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DjC Standard Userer	I was just wondering, out of the Indiana Jones movies, which one has the best score, they are all good, but which one is the best in your opinion?????
posted 03-07-2000 09:07 PM PT (US)

Wedge Standard Userer	"Temple of Doom," NO CONTEST! Well, okay, some contest, but in my mind the answer is clear. Despite it's miserable soundtrack representation, it is one of Williams' most intense, complex and mature scores -- possibly the best action/adventure score ever written. "Raiders" is very, very good. "Last Crusade" is fun (its plethora of themes and infectious mickey-mousing make it a fan-favorite) but "Temple" is the all-around winner. With so many MAGNIFICENT unavailable cues, I think the inevitable expanded score release will bear this out.
posted 03-07-2000 09:19 PM PT (US)

Mark Hatfield Standard Userer	TEMPLE OF DOOM. With all of the expanded editions released (and on the horizon), it is almost criminal that this one is still only available in its current, truncated state (and an import, at that!). God, they are all so good.....RAIDERS is easily my favorite movie of all time, and the score is wonderful. Yet TOD holds to the John Williams Sequel Syndrome - surpassing even the original (see also JAWS 2, THE LOST WORLD, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, etc.). NP: RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK 5/5* Honestly!
posted 03-07-2000 09:21 PM PT (US)

Mark Hatfield Standard Userer	Jeez, Wedge..... We must have been typing at the same time! I honestly did not know you were saying exactly the same thing at exactly the same time; would've saved myself the trouble. They say great minds think alike. Apparently, WE do too....... See ya in June, man.
posted 03-07-2000 09:25 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Standard Userer	Hey brothers, I think TEMPLE OF DOOM is the LEAST effective of the three, although that might be a factor of growing up with the album, which I think IS NOT a very good representation of ANY kind of score. Never did hear the expanded version.
posted 03-07-2000 10:34 PM PT (US)

Wedge Standard Userer	Have you watched the film recently? With the new widescreen release, I took the time to give things a good listen. While the score is hardly an "effective" ablum by soundtrack standards, I could go on for PAGES how effective it is in the film. Perhaps someday I will.
posted 03-07-2000 11:00 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Standard Userer	Whoa! I guess I misspoke a bit. I actually think TEMPLE OF DOOM is a GREAT movie -- I certainly liked it more than RAIDERS (which always has left me cold -- sorry, people) -- but my favorite of the bunch, filmwise, and perhaps musicwise, is certainly THE LAST CRUSADE. Perhaps you will indeed go on for pages, Sir Wedge -- I myself have gone on for pages about less respected pictures. Mea culpa, Wedge, but I still have not read your HOOK piece because I still have not made time for it. Please don't take it all personal ('ey look, my very best Brooklyn Construction Site! someone take a picture -- aaah, this's the Net, it's all virtual anyways) (YOU try throwing Xmas trees around for a living)
posted 03-07-2000 11:54 PM PT (US)

Audacity Standard Userer	I think Temple of Doom is the best movie and score. I hope we will indeed see a complete score to this, and the other two movies for that matter. Audacity
posted 03-08-2000 07:34 AM PT (US)

Wedge Standard Userer	Don't worry, Mr. Rocco, the article will wait. But while we're on the subject, it will wait at http://johnwilliams.cjb.net//hook.htm since Befan had to change the URL. Thanks! BTW, I found it humorous how "Temple of Doom" is my personal fave of the trilogy, how it got the best critical reviews, yet STILL seems to have a bad rep with the general public. At least, that's been my experience. It's taken a loooong time for some of my more prejudiced friends to warm up to it. It's probably all backlash from that whole PG-13 fiasco. (shrugs)
posted 03-08-2000 09:19 AM PT (US)

robin4 Standard Userer	For me, Last Crusade is best moviewise and scorewise. However, it is hard to choose for all three are excellent, among the best ever, easily.
posted 03-08-2000 07:31 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Standard Userer	I might as well throw my two cents in...... Although there are wonderful things in all these movies, I think the first one is the real special one of the three---plus it's the one that originated the whole concept. Later films might be able to do better but they also get to ride on previous creativity I would say as much for the score to Raiders--the Raiders March and Desert Chase are amazing cues--and the whole concept of this heroic/slightly parodistic score is inventive. But somehow as a listening experience, I actually prefer Temple of Doom--I like the new themes more. NP: Doctor Zhivago
posted 03-09-2000 02:45 AM PT (US)

Thor Standard Userer	RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. The best action adventure score ever written (and yes, I've heard WIND AND THE LION). Ranging from lively scherzos to heroic marches to a beautifully clich�ed love theme to intense action complexity ("Desert Chase") to ethnic coloring, and last but not least - Williams ubiquitous "religious tone" ("Map Room: Dawn"). "Only the Penitant Will Pass" from LAST CRUSADE is superb in that religious vein too, but overall RAIDERS takes home the prize. For a brief article on Williams' "religious" music: http://home.sol.no/~oeyste/williams.htm
posted 03-09-2000 08:55 AM PT (US)

Andre Lux unregistered	Altough he will wish to kill himself, I second what my good friend Thor wrote above... RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK is one of the best scores of all times. Not saying the sequels aren't good, but the doesn't come even near the first one...
posted 03-09-2000 12:20 PM PT (US)

Pete M Standard Userer	Personally, I prefer Last Crusade - I think Raiders is a little too reliant on Indy's Fanfare. I'm not sure about ToD, since I haven't seen the film for a while, but I have just bought the widescreen box set, so it's just a matter of time... np Nothing
posted 03-10-2000 05:10 AM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Standard Userer	I am in the Raiders camp myself. Dan (UK) NP: The Green Mile (***/***)
posted 03-10-2000 06:34 AM PT (US)

