their sound quality just doesn't hold up; not to a CD anyway. And aren't film score fans also people who generally pay more attention to the sound quality?
posted 09-03-2007 04:25 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	I agree with the 128 iTunes stuff. It's generally blah, but for all their EMI stuff, they offer a 256 AAC for $1.30, which is a good deal I think. At least the guys at Direct Song know what's up. 320kbs Jeremy Soule CDs for 9.99...can't beat that. --Brian
posted 09-03-2007 04:43 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: It's generally blah, but for all their EMI stuff, they offer a 256 AAC for $1.30, which is a good deal I think. Right. Except there's a whole bunch of EMI albums that if you buy the 256kbps (but still compressed) download, you pay 10$. If you buy the actual EMI CD, it's 7$... The Magic of idioTunes in all its glory.
posted 09-03-2007 05:53 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Dinky This is why I buy the pressed CDs The only stuff I have that's iTunes is a few songs and like a score CD or two because it was an iTunes only. Mark's Snow's "Millennium" is one of those. --Bri
posted 09-03-2007 05:58 PM PT (US)

darthmaul1 Standard Userer	quote: My way of thinking. You can't whine about losing money when the proper products aren't offered in the first place. The perfect example is Spider-Man 3. You can't keep a score like that in your dungeons, with the official announcement that the song album already made more than enough money, hold back the release of the composer's maybe most important score of his carreer, and bitch afterwards that the fans turn to "illegal" methods. Is this the newest attitude of record companies? Let's see if people scream loud enough? The whole concept is utterly schizophrenic. You can tape any given song or show broadcasted through radio or TV, and yet it is forbidden to download songs or movies from the web. And I think there are tons of downloading people who would buy scores if they were offered in good quality for a fair price on the web. I'm well aware of iTunes, but their sound quality just doesn't hold up; not to a CD anyway. And aren't film score fans also people who generally pay more attention to the sound quality? Finally someone agrees with me, I also don't understand why the companies especially FOX have a problem with web sites having sound and video clips on them. if you had to pay for them then I could see it but they are free and shown on TV for free. and if you are downloading the actual show from a torrent site they look at that as illegal too, but again it was on the TV for free.
posted 09-03-2007 07:55 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	My supplier says this score CD has now been canceled from the catalog. I am trying to get to the bottom of this... if it's true, I would only hope it means that rumored expanded release would be available, because there's no way in hell a label would cancel this because the sales are too good. For whatever it's worth, I only have a few dozen left. And then no more for this particular version. http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/transformers2007-score
posted 12-19-2007 11:39 PM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	Perhaps those "good sales" where people thinking its was the song album with better artwork.
posted 12-20-2007 12:42 AM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Well hopefully if it is canceled the expanded score will be released. I would gladly buy a legit version of the expanded score and toss my bootleg version out.
posted 12-20-2007 01:40 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Is this one good? I saw it in the film and it was enjoyable but seemed like mostly Rabin/Zimmer rehash. I've heard a classmate rave about it...but he also raves about 300, so I wasn't sure. I probably won't lose sleep if it sells out before I can get one, but I know this was a title in demand before the score album came out...hmm.
posted 12-21-2007 08:48 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	IMO, this score really define the word "underscore" cause that what it does most of the time. Pulsing away into insignificance. Armageddon was a superior score because of this, as melodic music that works both role, as underscore and standalone. Beside from a few standout moments, it's mostly forgettable. Soccent attack and Scorponok and, to some extent, Arrival To Earth are the few cues that I listen to from time to time and that's pretty much it. I have all the music from Transformers (minus that excruciatingly short chase cue) and I only listen to about 4-5 track out of 52 track..... That's kinda lame. [Message edited by HadrianD on 12-21-2007]
posted 12-21-2007 09:28 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	Some other standout cues include the Decepticon music.
posted 12-21-2007 09:37 AM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	The bootleg is not that listenable as there are instruments and themes missing. So it's just droning and percussion. The actual legit CD release is much, much better as they have themes placed over the droning and percussion. It's a much more professional and listenable album than the bootleg. I just ordered my copy. I hadn't ordered one yet because I thought maybe it'd pop up in some store, but after looking at multiple Borders, Barnes & Nobles, Best Buys, Circuit Citys, Targets, Wal*Marts and other places, I have given up searching and decided to buy it from Peter which I should've done in the first place.
posted 12-21-2007 10:51 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by tjguitar: Is this one good? I saw it in the film and it was enjoyable but seemed like mostly Rabin/Zimmer rehash. I've heard a classmate rave about it...but he also raves about 300, so I wasn't sure. "Rabin/Zimmer rehash": That about sums it up. There's NOTHING to the Transformers score that hasn't been done before. For example, "Optimus" is an amalgam of several different themes we've heard before: Specifically, Armageddon and Hans Zimmer's Maximus theme from Gladiator. I wouldn't trust anyone who "raves" about 300. That makes them untrustworthy. HA! I have fun listening to this score, and as a listening experience the actual CD release is far superior to the complete tracks floating around; it's just better produced and more fulfilling thematically, like Hadrian points out. That said, on more serious ground, this score is nothing short of a rehash, rip-off, been-there-done-that-10-years-ago!, I-love-Hans-Zimmer-and-here's-why, kind-of score.
posted 12-21-2007 11:58 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by scoreguy16: The bootleg is not that listenable as there are instruments and themes missing. So it's just droning and percussion. The actual legit CD release is much, much better as they have themes placed over the droning and percussion. It's a much more professional and listenable album than the bootleg. I just ordered my copy. I hadn't ordered one yet because I thought maybe it'd pop up in some store, but after looking at multiple Borders, Barnes & Nobles, Best Buys, Circuit Citys, Targets, Wal*Marts and other places, I have given up searching and decided to buy it from Peter which I should've done in the first place. I have all version of the score and I still find only 4-5 tracks that I like.
posted 12-21-2007 04:54 PM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	Any updates on this PeterK? Is Transformers offically canceled?
posted 12-22-2007 09:08 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by TimT: Any updates on this PeterK? Is Transformers offically canceled? Tim, the score's been out for a while now. http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/transformers2007-score
posted 12-22-2007 10:24 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Nuts look up at Peter's post which he posted on the 17th of this month, he stated that according to one of his suppliers that the score has been canceled. Peter also said he'd find out more info on it. I'm sure Tim is aware that it's been out for a while. Peter even said that he only has a few dozen copies left.
posted 12-22-2007 10:31 PM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	LOL, Yeah my question was in response to PeterK's most recent post. The Transformers CD may now be out of print, and I was just looking for confirmation. [Message edited by TimT on 12-23-2007]
posted 12-23-2007 01:16 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I've not tried to find any confirmation... perhaps someone else can look into it. The rep with my supplier confirmed the label cancelled the title... whatever that means. I was only caught by surprise, as this sort of thing doesn't happen simply by accident. If in the next month or so Amazon and other retailers no longer carry it, there's your confirmation...
posted 12-26-2007 10:24 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Officially gone now. I think a few copies remain here and there, but that's it for this one....
posted 01-24-2008 09:16 PM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	A rather short life span, but the release was appreciated none the less.
posted 01-24-2008 09:57 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	That's ready dumb IMO. --Brian NP: The Italian Job
posted 01-24-2008 11:50 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	Anyone wants to buy my copy? Haven't listened to it.
posted 01-25-2008 12:07 AM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by TimT: A rather short life span, but the release was appreciated none the less. And it was a quality release as well. A lot of time went into this CD (obviously) and the final product was fantastic. It's to bad it went OOP so fast...
posted 01-25-2008 11:43 AM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	So I wonder if they will actually release the complete score for it or not. Speaking of which I am listening to the expanded bootleg as I currently type this post. This score has really grown on me a lot and I for one throughly enjoy it.
posted 01-25-2008 06:04 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by BigT1981: So I wonder if they will actually release the complete score for it or not. Speaking of which I am listening to the expanded bootleg as I currently type this post. This score has really grown on me a lot and I for one throughly enjoy it. I doubt they will. For one, this CD already represents the majority of the music that was in the film (and then some). And two, which is the real reason I came to this conclusion, look that the release of 300. Even though this exact same record company released a huge deluxe complete version of the score, they kept the original CD in print as well. Maybe someday down the road they'll be like "hey, this CD was rare and caused a lot of hype! Lets do a big huge deluxe box set with artwork and awesome notes from Steve Jablonsky!!" But for now, I think it's "just" the CD that's out. But I am only guessing. And by "just," I mean this CD that actually represents the music much, MUCH better than the film does.
posted 01-26-2008 02:27 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	There's actually quite a bit of music missing from the score. If you have the expanded bootleg you'd see what I was talking about. They could easily release a complete 2-CD with alternates.
posted 01-26-2008 07:59 PM PT (US)

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