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BattleToTheEnd
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Gorbag:
So far I've only heard some of the samples from Barnes and Noble but my only gripe is The Green Dragon; I've got no problems with the nature of it, but I really think they should have gone with the 'clean' theatrical edition, rather than the EE version with Pippin's lapse. I think that serves a more dramatic purpose, given the nature of the scene, and I'm not sure if it really works in purely musical form. Any of you guys think the same?[Message edited by Gorbag on 10-20-2007]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
I feel that Billy and Dom's voices should have been louder and out played the instrument. Like the way they did with the Hobbit Drinking Song in FOTR. But Green Dragon Beer is also a song performed by Plan 9 so Im sure they wanted their music heard as well.
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posted 10-20-2007 11:04 AM PT (US) Magpie
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lol... looking at me only rarely works. I didn't think I had any burning questions but then, after a spate of emails from LOTR score fans this last week, a couple came to me. But in calling the number I hear you want ROTK questions and you want them 'concise'. I am rarely concise. I have long, philosophical questions. But, I'd already dialed the number and incurred the long distance charge so I left one.... not ROTK related, I'm afraid, so I won't be surprised if it doesn't make the podcast.
Originally posted by Doug Adams:
keep those questions coming in to the Podcast, they’ve been outstanding so far! I’d still love to hear from more of you… Magpie, I’m looking at you!
We should be up and running around early November.773.840.7470
For what it's worth, I think I threw some of those longer-winded questions at you in a past thread as something I would like to see addressed in your book.
posted 10-20-2007 11:56 AM PT (US) Strider1002
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Gorbag:
So far I've only heard some of the samples from Barnes and Noble but my only gripe is The Green Dragon; I've got no problems with the nature of it, but I really think they should have gone with the 'clean' theatrical edition, rather than the EE version with Pippin's lapse. I think that serves a more dramatic purpose, given the nature of the scene, and I'm not sure if it really works in purely musical form. Any of you guys think the same?[Message edited by Gorbag on 10-20-2007]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was hoping they'd use the "Pippin's lapse" version. Not sure why...
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posted 10-20-2007 02:55 PM PT (US) Gorbag
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by gkgyver:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>For those who have listened to the Osgiliath Invaded: What music does that track contain exactly?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>As he said, everything concerning Osgiliath.
Here's a breakdown:
0:00- 3:30 features the first part of the Osgiliath invasion as heard on the Extended Edition; at this point, the film cuts to Pippin climbing the beacon tower, the CR however, from
3:30- 3:40 has an unused bridge that culminates from
3:40- 4:03 in a glorious statement of the Fellowship theme and the Gondor theme, as Gandalf hastes to Gondor.
4:04- 5:10 is the second part of the Osgiliath battle (after the Rohirrim leave Edoras), featuring numerous unused bits.
5:11- 6:25 is the Nazgul attack and Faramir's troops fleeing.
6:25- 6:42 Gandalf arrives at Minas Tirith accompanied by the same fanfare heard in the film.
6:43- ca. 7:00 is unused music that accompanies Gandalf noticing the trouble.
7:00- end plays as heard in the film.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>Hi gkgyver,
Just a quick question, not having heard any of the tracks yet; when you say:3:40- 4:03 in a glorious statement of the Fellowship theme and the Gondor theme, as Gandalf hastes to Gondor.
I take it this is the music that plays in the film as Gandalf rides with Pippin and crosses into Gondor, culminating in when he sees Minas Tirith? Only, the thing is, I really liked how that was placed in the film, coming just after the forging of Anduril; I thought the music flowed very well. Does the aforementioned piece of music appear again in this format do you know, only Doug mentioned getting both and hopefully this is what he meant? Thanks in advance.
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posted 10-20-2007 04:00 PM PT (US) Strider1002
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Oh, can anyone tell me what version of Aragorn fighting at the Pelennor Fields is in the CR? The theatrical version where it's just him with the Gondor theme, or the EE version intercut with Eowyn and Gothmog?
I'm hoping for the theatrical as it uses such a grand, uninterrupted statement of the Gondor theme, but the EE seems to be the standard in the CR...
posted 10-20-2007 04:23 PM PT (US) Sabsi
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I take it this is the music that plays in the film as Gandalf rides with Pippin and crosses into Gondor, culminating in when he sees Minas Tirith? Only, the thing is, I really liked how that was placed in the film, coming just after the forging of Anduril; I thought the music flowed very well. Does the aforementioned piece of music appear again in this format do you know, only Doug mentioned getting both and hopefully this is what he meant? Thanks in advance.Don't worry, you'll get that
The music mentioned by you is part of 'The Grace of Undómiel'.
Everything is there, right after the reforging of Andúril: Gandalf & Pippin crossing into Gondor, seeing Minas Tirith, riding up to the 7th level and Pippin recognizing the White Tree.