H Rocco Standard Userer	I guess I favor LAST CRUSADE for two reasons: the noble "Grail" music, and one of my all-time favorite action cues, "Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra." NP: THE BLUE MAX (source cues now)
posted 03-12-2000 08:24 PM PT (US)

Scott Standard Userer	Raiders baby, Raiders. Scott
posted 03-17-2000 08:09 AM PT (US)

SEBULBA Standard Userer	Well, I really like Temple Of Doom a lot, but I think for me it would be... Raiders Temple Last Crusade
posted 03-17-2000 08:40 AM PT (US)

Ron Pulliam Standard Userer	The Last Crusade, hands down! Love that opening to Temple of Doom....Williams can really adapt a stage tune!
posted 03-24-2000 11:19 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Oohhh, a few tracks we've not seen before: http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/raidersofthelostark-rmst Pre-order link will be up soon...
posted 09-03-2008 01:48 PM PT (US)

Widescreen Standard Userer	Awww, hells yeah! I hope it has the same or better liner notes! Now, my question is - where's the box set that this belongs to? Update: a reliable source answered that above question. [Message edited by Widescreen on 09-03-2008]
posted 09-03-2008 02:44 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Peter, I love how you dig up these old posts I agree Chris, I'd rather just get the box set rather one by one...and let's hope they are in jewel cases... --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 09-03-2008]
posted 09-03-2008 03:01 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Widescreen: Awww, hells yeah! I hope it has the same or better liner notes! Now, my question is - where's the box set that this belongs to? Update: a reliable source answered that above question. [Message edited by Widescreen on 09-03-2008] link?
posted 09-03-2008 03:08 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	The label is sending out this paragraph: quote: Indiana Jones: The Complete Soundtracks Collection For the first time ever all four Indiana Jones soundtrack albums are available in this limited edition collectible CD boxed set! Included are expanded and remastered versions of Raiders of the Lost Ark, and exclusive to this set: Indiana Jones & The Temple Doom, and Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade. This set also includes the Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull soundtrack plus a bonus interview CD with composer John Williams on the making of this historic music. Housed in a handsome embossed slip case and presented with a full color booklet, this set reintroduces the iconic original Indiana Jones film scores by Oscar-winning composer John Williams - out of print since 1995! A must for fans and collectors alike, all will rejoice in having all these soundtracks presented together expanded with previously unreleased music - along with this summer's blockbuster Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull available together for the very first time. Relive the musical adventure today!
posted 09-03-2008 03:12 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	And the box set release is set for Nov 11...
posted 09-03-2008 03:13 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	So the expanded Temple & Crusade will ONLY be available in a BOX? Or they won't be expanded at all. Either my reading comprehension is poor, or they could have used another proof reading.... (any MSRP on the box?)
posted 09-03-2008 03:15 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Sweet! Let's hope they are housed in jewel cases. And TJ, that's what it reads like. --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 09-03-2008]
posted 09-03-2008 03:29 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Yeah. Jewel Cases is ideal. (Probably those Quad's like the Blue Box?)
posted 09-03-2008 03:33 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Doom and Crusade will be available individually too, from what I understand on Nov 11 as well, but the unofficial word was unclear to be definitive to me. But you guys just said you don't want to buy it individually, so do you really care? New Raiders now up @ 11.99 http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/raidersofthelostark-rmst Have fun!
posted 09-03-2008 03:58 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	So I'd like to get this box because... oh man I am so gonna get yelled at for this... I don't own any Indiana Jones scores... Yeah..... So I'd actually really like to get this box set.
posted 09-03-2008 04:04 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	That's a great price point for Radiers. Maybe the box set will be a decent price too. --Brian
posted 09-03-2008 04:14 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: Doom and Crusade will be available individually too, from what I understand on Nov 11 as well, but the unofficial word was unclear to be definitive to me. But you guys just said you don't want to buy it individually, so do you really care? New Raiders now up @ 11.99 http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/raidersofthelostark-rmst Have fun! I might prefer them individually depending on the packaging. I guess i'm weird like that. Although the bonus Williams interview disc sounds interesting.
posted 09-03-2008 04:22 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	I'm gonna guess that the packaging on all them, I bet is the same, box set or no box set. --Brian
posted 09-03-2008 04:25 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Price is also a consideration. I'd imagine that the box would either A.) discounted because its a box or B.) more expensive because of exclusive bonus stuff.
posted 09-03-2008 04:31 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Either way I'm still buying the whole set. I held off getting KOTCS cause of this and after seeing the horrible digipack for it in person I about puked. Bring on this set!
posted 09-03-2008 04:45 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	You watch Trent, just to bother you (and everyone else) it will all be digipacks As for my copy of "KOTCS" I'll just give ti to my dad LOL. --Bri [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 09-03-2008]
posted 09-03-2008 04:53 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	If they're all digipacks I'll be pissed. Hopefully they're all in jeweled cases. Digipacks suck.
posted 09-03-2008 05:32 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	We'll still buy it, though?
posted 09-03-2008 05:39 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	That was about f*cking time! I never understood the hatred towards digipacks; I like them, they look nice.
posted 09-03-2008 05:53 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Digipacks are very flimsy compared to actual jeweled cases. Jeweled cases can be easily replaced, digipacks can't if they get damaged. Plus digipacks just look f'ing ugly. [Message edited by BigT1981 on 09-03-2008]
posted 09-03-2008 06:03 PM PT (US)

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