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tjguitar Standard Userer	quote: INTRADA Announces: INCHON Composed and Conducted by Jerry Goldsmith INTRADA Special Collection Volume 35 The 1982 epic war opus INCHON chronicles the massive force invasion of Southern Korea led by General Douglas MacArthur. The film had all the right ingredients: a cast that included Ben Gazzara, Jacqueline Bisset, and none other than Sir Laurence Olivier in the role of MacArthur; James Bond veteran director Terence Young at the helm; and a world class composer -- the unequaled Jerry Goldsmith, who gave the film its spirit. Nonetheless, the production was plagued with both natural and man-made troubles, resulting in a film that cost over $44M, was cut from its original 140-minute length to 105 minutes when it went into "wide" release in September 1982, closed relatively quickly, and fell into obscurity. The film may be forgotten, but what lives on is Jerry Goldsmith's dynamic, colorful and percussive score. The lively score features an augmented percussion section, including snares, bass drum, cymbals, tympani, triangle, xylophone, woodblocks, boo bams, and many others. At the time of the release, Goldsmith had artfully assembled a 38-minute album capturing the highlights and delivering an irresistible listening experience. In 1988, Intrada released an expanded edition that featured the complete score, without all the unique assembly of the LP. Now, INTRADA presents the definitive release of INCHON. This 2-CD set features the original LP presentation as Goldsmith had initially presented his score, plus a second disc featuring the score in chronological order, remixed and remastered for optimal sound. The score, recorded in a church wine seller with musicians crowded around and sitting on crates, has never sounded better. This release is limited to 1500 units. INTRADA Special Collection - Volume 35 IN STOCK NOW For cover art, track listing, and sound samples, please visit http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT67745/it.A/id.5020/.f[/quote]
posted 09-04-2006 06:16 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	I guess this is one I that can easily pass on. I already have the original "expanded" album and it's lucky to get one play a year, if that.
posted 09-04-2006 06:31 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Whats it like?
posted 09-04-2006 06:55 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Standard Userer	Its a very good score. I have the Lp and the expanded CD both so I will pass on this one. I like the score a lot. It has a very good main title, the Tanks is very good and some of the short cues on the Cd are very good. J. This film was, like CAbo Blanco, both filmed in 80 but not released until 82 in both cases. J.
posted 09-04-2006 09:25 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Oh geesh you Goldsmith lightweights! I'll be getting this without hesitation. Inchon is a great score, and while I may not listen to it often, it's certainly worth having remixed and remastered with modern tech. Plus I'm sure the packaging and liner notes will be great. Bring it on, Intrada. Thanks! Jeron
posted 09-04-2006 09:56 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	This is great news for people who've been searching high and low for the original, but for the original LP and CD owners it's not such a tough call. There are plenty of other things to spend $20 on that won't replicate what you essentially already have, and the sales pitch for this one seems shallow to me for some reason, no offense meant. This newest release offers "a few bars of music" not heard before? Ok...... What I am wondering about most acutely is what happened in the last 18 years that removes the "pinched sound" that, according to the 1988 CD liners, "could not be avoided"? The notes explain that the "pinched sound" involves everything from large orchestra recordings in wine cellars beneath a church to inconsistent sounds from irregular performers leaning against walls and sitting on top of cases. Has technology improved so much we can now go back to a recording done under poor circumstances and have it "fixed"? Or is the original Inchon CD from 1988 just full of excuses that really don't matter anyway? The recording is thin, yes, but I've heard worse. Guess we find out in the new liner notes! Thanks for the re-issue Intrada, despite the 1500 unit limited run. This means Buysoundtrax hordes and sells for tons later... because they can. If anyone wants this, my recommendation would be to get it now from your favorite soundtrack shop. http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/inchon-exp
posted 09-04-2006 11:41 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Yeah, I got to thinking about the pinched sound. It'd be nice to know if this has been corrected, or if what we're in for is wholly similar to the previously released album.
posted 09-05-2006 02:23 PM PT (US)

JEC Standard Userer	Down to last 200 copies already.
posted 09-05-2006 07:11 PM PT (US)

Foobsie Standard Userer	Can't pre-order @ moviemusic. Upon checkout, item dissapeared from shopping cart. Another customer beat me to it :-( PeterK? FoobsZ
posted 09-05-2006 11:04 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Last publically available one bought just now, yeah. The remainder I have are for regular customers who won't even get the news about this release for two or three more weeks! Email me, foobz.
posted 09-05-2006 11:09 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Looks like I did good by ordering this afternoon then!!!!!
posted 09-06-2006 12:09 AM PT (US)

Kris Standard Userer	Missed it. Anybody have a clue where I can get a copy?
posted 09-06-2006 05:26 AM PT (US)

Squiddybop Standard Userer	http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=6108
posted 09-06-2006 06:03 AM PT (US)

Borgtex Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Squiddybop: http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=6108 Not anymore. Inchon has vanished from existence... in all online shops, at least. Amazing
posted 09-06-2006 08:23 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	To everyone who did not get this, I would suggest posting a note in Intrada's forum to the attention of the Intrada guys. Ask them who did most of the bulk buying so you know where to get them. I've sold all of mine @ $20, none left, and I know places like Buysoundtrax and are hoarding for their "rare" section. Thanks to greed (excused as "fair market prices"), price tag won't be $19.99, but at least you'll know who has them... Hopefully Intrada will help out in this regard. It seems to me they have really done a disservice by limiting this one to 1500 units, and should make up for it by letting genuine customers know where they've gone. Otherwise, let the great frustrations plod on.
posted 09-06-2006 01:35 PM PT (US)

Squiddybop Standard Userer	Currently Inchon's still listed at Ark Square in Japan. At $22.80 the markup is pretty reasonable as well. http://www.arksquare.net/index_main.html [Message edited by Squiddybop on 09-06-2006]
posted 09-06-2006 04:40 PM PT (US)

shado1999 Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: To everyone who did not get this, I would suggest posting a note in Intrada's forum to the attention of the Intrada guys. Ask them who did most of the bulk buying so you know where to get them. I've sold all of mine @ $20, none left, and I know places like Buysoundtrax and are hoarding for their "rare" section. Thanks to greed (excused as "fair market prices"), price tag won't be $19.99, but at least you'll know who has them... Hopefully Intrada will help out in this regard. It seems to me they have really done a disservice by limiting this one to 1500 units, and should make up for it by letting genuine customers know where they've gone. Otherwise, let the great frustrations plod on. Peter, I agree. This is so frustrating. Perhaps Intrada should have pressed more copies, or limited the amount they sold to cistomers. I see that copies have started to show up on EBay. One copy is selling for $126. That's way too much for me. I guess I'll have to be more vigilant in future.
posted 09-07-2006 09:13 AM PT (US)

Southall Standard Userer	I have to say, Inchon is the first one of these that has really surprised me by selling out virtually instantly. Who bought them all? Only rabid film music fans would even have known Intrada was releasing something on that day - a couple of hundred people, perhaps? So have the other (say) 1,200 copies ALL been snapped up by other retailers, and Ebay speculators? I just can't believe that! I did post a message as Peter suggested at Intrada's board, but neither Doug nor Roger has responded to it. I don't blame them, and I don't blame Intrada for it selling out (seriously, I can't imagine they thought for a moment that this one would go so fast, especially considering the 2000-copy Studs Lonigan has been available for years and still isn't close to selling out - and that one had never been available before, let alone just being a glorified remastering!)
posted 09-07-2006 09:37 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Yo Southall, I'd say your first paragraph is spot on to something. Perhaps some 500 single orders were made in 24 hours, not 1,500. I'd say most of them are Ebay speculators, as there are only a handful real retailers (you know, non-Ebay people running a proper retail business). This thing will be forever available on Ebay for $25 to $30, with the few first ones going for high prices until people catch on. But the speculation at the end of your second paragraph... Studs Lonigan? Ok, maybe, but look at other things: Inchon, written during Goldsmith's arguably best days (Studs is not exactly the great stuff, and Goldsmith's very first). Look at nearby Capricorn One, a remarkably fast seller at the 3,000 unit level, also with an "official" release pre-existing before the special collection arrived. It's easy to see how it could have sold out as it did, and I regret I didn't take my own advice and order a bunch more for all the customers writing in requesting it (which will happen for at least another month). Considering all this (and Doug's Goldsmith-obsessed message pre-announcing Inchon), why not say that a 1500 unit Wind and the Lion and a 1500 unit King Solomon's Mines are on the horizon? These guys are mastering the art of rehashing. Hey, if composers can do it?
posted 09-07-2006 10:18 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	I wish King Solomon's Mines and Wind and the Lion were re-issued. Unfortunately I don't think it's possible due to LP rights?
posted 09-07-2006 10:23 AM PT (US)

Southall Standard Userer	I agree with you about Studs Lonigan. Bad example. But still, the previous Intrada release was available for many years and this is only a remastering job - there's no extra music - so I thought it would only be people as stupid as me (and the few people who didn't already have the old release) who'd be shelling out their $$$. I also agree that these will be on Ebay forever. Speculators might make a few dollars if they are amongst the lucky few who sell them on Ebay within a few weeks - thereafter, forget it! I saw a copy of Sheena go for less than $20 not long ago - so the people with boxes of 50 of them stored in their basement might not have made the wisest investment.
posted 09-07-2006 10:33 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	Actually I'm suprised Studs hasn't sold out yet. It's one of Goldsmith's early scores and it features John Williams on the piano. And it's not that bad.
posted 09-07-2006 11:26 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	The smartest thing to do then (but only one or two of you can do it before it catches on! Quick!) would be to list your 2CD Inchon on Ebay today, sell it for $90, and buy back another copy in a few months for $25. Inchon most likely got the spark because of the high prices the OOP original CD was attracting these past few years, right in front of all the speculators. King Solomon's and Wind and the Lion are poised for the same... both currently selling at $50 and $70+ respectively. I don't know the licensing arrangements specifically, but I'd say Intrada's in the best position to re-license more than any other label if it needs be. Letting old licenses expire is probably better for business, as new licensing allows for improved term negotiations.... and limited editions really make for cheap licensing. Won't be surprised if we see Red Dawn, Quigley Down Under and other popular Intrada titles that have gone OOP pop up as new remastered versions. I just hope they aren't limited editions. This MM store has sold so many Quigley's it's not even funny.
posted 09-07-2006 11:29 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Going back to 1500 unit releases selling out so fast: All you need is 50 orders of 30 units each and the entire run is wiped out. This is not impossible to believe, not to me. Or, 100 orders of only 15 units each. Not bad if you can sell the first one on Ebay for $100. It's sick. What this means is a huge (huge=100) number of collectors will totally miss out. The Ebay phenomenon sucks, and yeah, maybe Intrada should come up with a better plan to unload these if they don't want to be equivocated with frustrated customers and hit up with tons of whining and "where can I get it?!" emails. Perhaps Intrada's only pain is a few days of gnarly email storms, and who cares about the rest. I guess we can be glad they don't do things like "200 copies left, price now $29.99!" and "50 copies lect, price now $39.99!" That would slow things down, but this is pure evil! [Message edited by PeterK on 09-07-2006]
posted 09-07-2006 11:43 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: The smartest thing to do then (but only one or two of you can do it before it catches on! Quick!) would be to list your 2CD Inchon on Ebay today, sell it for $90, and buy back another copy in a few months for $25. Inchon most likely got the spark because of the high prices the OOP original CD was attracting these past few years, right in front of all the speculators. King Solomon's and Wind and the Lion are poised for the same... both currently selling at $50 and $70+ respectively. I don't know the licensing arrangements specifically, but I'd say Intrada's in the best position to re-license more than any other label if it needs be. Letting old licenses expire is probably better for business, as new licensing allows for improved term negotiations.... and limited editions really make for cheap licensing. Won't be surprised if we see Red Dawn, Quigley Down Under and other popular Intrada titles that have gone OOP pop up as new remastered versions. I just hope they aren't limited editions. This MM store has sold so many Quigley's it's not even funny. I probably shouldn't say this until I get my copy but Amazon.co.uk has The Last Starfighter, King Solomon's Mines (and I think Quigley?) for 17.49 pounds....or 15.50 without the VAT....4-6 weeks delivery. Mine are scheduled for shipment at the end of this month. Hopefully they really have them, but I wouldn't be surprised if it just keeps getting delayed and eventually cancelled.
posted 09-07-2006 02:28 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	quote: Won't be surprised if we see Red Dawn, Quigley Down Under and other popular Intrada titles that have gone OOP pop up as new remastered versions. I just hope they aren't limited editions. This MM store has sold so many Quigley's it's not even funny Certainly possible. It happened with FIRST BLOOD, only Varese got the rights.
posted 09-07-2006 02:30 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	BTW, for those interested I see a few copies of the original release of Inchon on ebay for as low as 5 bucks...
posted 09-07-2006 03:15 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Squiddybop: Currently Inchon's still listed at Ark Square in Japan. At $22.80 the markup is pretty reasonable as well. http://www.arksquare.net/index_main.html And just to follow up on this... it's gone from there as well, now.
posted 09-07-2006 04:01 PM PT (US)

Squiddybop Standard Userer	More copies may be available again at Intrada soon. They are asking how people would feel about them pressing another batch of Inchon. Tell them what you think of the idea here: http://www.intrada.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=675
posted 09-07-2006 05:20 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Best news I've read all day, although only yesterday I was told directly there was no chance it could be repressed. Nice to hear there is some re-thinking going on.
posted 09-07-2006 08:57 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	I wonder if those who are really opposed to a re-pressing are the ones who gobbled up 50 copies at a time to put on eBay.
posted 09-08-2006 11:36 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I just returned from reading the thread. Wow. While it helps that Doug has come out in public and asked, it's damaging in that it shows there are people completely against it, crying "unethical." I wouldn't put it past them to employ the legal system to make matters worse. Mark, you are right... those against it are without question those who have something to lose... and those who bought 50 copies certainly have everything to lose, as they won't be able to rip-off the people who earnestly want one (1) copy to enjoy the score. That's a good thread, but I am glad it's not here. There's a lot of fire and ice there... we used to have our share and it wore my eyeballs out just reading it, much less trying to keep things positive. I enjoy a peaceful forum. Thanks guys.
posted 09-08-2006 11:47 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Bummed out there won't be any more copies. 1500 is ridiculous, especially when it's a Goldsmith title. The man's gone, his music is now finite. Copies will eventually sell with increasing interest, even if it's limited to 3000. Ironically I missed out on this, despite my enthusiasm at the top of the thread. Kinda bummed. If any one has any tips on where I can get one without making a small, unjustifiable "investment", let me know. Thanks.
posted 09-08-2006 07:35 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Mark Olivarez: I wonder if those who are really opposed to a re-pressing are the ones who gobbled up 50 copies at a time to put on eBay. That's probably a good possibility. I mean I know that limited runs are made and people should be given a chance especially retailers like Peter. However at this point I think that Limited Edition runs should be limited ONE per customer so that way that there aren't any scalpers who will buy 50 and put them on ebay for double almost triple the price. That's ripping off the public and unethical. This of course is my opinion.
posted 09-09-2006 04:37 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Bummed out there won't be any more copies. 1500 is ridiculous, especially when it's a Goldsmith title. The man's gone, his music is now finite. Copies will eventually sell with increasing interest, even if it's limited to 3000. Ironically I missed out on this, despite my enthusiasm at the top of the thread. Kinda bummed. If any one has any tips on where I can get one without making a small, unjustifiable "investment", let me know. Thanks. Jeron check eBay becuase some of the original CDs of Inchon have been listed at a low starting price, you might get lucky. I'm sure a copy might find it's way into your hands although it may not be the actual CD.
posted 09-09-2006 08:02 AM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	I think a good way to do it is to limit inital purchases to 5 per customer for the first week and then open teh floodgate. That should let everyone who wants one have a shot. But no label is going to do that. From Intrada and Varese's viewpoint these instant sellouts are great. A lot of their sales come from bulk sales to dealers. I doubt they will take a chance on losing those sales.
posted 09-09-2006 10:02 AM PT (US)

Alwin Standard Userer	Oh man, I e-mailed you too late, Peter. It must stink worse for Goldsmith enthusiasts like Jeron... Well, if another pressed-run comes up Peter, please let us know!
posted 09-09-2006 01:18 PM PT (US)

JEC Standard Userer	I haven't seen any offered by BuySoundtrax yet.
posted 09-09-2006 08:36 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Mark Olivarez: Jeron check eBay becuase some of the original CDs of Inchon have been listed at a low starting price, you might get lucky. I'm sure a copy might find it's way into your hands although it may not be the actual CD. I have the original CD... I'm a completist.
posted 09-10-2006 01:40 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Standard Userer	As I said earlier, I have the LP and the CD from before, so I dont feel left out at all. I am very satisfied. J.
posted 09-10-2006 07:10 PM PT (US)

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