Brilliant track, btw. (Hm... I'm saying this about every track I heard...)-Sabsi
posted 10-20-2007 05:23 PM PT (US) Gorbag
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Thanks Sabsi, I must say that is a relief. Is the music referred to by gkgyver then not the same? Or is it just used twice in the score? Not that I have a problem with that mind![Message edited by Gorbag on 10-21-2007]
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posted 10-21-2007 03:46 AM PT (US) Sid2000
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www.scorenotes.com/
has a Suite! (of course, poor streaming quality) posted 10-21-2007 05:06 AM PT (US) Thorf
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Cool. It starts off with 4-03 The Eagles, then goes back to 3-04 The Battle of the Pelennor Fields. Next up is 3-16 "For Frodo" (starting off with the choral Fellowship theme), and it finishes off with 4-08 Bilbo's Song.It's a nice way to listen to four full tracks, and they did make a good choice for their "suite", as these are all great tracks which go well together.
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posted 10-21-2007 06:26 AM PT (US) soundtrackmaster
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Sid2000:
www.scorenotes.com/
has a Suite! (of course, poor streaming quality)<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>Hello Sid,
I have not been here for awhile. But I followed this thread the whole time. Fortunatelly we can here these bits and pieces of the score.
I do not agree it is a a bad streaming quality. If anyone wants the music file. pls let me know ( about 10 MB).
- soundtrackmaster at freenet dot de -Will send it asap.
[Message edited by soundtrackmaster on 10-21-2007]
posted 10-21-2007 10:07 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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Thanks Sabsi, I must say that is a relief. Is the music referred to by gkgyver then not the same? Or is it just used twice in the score? Not that I have a problem with that mind!Well, "Osgiliath Invaded" is a completely different recording. The Osgiliath battle was intercut with Gandalf riding to Minas Tirith, so the music for that is a different recording, and not the one in the current film. Plus, the orchestration is different.
posted 10-21-2007 11:24 AM PT (US) Ge0rge
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Hooray! B&N has published the clips for all the tracks! I don't believe this is happening - do you remember when this thread was just born and the whole CRs project was a kind of rumour? This is awesome!
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&ean=93624996910
posted 10-21-2007 12:06 PM PT (US) Olorin
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Originally posted by Ge0rge:
Hooray! B&N has published the clips for all the tracks! I don't believe this is happening - do you remember when this thread was just born and the whole CRs project was a kind of rumour? This is awesome!
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&ean=93624996910Hmmm, it is the EE version of the "Green Dragon," where Pippin falters when he sees Gandalf.
posted 10-21-2007 02:52 PM PT (US) vdemona
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I'm really glad that Barnes and Noble put out previews for all of the tracks for the CR but 30 second previews are so frustrating right now!It's like sitting down to a delicious slice of cheese cake, taking one bite and then having someone come up and snatch it and run off!
posted 10-21-2007 03:53 PM PT (US) Sabsi
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Barnes & Noble - Editorial Review:
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The set also features extensive new artwork and packaging with a 48-page book of extensive liner notes by Doug Adams taken from the 2006 publication The Music of the Lord of the Rings FilmsDid I miss something??? *uh-oh*
-Sabsi
posted 10-21-2007 04:02 PM PT (US) NeoVoyager
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No, you didn't. As far as I remember, it was originally slated to be released in 2006. It also says this in the liner notes for the FotR and TTT sets.Obviously, plans changed.
posted 10-21-2007 05:29 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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Yeah.
Probably when someone stumbled over a goldmine in New Line's archives
posted 10-21-2007 06:34 PM PT (US) NeoVoyager
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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Yeah.
Probably when someone stumbled over a goldmine in New Line's archivesHuh??
posted 10-21-2007 08:40 PM PT (US) Thorf
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I think he's referring to Doug finding all the unused and/or rejected material, Neo. From Doug's comments over the past couple of years it does seem like his discoveries have been somewhat of an ongoing thing.I seem to remember him saying something along the lines that there are hours upon hours of recordings, and it takes rather a long time to sort through them.
posted 10-21-2007 09:14 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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That's what I meant, yes.
posted 10-22-2007 11:03 AM PT (US) orbital
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Thanks for that one - great!
Originally posted by Sid2000:
www.scorenotes.com/
has a Suite! (of course, poor streaming quality) posted 10-22-2007 11:52 AM PT (US) Ralo
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Update on LotR-concert in Stockholm, Sweden: Tickets will become available on October 25th at 11.00 (Swedish time, we are 1+ hour from Britain, don't know what that timezone is called).
