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Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080128h.php If Shore doesn't do the music, I hope that we get another Navarrete score. That would be swell --Brian
posted 01-28-2008 07:15 PM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	Wow! As I've never seen a single Del Toro film, I can't say I have much of an opinion, but from what I've heard about him, I'd say he's one of the more decent choices available.
posted 01-28-2008 07:32 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Good choice, if true. And I'm sure PJ will have to say a word or two about the composer. I'm positive Shore will be on it. I'm quite intrigued by a collaboration between Del Toro and Shore. I see a connection there. Don't ask me why, but I feel it.
posted 01-28-2008 08:33 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I would love del Toro to re-team with old associate Marco Beltrami for this, but there's the strong chance Javier Navarrete would be invited... just as Brian first mentioned and everyone else is thinking.
posted 01-28-2008 09:15 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Its gotta be Shore......Anything less would be uncivilized.
posted 01-28-2008 09:27 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Yes, Shore would work wonders with Del Toro's Gothic imagery. Of course, Danny Elfman is scoring his upcoming Hellboy II, so there could be a strong relationship forming. But anyone who knows my thoughts on Elfman scoring HBII knows who I REALLY think should score The Hobbit. I also hope that Del Toro manages to keep his film distanced from Jackson's LotR trilogy. I'd like to see a more colorful world in this new film, and not the same drab of Peter Jackson's.
posted 01-28-2008 10:54 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: *But anyone who knows my thoughts on Elfman scoring HBII* knows who I REALLY think should score The Hobbit.** Tell us master, who you think should score THE HOBBIT! Do not rely on our feeble intelligence to intuit your wisdom! It is a pity whathisname isn't doing HB2 though. Was enjoying listening to the Hellboy album on the weekend.
posted 01-28-2008 11:43 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Maybe if Beltrami is fresh off an Oscar win for Yuma, he might be more of a possibility? But that's a big maybe. I'm still stoked that Del Toro may be helming this. An inspired choice.
posted 01-28-2008 11:48 PM PT (US)

Kris Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by NeoVoyager: Wow! As I've never seen a single Del Toro film, I can't say I have much of an opinion, but from what I've heard about him, I'd say he's one of the more decent choices available. You should definitely check out HELLBOY and PAN'S LABYRINTH. You'll know he wouldn't be that bad of a choice. BLADE 2 wasn't bad either. Although MIMIC kinda had a lame story, his direction was pretty good. PS: Wouldn't mind seeing Beltrami doing the score.
posted 01-29-2008 01:28 AM PT (US)

Scorro Standard Userer	When I initially saw this title I was trying to imagine Benicio Del Toro playing Bilbo Baggins, and it just wasn't working. A Del Toro score is a different matter altogether.
posted 01-29-2008 10:00 AM PT (US)

Magpie Standard Userer	If you haven't caught it, Doug Adams is hinting at Del Toro on his blog. Look for a recent entry, a iconic comment to this entry, and a vague comment (in best Doug form) on his general discussion thread for January. http://themusicofthelordoftheringsfilms.blogspot.com/
posted 01-29-2008 10:58 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	YAWN ... I don't wanna' hear any pixy/fairy/wimpy The Shire songs in this score.
posted 01-29-2008 01:50 PM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	Well, as an aside, Elfman on Hellboy 2 sucks. Shore's score SHOULD be used purely for continuity...that would have been like someone other than Williams scoring the Star Wars prequels.
posted 01-29-2008 04:44 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: YAWN ... I don't wanna' hear any pixy/fairy/wimpy The Shire songs in this score. Chances are you won't. I don't know what you mean by that, but songs and poems are a major part of Tolkien, and would be a welcome addition to the films if done tastefully.
posted 01-29-2008 05:16 PM PT (US)

StarlessWinter Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: I also hope that Del Toro manages to keep his film distanced from Jackson's LotR trilogy. I'd like to see a more colorful world in this new film, and not the same drab of Peter Jackson's. Personally, I think the look of Jackson's films succeeds because of the realistic, gritty, and dirty feel to it. It helps to make the world all the more real. Take a look at almost every other recent fantasy film, and you will see bright colors and a very polished vision (bright reds, shiny golds, and sky blues). Jackson instead chooses earth tones and paints the images of Tolkien's world as if they actually happened. There is detail in everything. It's a matter of taste though. The shiny, polished look works for some fantasy films and is horrible in others. Because The Lord of the Rings is predominantly a story set in nature, I think the gritty realism is necessary. [Message edited by StarlessWinter on 01-29-2008]
posted 01-29-2008 05:47 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Please, anything but the strong digital grading that plagued many scenes in Return Of The King! At least for the actual Hobbit movie. The Hobbit is more in the realm of fairy tales, and should also feel like that, but please none of those overpolished images!
posted 01-29-2008 06:44 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Please, anything but the strong digital grading that plagued many scenes in Return Of The King! At least for the actual Hobbit movie. The Hobbit is more in the realm of fairy tales, and should also feel like that, but please none of those overpolished images! Exactly.
posted 01-29-2008 07:33 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: Tell us master, who you think should score THE HOBBIT! Do not rely on our feeble intelligence to intuit your wisdom! It is a pity whathisname isn't doing HB2 though. Was enjoying listening to the Hellboy album on the weekend. You practically answered your own question. But I'll spell it out for you, layman. On the cover of the score CD, I'd like to see the following credit: "Music by Marco Beltrami" . . . or "Howard Shore" would work nice, too.
posted 01-29-2008 07:35 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	It's called being rhetorically dumb, master.
posted 01-29-2008 07:45 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Howard Shore is the man. Nobody knows how to expand the world he created better than he himself. And it would be foolish to assume otherwise.
posted 01-29-2008 09:03 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	For my part... Elliot Goldenthal doing this would just make my day. Continuity is good, but so few of these projects come along, and Goldenthal does so few. [Message edited by franz_conrad on 01-29-2008]
posted 01-29-2008 09:12 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Pity for a specific composer doesn't make him right for a specific project.
posted 01-29-2008 09:16 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	I'm not going to see this movie unless it looks radically different than those terrible LotR films. I do want Howard Shore to score it, just for continuity's sake, and also that this might be his last chance to write a score in that particular mood. Marco Beltrami would be welcome too; although, I hope no one tells him to write "modern" music, because he stinks at that.
posted 01-29-2008 09:17 PM PT (US)

StarlessWinter Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Please, anything but the strong digital grading that plagued many scenes in Return Of The King! At least for the actual Hobbit movie. The Hobbit is more in the realm of fairy tales, and should also feel like that, but please none of those overpolished images! Like what images? And nuts_score, I thought you wanted more color? [Message edited by StarlessWinter on 01-29-2008]
posted 01-29-2008 09:17 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Pity for a specific composer doesn't make him right for a specific project. It isn't pity dude. It's called giving the man his due. (With that in mind, I might go and play 'Tribute and Suffrage' from TITUS.) Not that it matters what I think - as with all the Wojciech Kilar talk for LORD OF THE RINGS, it really is just wishful thinking.
posted 01-29-2008 09:27 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Michael, you must keep in mind, our German associate has tunnel and sees only Howard Shore = Lord Of The Rings = Liquid Explosion, and than everything after that is "boring BLAH BLAH BLAH."
posted 01-30-2008 12:06 AM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	Try as I might Sean, I just can't accept that 'tunnel vision' is a good reason not to give the man his due. Respect is all. [Message edited by franz_conrad on 01-30-2008]
posted 01-30-2008 12:44 AM PT (US)

Kris Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: *I'm not going to see this movie unless it looks radically different than those terrible LotR* films. I do want Howard Shore to score it, just for continuity's sake, ... Interesting quote there, my man. On the one hand you mention radically different but then you'd also like some continuity** in the score.
posted 01-30-2008 01:28 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: Michael, you must keep in mind, our German associate has tunnel and sees only Howard Shore = Lord Of The Rings = Liquid Explosion, and than everything after that is "boring BLAH BLAH BLAH." You're a real piece of work, you know that, don't you? What I indeed see is that Howard Shore = Lord Of The Rings. And I don't see why one would take high chances and pick another composer, when Shore's music was both highly acclaimed and brought joy to loads of people. When you talk about giving a man his due, I would like to think that Howard Shore dwelled in the realm of obscure films long enough. His subdued, personal approach is a big win for the "blockbuster" genre, in times when subtlety and personality is anything but a given, no offense to sean's own personal tunnel view when it comes to people who work(ed) for a certain factory in California.
posted 01-30-2008 11:16 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Standard Userer	Goldenthal is one of my very favourite composers, but I just can't imagine a Hobbit score by him. Give him anything at all, just not this one.
posted 01-30-2008 11:19 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Originally posted by Kris: Originally posted by sean: [b]I'm not going to see this movie unless it looks radically different than those terrible LotR films. I do want Howard Shore to score it, just for continuity's sake, ... Interesting quote there, my man. On the one hand you mention radically different but then you'd also like some continuity in the score. [/B] I'm glad you caught my semantics; it was intended to read that way. As for it being radically different, I mean the look of the film from a director's point of view... It can still take place in that realm and have a different air to it: Just look at how great The Empire Strikes Back looks and feels compared to Star Wars, yet they go together like bread-and-butter; Irvin Kershner and Peter Suschitzky brought their A-game to it and gave the Star Wars universe a fresh and inspired look (it's still one of the best looking films I've seen, and the direction is much more apparent that time around when compared to Lucas's "non-style" approach to directing): I want Del Toro to do that with The Hobbit. I don't want to see him try and ape Peter Jackson. [Message edited by sean on 01-30-2008]
posted 01-30-2008 12:51 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: You're a real piece of work, you know that, don't you? Oh please, don't be so kind. As for "taking a chance" in hiring fresh blood to score this film, why not? Shore is a fine choice. But why not pick an equally competent composer? Anyway, do Howard Shore and Peter Jackson even talk to one another after that King Kong fiasco?
posted 01-30-2008 12:54 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: When you talk about giving a man his due, I would like to think that Howard Shore dwelled in the realm of obscure films long enough. I had a revelation in my sleep that really rocked me to the core. It occurred to me that we've been overlooking the obvious. The man whom Peter Jackson wanted to work with all along. I speak, of course, Lenny the Pyramid, Lenny the Piano Teacher, Lenny the Conqueror. LEONARD F$#@$%G ROSENMAN Who else wants to give this man his due? quote: His subdued, personal approach is a big win for the "blockbuster" genre, in times when subtlety and personality is anything but a given, no offense to sean's own personal tunnel view when it comes to people who work(ed) for a certain factory in California. I'd be careful of riling Sean up too much. Two minutes after I posted something that aggrieved him a few days ago, he was on the phone to me, interceding for my hardened heart. We bonded over a mutual dissatisfaction for Mark Isham's 2007.
posted 01-30-2008 02:20 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	LMAO! Michael, too funny! There was, too, a mutual satisfaction that Zimmer won't ever be nominated for an Oscar again.
posted 01-30-2008 03:14 PM PT (US)

budharney Standard Userer	James Newton Howard and Chris P. Bacon should score the Hobbit.
posted 01-30-2008 08:08 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Come on, don't skimp! Why no collaboration between Steve Jablonsky and Motorhead?
posted 01-30-2008 09:00 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Offical!! http://movies.ign.com/articles/849/849112p1.html Again, a Navarrete score would be fantastic, but I'm sure with Jackson as exec producer, Shore will compose Now...who will pen the scripts? --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 02-01-2008]
posted 02-01-2008 07:43 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Can someone confirm whether or not Shore and Jackson would even think of working with one another after King Kong? I mean, hopefully they can get over their differences, but that just seems like a big hurdle to me for them to pass.
posted 02-01-2008 10:15 PM PT (US)

Stargate Standard Userer	Why not? Horner and Cameron got over their problems. So stranger things have happened...
posted 02-01-2008 10:24 PM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: Can someone confirm whether or not Shore and Jackson would even think of working with one another after King Kong? I mean, hopefully they can get over their differences, but that just seems like a big hurdle to me for them to pass. Doug Adams has been gently but persistently telling fans that pose this question that the row that caused Shore's score to be rejected for Kong is in some way not applicable to this project. He also cautions against too much assumption that the relationship between Jackson and Shore is as strained as some seem to think it is.
posted 02-01-2008 11:00 PM PT (US)

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