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    Topic:   Which version Holst-The Planets?

     Foobsie
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    Hi guys....

    need your help here,


    Does anyone which version of HOLST's THE PLANETS is the best on aspects such as:
    audio quality
    running time.

    also... could you provide me with label info, or direct URL links to online shops as amazon.com / cdnow.com??

    tnx.... for your help

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    posted 01-14-2001 03:04 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    This
    is the one you want.

    failing that, try to nab Leonard Bernstein on CBS Masterworks. both are powerful performances and interesting interpretations.

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    posted 01-14-2001 03:10 PM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    JJ's recommendations are very good, personally my favourite interpretation is by Charles Dutoit...though Herbert Von Karajan's Neptune is about as 'infinitum' a sound as you can get!

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    posted 01-14-2001 04:56 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Foobsie, in what way is running time important?

    I have a very good recording by Sir Neville Marriner and the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam. It also includes 2 marches from Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance. Like I said, it's very good, and the sound quality is quite good as well, plus the disc is cheap.

    I do think though that Planets can still get a good bit better, and I'll be interested to check out JJH's and Timmer's recommendations (Charles Dutoit, who's he?)

    Which Karajan recording are you talking about, Timmer? I know there's one on his digital series (the one with the golden Deutsche Grammophon logo). I've always been interested in hearing this one, just because I generally like Karajan's recordings and, admittedly, because the cover art on this disc is very seducive.

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    posted 01-14-2001 06:24 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    The version I have is by Andre Previn and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra released by Telarc. I have yet to compare it to any other performance.

    The times break down to this:

    Mars (7:11)
    Venus (8:46)
    Mercury (3:55)
    Jupiter (7:49)
    Saturn (9:04)
    Uranus (5:52)
    Neptune (7:51)

    The perfromance sounds pretty good to me but like I said this is the only version I've listened to.

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    posted 01-14-2001 07:19 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    Charles Dutoit (a VERY French pronunciation) is the conductor in Montreal.

    fine orchestra.

    I hear their version is also commanding, but I haven't heard it.



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    posted 01-14-2001 07:50 PM PT (US)     

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    I own this one

    Any comments on it?

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    posted 01-14-2001 07:56 PM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    I have heard many, MANY versions, and in my opinion there are only two you need:

    (1) Charles Dutoit, Symphonie du Montreal

    THE finest recording, sound, performance, tempo, PERIOD. This version has yet to be matched.

    (2) Holst conducts Holst w/ The London Symphony Orchestra

    Worth having for the simple reason that you have the composer interpreting his own work. A VERY old recording, but still listenable. Holst's tempos are INSANELY fast! A real gem of a collectors item!


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    posted 01-14-2001 08:42 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    I will also recommend Dutoit's interpretation.

    James

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    posted 01-14-2001 08:55 PM PT (US)     

     Obi Jok Kenobi
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    I have a MCA release with the Vienna State Opera Orchestra conducted by Sir Adrian Boult with 2 extra tracks by Vaughan Williams.
    Listing is as follows.
    Mars (7:17)
    Venus (8:36)
    Mercury (4:05)
    Jupiter (8:27)
    Saturn (8:21)
    Uranus (6:26)
    Neptune (6:19)
    and the 2 Vaughan Williams pieces
    Fantasia on Greensleeves (4:46)
    Fantasia on a theme by Thomas Tallis (16:24)

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    posted 01-14-2001 09:26 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    "Mars" clocking in at 7:17?
    isn't a bit slow?



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    posted 01-14-2001 11:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Thanks you guys,

    Will research all these recommendations.

    The problem here is that they are mostly all re-recordings.... (i.e. McNeely, Talgorn).... some conductors are not true to the timing of Holst's original work and if I am to go with an original (i.e. "Holst conducts Holst") I might end up with a less digital recording and more hiss, etc.... and other anomalies associated with "old original recordings"

    However.... counting the recommendations, everyone seems to rely on Dutoits' interpretation so I will try that and second L. Bernsteins interpretation....

    Really a lot of versions... :-)

    Again, thanks and if you have anymore insights I'd be happy to hear from you.

    NP: SLEEPY HOLLOW-Danny Elfman ****/*****

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    posted 01-15-2001 05:13 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Foobsie, what do you mean by "re-recording"? As "classical" music doesn't have "definitive" versions, there's no such thing as a re-recording. Even though Holst conducted the work himself, this doesn't mean that he didn't like (or maybe even prefer?) other interpretations.

    I wonder why there are actual recordings by the Vienna State Opera Orchestra. Although they have the occassional performance of Verdi's Requiem or some ballett at the opera, they're primarily an opera orchestra. The Vienna Philharmonic consist entirely of members of the State Opera Orchestra (at least that's what I've heard - only members of the State Opera Orchestra can join the the Philharmonic), so why don't they use them?

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    posted 01-15-2001 08:18 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by JJH:
    "Mars" clocking in at 7:17?
    isn't a bit slow?


    My Mar clocks in at 7:41
    My Neptune is 7:55
    My Saturn is 9:44

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    posted 01-15-2001 08:53 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    My Mars runs 7:42. I doesn't sound slow.

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    posted 01-15-2001 08:58 AM PT (US)     

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    There is only one...

    Sir Adrian Boult, New Philharmonia Orchestra, Ambrosian Singers. This was the July 1966 recording by Boult, who was apparently the master of recording and performing Holst's epic work. It was finally released on CD - EMI Classics, CDM 7243 5 66934 2 5.

    Accept no substitutes, this is the only one. All the rest are posers.

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    posted 01-15-2001 09:07 AM PT (US)     

     Foobsie
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    Owkay..... now I am going stir crazy.....
    WHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

    Marian, you are right on the part of classical music, however I was referring more to the clarity of the recording on digital media.

    *adding yet another item to my research-list*

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    posted 01-15-2001 09:27 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    okay, okay, I was wrong.

    I could have sworn Mars was about 6 minutes. oh well. that's what I get for not having my CDs.


    NP -- Zulu, Silva re-recording

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    posted 01-15-2001 10:20 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Okay, maybe I'm just too stupid but I still don't get what you mean by "re-recording". Or were you talking about the fact that Holst's own recording is NOT digital, and the digital recordings are NOT Holst's?

    NP: The Music of Star Wars (arranged for organ)

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    posted 01-15-2001 10:47 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
    Okay, maybe I'm just too stupid but I still don't get what you mean by "re-recording". Or were you talking about the fact that Holst's own recording is NOT digital, and the digital recordings are NOT Holst's?

    NP: The Music of Star Wars (arranged for organ)


    Was there digital sound in 1914?

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    posted 01-15-2001 01:06 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Eh?

    NP: The Music of Star Wars (Organ arrangements)

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    posted 01-15-2001 02:33 PM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    Wedge and James, Your taste in Planetary versions is impeccable

    Marian, The version by Karajan I have is his 1981 recording!

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    posted 01-15-2001 02:41 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    That should be the one I mentioned above. Karjan started digital recordings very early (he was one of those who were promoting the new CD medium from the very beginning), and the digital Alpine Symphony from the same series is from 1981, too.

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    posted 01-15-2001 04:10 PM PT (US)     

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    My version of Mars is pretty much the same lenght as the version I played several years ago in Concert Band at high school. We had played Jupiter the previous year. That was the reason I actually went out and bought the CD. It was such a pity that only Mars and Jupiter were the only ones available as print music here in Australia.

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    posted 01-15-2001 04:49 PM PT (US)     

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    I have a CD of a symphonic band transcription of The Planets by Merlin Patterson and performed by the University of Houston Wind Ensemble conducted by Eddie Green. Intersting to hear it without strings, although a female choir is still present for Neptune. The CD also includes Copland's Appalachian Spring, also transcribed by Merlin Patterson. I believe the album was a Grammy semi-finalist. The CD image is cool, too.

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    posted 01-15-2001 07:44 PM PT (US)     

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    Obi Jok Kenobi, my hat's off to you for playing that piece in concert, as well as Jupiter. I was in my high school marching and concert band. We tried Mars, and failed miserably. However, we did see Lassiter County (Georgia, USA) Marching Band, with 400+ members (75% brass!), actually play Mars and Jupiter on the contest field. Can you imagine marching in 5/4 time, then seguing into 3/4 time? Yikes! They never missed a step and sounded fantastic. My band director stood there with his jaw hanging open whispering "My God, they're playing Mars!" Needless to say, they took the grand prize trophy that year. BTW, if you saw any of the Rose Parade this year, Lassiter was one of the bands featured.

    Chris Harben
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    PS: I prefer von Karajan's 1962 version of The Planets with the Vienna Philharmonic (Decca Records, CD is 1987 with an absolutely horrid blue & silver jewel case & insert).

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    posted 01-15-2001 07:58 PM PT (US)     

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    charben - Unfortunately, I live in Australia so I wouldn't have seen the marching band competition.

    It's a great piece to play and proved very popular with other members of the band. We also played The Eve of the War that year from War of the Worlds and nailed that perfectly too. The conductor always gave us challenging pieces as it really impressed the audience at how good we were. Pity he left the year I finished school, coz the band is no where near as good as it was then.

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    posted 01-15-2001 10:45 PM PT (US)     

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    I played Mars in my high school's symphonic band (man, we played a lot of hard sh!t).

    anyhoo, I played the 1st trumpet part. I sat arounf for a long time IIRC, and then when I did come in, it was playing the famous march rhythms over and over and over and over and over....it was an inportant part though. The other 10 trumpet players has like 3 on Cornet parts. Me and the other guy were basically playing octaves.

    very hard piece to play from an endurance standpoint, and a nightmare if you've never had to count 5/4 time before.


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    posted 01-15-2001 10:51 PM PT (US)     

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    I was given the Sir Georg Solti LP version for my tenth birthday. I think I've heard the Previn version on CD -- library copy, not sure, didn't make a note of it, but it sounded fine.

    Bernard Herrmann conducted a version in London in the early seventies that was not very well received. He went anonymously into a London record store to see if they had it, and the clerk observed "We don't recommend that version" -- immediately followed by, as Herrmann's biographer Steven C. Smith later wrote, "THE WITHERING BLAST!"

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    posted 01-15-2001 11:13 PM PT (US)     

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    Memories..... light the corners of my.... err.... your minds ;-))))

    OKAY, the Dutoit version it is! (for now)
    let's see how it racks up!!!
    Thanks guys and galls.... ;-))

    NP: Mission: Impossible-2/Hans Zimmer ***/*****

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    posted 01-16-2001 12:24 AM PT (US)     

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    I've just finished listening to samples of various interpretations at CDNow, and I think I'll also get the Dutoit recording sooner or later. The instruments on Karajan's version sound great, but his Jupiter is much too fast.

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    posted 01-17-2001 02:36 PM PT (US)     

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    I have a couple of versions of this, but not the Dutoit that seems to get major votes.

    I can't recommend the Herrmann version as anywhere near definitive but it certainly is interesting to listen to after you've heard the piece under different batons. I don't know if Holst had anyhing like this in mind when he wrote the piece though. His version of Mercury is amazing, but it lays the work's inner construction so bare with everything enunciated as to defy belief.

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    posted 01-17-2001 09:04 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
    I have a couple of versions of this, but not the Dutoit that seems to get major votes.

    So, which one would you recommend?

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    posted 01-18-2001 07:21 AM PT (US)     

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    Lou, answer the question!

    Well I just got Andrew Davis' recording for EMI with the Toronto Symphony Orchestra.
    I now know what it is to listen to a good Planets version, as opposed to the crap I hear on them play on radio or the horrible version I already had (Mardjani/Georgian Festival).

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    posted 11-19-2001 07:03 AM PT (US)     

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    There are several versions of The Planets I really like very much and that can be recommended without hesitation. But if I'd have to narrow it down to just one, my choice would be very clear: it's Herbert von Karajan's 1981 recording with the Berlin Philharmonic. This is a splendid performance: Everything fits together here, Karajan manages to focus the diparate planets into a single solar system, so to speak.

    But don't just take my word for it. In early 2000, the Swedish Hi-Fi firm Bang&Olufson and the German music magazin Scala surveyed several music critics to come up with the "300 Greatest Classic Recordings of the Century". It's of course all totally subjective, but here's what they had to say about Karajan's digital "Planets", included in that list: "A wonderful recording which left all rivals in its planetary shadow and which to this very day has no serious contender." This may be a bit of an exaggeration (they have to fill their pages somehow), but it is a darn good recording you can't go wrong with.

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    posted 11-19-2001 08:50 AM PT (US)     

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    Oh, looks like this is an older thread that just popped up again. Anyway, I also highly recommend the Gardiner version mentioned up there, as well as Zubin Mehta's (a bit excentric but well judged). I have not heard the Dutoit or the Laserlight version, but I know the Dutoit version is often lauded highly.

    TimT: The version on Laserlight is an insider tip off; it is on a cheap label without the big stars, but the performance has gotten quite a bit of praise in many places, even on rec.music.classical.

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    posted 11-19-2001 09:03 AM PT (US)     

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    And I was already worried the board had a problem, since I got error messages when trying to reply...turns out that the thread was just moved here after I clicked the "reply" button, but before I could submit my reply.

    Anyway, here's what I wrote:

    Sounds like I have to get the Karajan as well, after all, even though the beginning of Jupiter sounds annoyingly fast-paced to me.

    As for the Dutoit, it IS excellent. And you can hear the organ. I mean, how many of you knew that there IS an organ in Planets? I heard the work in the Vienna Konzerthaus earlier this year, with Dennis Russell Davies conducting the RSO Vienna (it was okayish but not great), and I couldn't hear the organ there.

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    posted 11-19-2001 10:27 AM PT (US)     

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    I have a cheap Naxos recording conducted by Adrian Leaper with the CSR Orchestra. Probably the not the best version of this great work, but servicable.
    I've been wanting to get my hands on the recording Herrmann made for Decca, but cannot find it.

    SFT

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    posted 11-19-2001 10:31 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
    As for the Dutoit, it IS excellent. And you can hear the organ. I mean, how many of you knew that there IS an organ in Planets?

    On the version I had (the Mardjani one) there was an organ-type thing, but it sounded synthesized. On the Davis/Toronto version I got today, the organ is loud and clear.


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    posted 11-19-2001 06:00 PM PT (US)     

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    Now listen up people. There is the ultimate recording of Holst's The Planets and it is this: James Levine/Chicago Symphony Orchestra. DG 429730-2. This cd is a treasure.The performance of Mars is the most powerful ever recorded. I have tons of versions of The Planets and this is the only one that gets its all right in every movement. The tolling bells in Saturn send shivers down my spine. I collect this music and I can tell you this is the ULTIMATE. Pure awesomness.

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