This is not entirely confirmed yet, I think the swedish website will update it more correctly very soon. For now the information can be reached only through Howard Shores official website.[Message edited by Ralo on 10-22-2007]
posted 10-22-2007 01:09 PM PT (US) Sabsi
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Thanks for the update, Ralo
can't wait to hear another symphony - and see Maestro Shore conduct of course
posted 10-22-2007 02:01 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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I believe the unused portion of "The Last Debate" was written for an unused Eowyn/Faramir scene. I hear Eowyn's Theme on french horn.
posted 10-22-2007 02:20 PM PT (US) Strider1002
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I've always wondered how difficult it must have been for them to choose what went on the OST from all this material. Now I see the answer: very.
posted 10-22-2007 09:54 PM PT (US) ruckus
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I came across another short clip on youtube of recording sessions at Abbey Road. Anyone know where this is from?quote:
Originally posted by Magpie:
...So, I present, Howard Shore and his All Nurse Band: ...Thanks for that Magpie.
ruckus
P.S. To all the RotK dieters out there ... dig deep - there's not much more to go
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posted 10-23-2007 06:34 AM PT (US) Strider1002
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Originally posted by ruckus:P.S. To all the RotK dieters out there ... dig deep - there's not much more to go
At this point, ROTK music is playing continuously in my head, and I can't stop it...
posted 10-23-2007 07:09 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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@ ruckusNo real mysteries here, really. The first one is the beginning of the invasion of Osgiliath, and the second one is the scene at the crossroads.
By the way, if you have a hard time holding out for the CR, watch the "Oldham Youth Orchestra plays Lord of the Rings" videos, and you'll want to stay away from LotR music for a while
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posted 10-23-2007 09:15 AM PT (US) BattleToTheEnd
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Originally posted by ruckus:
I came across another short clip on youtube of recording sessions at Abbey Road. Anyone know where this is from?<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>
[b]Originally posted by Magpie:
...So, I present, Howard Shore and his All Nurse Band: ...
<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for that Magpie.
ruckus
P.S. To all the RotK dieters out there ... dig deep - there's not much more to go
[Message edited by ruckus on 10-23-2007][/B]The clip that you found on youtube is from the DVD on the special edition soundtrack of ROTK.
posted 10-23-2007 10:00 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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So he meant where the clip was from, not the music?
That would make more sense ...
posted 10-23-2007 10:01 AM PT (US) Magpie
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oh.. I thought he meant where was the video from? The video is familiar to me but looking through my audio commentary and appendices transcripts, I can't find it. I even transcribed at least part of the bonus dvd from the ROTK LE soundtrack. But maybe he is asking about the music and not the video.
Originally posted by gkgyver:
@ ruckusNo real mysteries here, really. The first one is the beginning of the invasion of Osgiliath, and the second one is the scene at the crossroads.
posted 10-23-2007 10:05 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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The clip is indeed from the Bonus DVD that comes witht the ROTK Limited Edition.
posted 10-23-2007 10:20 AM PT (US) Ge0rge
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yeah, looks like the "Photo gallery:..." title of this bonus LE DVD contains the part (or the whole of it) of "The Fellowship Reunited" track from the CR, how did I miss it before?!
posted 10-23-2007 10:36 AM PT (US) Sabsi
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Originally posted by gkgyver:
@ ruckus
By the way, if you have a hard time holding out for the CR, watch the "Oldham Youth Orchestra plays Lord of the Rings" videos, and you'll want to stay away from LotR music for a while *ouch* That's... well, let's say not as good as the LPO-performance
But I did't want to stay away from LotR after this, I wanted to hear the 'real' music ASAP. This video made it even harder to abstain from RotK-Sabsi, abstaining from RotK (occasional listens to 'Crack of Doom' and 'Osgiliath Invaded' excluded
) posted 10-23-2007 10:51 AM PT (US) Strider1002
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Originally posted by Sabsi:-Sabsi, abstaining from RotK (occasional listens to 'Crack of Doom' and 'Osgiliath Invaded' excluded
)Oh, and I thought I was cheating, listening to "The Green Dragon"
posted 10-23-2007 11:05 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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I hear "Shelob The Great" has unused music as well.
Part of that is featured also on the RotK Bonus DVD.
PJ talks to Howard Shore and says "The thing with this, Howard, is that it should be horrific really. As much nightmare as possible."
Then they cut to Howard conducting the piece, and afterwards PJ jokes "Umm, yeah, it has some nightmarish quality."That was supposed to play over Shelob approaching Frodo I think, but the silence in the movie works exceptionally well.
posted 10-23-2007 12:16 PM PT (US) Earl
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I just realized that Bilbo's Song on ROTK:CR means we'll finally get the english translation of this beautiful piece in the Annotated Score...
posted 10-24-2007 08:05 AM PT (US) Magpie
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uhh... hello!
Originally posted by Earl:
I just realized that Bilbo's Song on ROTK:CR means we'll finally get the english translation of this beautiful piece in the Annotated Score...
http://www.geocities.com/magpie930/SOURCE_SONGS/ROTK/SSbilbos_song.htmand that one's straight from the horse's mouth.
posted 10-24-2007 08:15 AM PT (US) Earl
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Well, as far as I know, David Salo was the only one who provided translations for the movies and so I find it odd that he had to give this a listen to determine the Elvish lyrics.So I wonder where Howard Shore got these lyrics from and hence I'm waiting for something official in the AS.
Edit: Official English and Elvish lyrics highly anticipated
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posted 10-24-2007 08:56 AM PT (US) Incanus
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Here is a rather critical review of all the three Complete Recordings sets from Soundtrack- Express: http://www.soundtrack-express.com/osts/lordoftheringscomplete.htm
posted 10-24-2007 09:41 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB