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Topic: Pirates 3 First Listen
Jeron
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http://www.soundtrack.net/features/article/?id=231So, what does everyone think? Kinda diggin' the melody and arrangement in "Up is Down" - pretty fun. Pure Hans there, but still... when it's good, it's good. "Drink Up Me Hearties" is also fantastic.
This feels like the most mature and developed of the three scores, which makes sense.
Anxious to see with picture...
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posted 05-03-2007 01:05 AM PT (US) Crono/Kyp
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I'm lovin' it!--BC
posted 05-03-2007 01:15 AM PT (US) nuts_score
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Damn the world . . . even when I get a hint this is going up I go and spend the night with my girlfriend and completely forget to use her computer!But, these listens, I'm digging this one here. Hopefully Hans finally can do something with this franchise's music. Fingers crossed that the movie delivers at least half of what these sound clips promise.
posted 05-03-2007 08:54 AM PT (US) tjguitar
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I haven't been this excited over a "first listen" since last year's pirates score. I hope that some of the awesome guitar & Bach-like organ stuff ( from The Kraken track) return.Obviously you can't judge a CD by 30 second clips, but it sounds very promising, but then again most people didnt like last year's and I loved it....so hopefully the advanced copies will show up at the various places soon enough....
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posted 05-03-2007 10:40 AM PT (US) Horner
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Wouh!
The First Listen really offers a nice glimps at what is to come with Zimmers Pirates 3 powerhouse score.The Clip "At Wit's End" has really grabed my interessts. I think the love theme is very effective.
Looking very much forward to this Score. Zimmer is allways good for a nice little powerhouse entertainement.Cheers mates
NP.: Hello Beasty!
posted 05-04-2007 04:09 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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Are these *actually* REAL woodwinds I'm hearing? Unbelievable, I didn't think Zimmer would ever use an instrument as exotic as the piccolo fluteI'm cautiously optimistic about this one. But this is just like a trailer. The trailer for Star Wars made the films look spectacular, and look how they turned out.
posted 05-04-2007 08:44 AM PT (US) Crono/Kyp
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Trailers are all about the marketing :-)They HAVE to look sexy! It's like a rule.
--Brian
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posted 05-04-2007 10:59 AM PT (US) rolltide1017
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I have never had a problem listening to these on soundtrack.net but, I can't get this one to play. Every time I click on "click to play" the quicktime logo appears and nothing else happens. I just downloaded an update to Quicktime a few days ago so, maybe it is causing problems.
posted 05-05-2007 05:55 PM PT (US) sean
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I love it!!! Fantastic score!
posted 05-06-2007 02:02 AM PT (US) Kris
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quote:
Originally posted by rolltide1017:
I have never had a problem listening to these on soundtrack.net but, I can't get this one to play. Every time I click on "click to play" the quicktime logo appears and nothing else happens. I just downloaded an update to Quicktime a few days ago so, maybe it is causing problems.Try opening Quicktime first, then your browser and the tracks. It worked for me.
posted 05-06-2007 03:47 AM PT (US) scoreguy16
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quote:
Originally posted by rolltide1017:
I have never had a problem listening to these on soundtrack.net but, I can't get this one to play. Every time I click on "click to play" the quicktime logo appears and nothing else happens. I just downloaded an update to Quicktime a few days ago so, maybe it is causing problems.Same thing happens to me, press the spacebar when you see the quicktime logo.
Clayton
posted 05-06-2007 02:26 PM PT (US) Horner
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Hey me HeartiesI've just receved my copy of POTC 3. It really is a fantastic listening experience.
Have to give it some more listens but watch out for a review soon on outnow.ch (I'm sorry, the review will be in German).
The Last Track is a very well put together Suite of all the major Themes (old and new ones).
The CD comes with a massive Booklet, containing production notes written by Mark Wherry, who was in charge for the Digital Instrument Design and a lot of colored fotos from the film and the production. Nice!Cheers
posted 05-13-2007 01:19 PM PT (US) Horner
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Hey Dan,you're on the "Hans Zimmer would like to Thank"-List. How comes?
Cheersposted 05-13-2007 05:10 PM PT (US) Crono/Kyp
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Horner, Dan can't post here as he is banned (see that other thread)Try his email.
--Brian
posted 05-13-2007 05:32 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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There's one theme (I think it's love theme C, or B, whatever) that reminds me of Tara's Theme from Gone With The Wind. I think you can hear it in the clip for "I Don't Think Now Is The Best Time" and "Drink Up, Me Hearties".Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to this. May Zimmer has advanced to the level of orchestral writing than any given composer (speak "person who writes notes") has reached the minute he receives his diploma
I expect some hateful responses
posted 05-13-2007 05:38 PM PT (US) Horner
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Hey Brian,
thanx for the info. I've forgot. In the meantime I saw that someone posted this question allready over at the scorerevies.com-Board. If this has been you, then thanx again.
Cheers
posted 05-14-2007 05:39 AM PT (US) sakman
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My 2.5 cents.
http://www.xanga.com/MaestroSteve
posted 05-15-2007 01:23 PM PT (US) PeterK
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Boxes of CDs arrived yesterday, pre-orders being filled and ready to ship on Friday! Wooo-hoooo hearties!
posted 05-15-2007 02:26 PM PT (US) PeterK
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Oh yeah, and all yous who pre-ordered with the old shipping rates.... your shipping rates will be honored. The post office's postage rate increases has caused (or will cause, in the next few hours) increased shipping rates in the store across all fronts except for $1 shipping and the Standard shipping. Damn they must be partying hard at the P.O. now... this increase was the biggest I've ever seen.
posted 05-15-2007 02:30 PM PT (US) franz_conrad
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Originally posted by PeterK:
Oh yeah, and all yous who pre-ordered with the old shipping rates.... your shipping rates will be honored. The post office's postage rate increases has caused (or will cause, in the next few hours) increased shipping rates in the store across all fronts except for $1 shipping and the Standard shipping. Damn they must be partying hard at the P.O. now... this increase was the biggest I've ever seen.Hi Peter - would normally email you this but can't get into my email this exact moment. What are changes to international shipping like? E.g. if I ordered four CDs.
posted 05-15-2007 05:31 PM PT (US) PeterK
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Still working on the formula that would make sense to the people ordering one CD, yet still cover the new costs required for orders with multiple CDs. Can't say exactly just yet until I get a few more orders in of variable quantities....
posted 05-16-2007 09:41 AM PT (US) tjguitar
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even insurance went up 30 cents.
posted 05-16-2007 09:46 AM PT (US) Jeron
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Well, having just listened to "At World's End" in its entirety on the album, I can honestly say this is the best of the Pirates scores. Lots of stuff going on in this one, but it's by far the most dramatically satisfying. Getting a fully-fledged statement of "He's A Pirate" at the end of the album in the finale is by far the best cap on the thing. Can't wait to hear Hans' score with the film.
posted 05-16-2007 05:22 PM PT (US) tjguitar
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Ha, Jeron, you nasty bugger DLing.*checks the usual suspects*. Sweet!
I have mine pre-ordered at amazon, but nothing wrong with a week in advance DL.
posted 05-16-2007 05:30 PM PT (US) Jeron
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Just to set the record straight, I didn't download the album anywhere (wouldn't know where to, honestly) -- my copy is a legit advance. That said, I'll be stopping by Best Buy next week to pick up the commercial release as I prefer CDs with packaging and such intact.
posted 05-16-2007 05:56 PM PT (US) tjguitar
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Originally posted by Jeron:
Just to set the record straight, I didn't download the album anywhere (wouldn't know where to, honestly) -- my copy is a legit advance. That said, I'll be stopping by Best Buy next week to pick up the commercial release as I prefer CDs with packaging and such intact.I didn't know Disney sends out Advances. Cool deal. What site do you review for?
posted 05-16-2007 06:24 PM PT (US) Jeron
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Originally posted by tjguitar:
I didn't know Disney sends out Advances. Cool deal. What site do you review for?LOL... don't worry about it bro. How I got it shouldn't be an object of discussion, all I wanted to say is that I didn't download it. That's all.
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posted 05-16-2007 08:53 PM PT (US) tjguitar
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Originally posted by Jeron:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by tjguitar:
[b]I didn't know Disney sends out Advances. Cool deal. What site do you review for?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL... don't worry about it bro. How I got it shouldn't be an object of discussion, all I wanted to say is that I didn't download it. That's all.
[Message edited by Jeron on 05-16-2007][/B]
Gotcha.
posted 05-16-2007 09:57 PM PT (US) rolltide1017
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What happen to the rumors I read about here a few months ago pertaining to expanded releases of the first 2 scores? Did they end up being false?
posted 05-18-2007 11:23 AM PT (US) Jeron
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No in fact I heard they are being packaged in a limited edition holographic lithogram digipak that will come free to those who pre-order the special edition Godzilla 2-Disc complete score from La La Land Records. Or whoever ends up releasing it. If it's indeed ever released. This summer.
posted 05-18-2007 01:41 PM PT (US) tjguitar
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Originally posted by rolltide1017:
What happen to the rumors I read about here a few months ago pertaining to expanded releases of the first 2 scores? Did they end up being false?
Were there ever rumors? I thought it was just somebody pulling stuff out of their ass..posted 05-18-2007 01:43 PM PT (US) PeterK
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IGN put up some bigger artwork files of the back of the digipack, and the inside CD:posted 05-18-2007 02:02 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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Sensational! I think this is the very first Zimmer score (amongst the 12 or so that I know) that features a genuine, real, old-fashioned string arpeggio ("I don't think now is the best time" at 8:20)!
Wow, miracles do happen!But all kidding aside, and this won't surprise some of you, I don't really like this score. Which is a great improvement over Dead Man's Chest, though, which I genuinely hate.
I heard it the first time and kind of liked it. Then a second time, a third, a fourth time. And each time it got worse.
Zimmer's principal idea for "Hoist The Colours" is good, and it may be the only truly original track on the album. That and the World's end theme, which heavily reminds me of Titanic. The rest is typical Zimmer, which means it varies between "noise", "padding", "static", "loud", "extremely loud", and "one-more-minute-and-my-ears-bleed loud" - the Hans Zimmer equivalent of the traditional p-mp-mf-f-ff-fff.Zimmer says in the SN podcast that "people think they are so smart because they found out that this track is a hommage to Ennio Morricone, but what they don't realise is that this is actually the love theme". And Goldwasser writes "talk about versatility". Well, writing a theme that can be used in different environments is not incredible genius on part of the composer, it's *his damn job*. If we can't take this for granted, then film scoring really faces a tough time.
Goldwasser also writes about Davy Jones' theme that "you won't recognise it if you don't know what it was". This may be kind of an arrogant point of view, but you'd have to be terribly deaf not to recognise any Zimmer theme.Talking about themes. I know people in the theatre are going to laugh long and hard when they see Will and Elizabeth marrying to the tones of Tara's Theme from Gone With The Wind. Is this a conscious decision from Zimmer? How can anyone write such music and not see the blatant (again, I'm using this word in the strongest possible meaning) similarity, not to say rip-off?
Then, Zimmer says he didn't want Singapore to sound too asian. Ahem ... yes. I can't imagine music sounding more asian than "Singapore". Listen to Memoirs Of A Geisha and hear how delicate chinese music can be interwoven with our music styles. Some may say it's a wrong comparison, but these are the standards Hans Zimmer has to be measured by. And he's lightyears away from it, that's the cruel "truth" (in the vaguest meaning of the word).
Hmmm, what else? Music from DMC being recycled note for note and instrument for instrument in "I don't think now is the best time" (boy that title is annoying to type), choir pieces that sound like they've been edited into the film from The Da Vinci Code, cues like "Up Is Down" and "Multiple Jacks" that seem to more satisfy the desires of the composer than the needs of the film ... who knows? Maybe a couple of co-writers had the chance to go wild on one of these ...And it all suffers from the usual horn overkill. Zimmer says he doesn't use samples very often. Very well, as absurd as that subjectively sounds to me, so be it. He's interested in unusual recording techniques. Very well, so be it. But it doesn't matter whether the horns play in the back of the hall, in front, left, right, dead center, on a balcony or through a toilet bowl - as long as the notes that come out are still crap, as long as the orchestration is still dull, the score will be dull, too.
I can't believe, and I mean this in the strongest possible meaning of this expression, that Hans Zimmer has been working on this score since last October.
How he can call At World's End "flamboyant" is beyond me. It's maybe "as flamboyant as Hans Zimmer gets", but it's defintely not flamboyant in the traditional meaning of the word. To pompously announce "I can write swashbuckling music in the tradition of the old pirate films in my sleep, it's easy", and then come out with something like At World's End is not only insulting, it's an embarassment to the whole film score world.
No wonder truly inventive film scores can't get a foot, or even the big toe, into mainstream, when Pirates Of The Caribbean is presented as the ultimate incarnation of swashbuckling music.And now the main argument of all PotC defenders, that the music is perfect because the movie doesn't want to be pure pirate films, doesn't count anymore, too. Because Hans Zimmer recently proclaimed it as "old-fashioned swashbuckling music" himself.
And so, the maestro himself reveals that he is utterly inadequate.[Message edited by gkgyver on 05-18-2007]
posted 05-18-2007 06:45 PM PT (US) NeoVoyager
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I have a strong feeling I'm going to be coming away from this score with roughly the same feelings as you, GK... but I've decided to give Zimmer another chance on this one.I hope I'm not too disappointed. Again.
posted 05-19-2007 12:34 AM PT (US) Shire Bagginz
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In short...I LOVE THIS SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!
posted 05-19-2007 02:53 AM PT (US) sean
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I always enjoy how people who hate Hans Zimmer or James Horner devote so many words and so much time to their posts; man, have they ever got your number!I have to listen to that SoundtrackNet podcast, but if that's what Zimmer said about the "Parlay" track than I find it amusing: Yeah, it's a tribute to Ennio Morriconne, but the guitars are so obviously playing the love theme, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. And Goldasser's comments about the not-being-able-to-tell where a theme might be in "I Don't Think Now Is The Best Time" is outrageous (the themes are VERY clear). Typically smug on his part.
Anyway, I think this score is great, it's fantastic. Enough said about that.
Why are people still giving Zimmer "another chance"? I thought this ended years ago when Shaun Rutherford played Pearl Harbour and it reminded him of a Hallmark commercial. Stop already, Hans Zimmer has had too many last chances! Just stick to hating his music and all will be well.
NP: Pirates 3 (HZ) *****/*****
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posted 05-19-2007 09:47 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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I always enjoy how people who hate Hans Zimmer or James Horner devote so many words and so much time to their posts; man, have they ever got your number!Well, a man so full of it brings out the passion in oneself.
posted 05-19-2007 01:12 PM PT (US) sean
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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Well, a man so full of it brings out the passion in oneself.That's one POV, but I did listen to that podcast and I don't hear any of the arrogance you have apparently read into it. Oh, well.
posted 05-19-2007 02:24 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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Sorry, but the statement about writing music in his sleep is as arrogant as it can possibly get.Realise it, or don't.
posted 05-19-2007 02:39 PM PT (US) HadrianD
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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Blah Blah Blah! I'm biased against Zimmer so everything he say and write will be subjected to subversions and twisted half truths. Blah Blah Blah![Message edited by gkgyver on 05-18-2007]
I'd like to address a few point.
The fact that you even say that the 11th track "I Don't Think Now Is the Best Time" sounds ripped out from DMC (from "Wheels Of Fortune") means to me that you didn't even listen to the score at all. Or maybe you just listened to it while inhaling something out of a crack pipe.
The AWE theme too much like Tara's theme? Not even close to that bombast. Having a couple of note flourish doesn't make it a rip off, if that. Obvious Hans would know what an "old fashion" Hollywood theme would sound like.
"Up is Down" seems to serve the need of the film more when you think about the context of the scene. And Hans described it as an "good old fashion, swashbuckling, irish jig type...but of craziness".
"Singapore" doesn't sound too Asian while it is Asian to a point. And he said this in the pod cast. "I tried to do something that wasn't a normal parody of Chinese music". Notice how the Chinese instruments play only simple gestures and not thematic lines. And that was only ONE (1) minute of "chinese" music.
You seem to know very well "the needs of the film". You must be both Gore Verbinsky and Jerry Bruckheimer.
And you can start work on the score since last October as long as you take breaks in between to work on other scores. He started writing the Main Theme suite in October, not writing "to the movie".
And he never said "I can write swashbuckling music the tradition of the old pirates in my sleep, it's easy". He was talking about flutes and woodwind writing, something he has been doing for a while now even outside of Action scores.
Hans is being more flamboyant than before. A typical "fun" Zimmer score is The Peacemaker and Muppet Treasure Island and this score is a synthesis of those two score time 2.
I think you're so full of hate for the man that you can get past that hate to hear and comprehend what you're listening to.
posted 05-19-2007 04:43 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB