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katiee85
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After my boss @ UMGD let me .listen to her copy of the Pirates of the Caribbean 2: Dead Man’s Chest Soundtrack, I was a little a skeptical because Hans Zimmer was the head composer and produced the album. I liked the first soundtrack because lots of composers were with him. But when I listened to the second soundtrack, I was blown away by the orchestra sound mixed in with fiddles and accordions. My favorite song has to be He’s a Pirate because that song is classic since it was on the first soundtrack. I like this version too because it is remixed by DJ Tiesto. I love the mixing of techno beats with the original version. I’m going to buy it when it comes out July 4. Who’s going to buy it?
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posted 06-27-2006 02:54 PM PT (US) PeterK
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Maybe one or two people. Say ahoy to your boss for me.
posted 06-27-2006 03:02 PM PT (US) nuts_score
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Zimmerito?
posted 06-27-2006 07:46 PM PT (US) Bond1965
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I haven't seen such a "plant" since the last time I went to a greenhouse.Gimme a break.
James
posted 06-27-2006 07:54 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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I, for one, hate any "remixed" score tracks. Sounds awful.
posted 06-27-2006 08:08 PM PT (US) nuts_score
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I'm with everyone else.
posted 06-27-2006 08:54 PM PT (US) Mark Olivarez
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I'm sure I can find something else to waste my money on, even with all that great fiddle and accordion playing.
posted 06-27-2006 10:04 PM PT (US) sean
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
I'm sure I can find something else to waste my money on, even with all that great fiddle and accordion playing.Like pornography?
posted 06-27-2006 11:24 PM PT (US) Dalboz
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SCORES AND PORN!
:: sings :: "scores and porn and scores and porn and scores and porn ..."
posted 06-27-2006 11:44 PM PT (US) PeterK
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Wow, I listened to all of the first 2 1/2 tracks of this and... wow. "The Kraken" is the worst piece of music I've heard in a long time. There may be a few seconds on either end of the track that are interesting, but those 5 minutes in between sounds like Hans Zimmer woke up one night, forgot how to "compose," but recorded anyway. This is hardly refined synth work that Zimmer (or whomever) has created in the past. It sounds like some keyboardist for a middle-of-the-road 80s rock band decided to write a new rock song with sampled orchestra pieces and headache-inducing keyboard chords and canned percussion. Man, I was hoping for something better than this....
posted 07-03-2006 09:55 AM PT (US) sean
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by PeterK:
Wow, I listened to all of the first 2 1/2 tracks of this and... wow. "The Kraken" is the worst piece of music I've heard in a long time. There may be a few seconds on either end of the track that are interesting, but those 5 minutes in between sounds like Hans Zimmer woke up one night, forgot how to "compose," but recorded anyway. This is hardly refined synth work that Zimmer (or whomever) has created in the past. It sounds like some keyboardist for a middle-of-the-road 80s rock band decided to write a new rock song with sampled orchestra pieces and headache-inducing keyboard chords and canned percussion. Man, I was hoping for something better than this.... <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL!!! Well, Peter, I disagree completely... it's sounds amazing! I can't get past track 2, it's too cool.
[Message edited by sean on 07-03-2006]
posted 07-03-2006 10:54 AM PT (US) PeterK
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Why is it so amazing? There is no reason to claim this specific track is so amazing, as Zimmer has done this stuff before on countless occasions, and with much better prowess every time.
posted 07-03-2006 10:59 AM PT (US) PeterK
FishChip
And why do I feel essentially the same as what this guy has written, even though I stop cold 8 minutes into this CD?
posted 07-03-2006 11:02 AM PT (US) PeterK
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And a technical issue (which is also can be creative insult):The latter part of track 4 beautifully showcases the Pirates theme from the first movie, music by Klaus Badelt. Yet... nowhere on the CD inserts is there any credit given to those tracks using Badelt's music.
The liner notes credit the bonus track to Zimmer, Badelt and Zanelli, but that's the only place I can find appropriate credits.
Alright, I am done for today. Gotta go do crazy 4th of July stuff (as if wasting my time on these posts isn't crazy enough)....
posted 07-03-2006 11:21 AM PT (US) Alwin
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The trance remix at the end of the cd release is unforgivable and smacks of catering to whomever listens to trance these days. You can barely hear the original material (such as it is) buried under the pulsating beats.As a whole (and yes, I have heard the full album), I must say that I really enjoyed the cd release. Through my first two or three careful listens, the occasional nod to Badelt's material is nicely placed and welcomed for sure.
As for Zimmer, there's the usual divide. I think most people cannot, nor will not accept this score as a worthy pirate movie score.
It sounds like Crimson Tide, The Peacemaker, etc. etc. There's no doubt, but for me, it works. It's enjoyable.
I don't have the music vocabulary to properly articulate my thoughts, but the Jack Sparrow waltz piece was nicely well done and I look forward to seeing how it plays out on-screen. There's a comedic - almost playful nature to it. The Kraken and Davey cues are also standouts to me.
We shall see in the end, whether sales figures and/or critical disdain/acclaim win out.
posted 07-03-2006 11:50 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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I find it very amusing that amazon sells its copies of Pirates 2 for 9.99 $ instead of 18.98 $.No wonder these sell like hotcakes.
posted 07-03-2006 01:42 PM PT (US) tjguitar
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yeah i saw that yesterday. I had it pre-ordered at 12.99 but i cancelled and got the 9.99 deal :-D
posted 07-03-2006 04:01 PM PT (US) sean
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quote:
Originally posted by PeterK:
And a technical issue (which is also can be creative insult):The latter part of track 4 beautifully showcases the Pirates theme from the first movie, music by Klaus Badelt. Yet... nowhere on the CD inserts is there any credit given to those tracks using Badelt's music.
The liner notes credit the bonus track to Zimmer, Badelt and Zanelli, but that's the only place I can find appropriate credits.
Peter, there's an easy explanation for your funny frustration: Hans Zimmer wrote the themes for Pirates Of The Caribbean and then handed them over to Klaus Badelt; since the themes are blatant (if not exact) rip-offs and re-threads of music from The Rock ("Hummels Gets The Rockets" vs. "Barbossa Is Hungry"), Gladiator ("The Battle," "Barbarian Horde" vs. "The Black Pearl," "He's A Pirate"), Drop Zone ("Too Many Notes, Not Enough Rests" vs. "Skull And Crossbones"), and Black Hawk Down ("Tribal War" vs. Swords Crossed"), it'd be pretty horrendous if Ms. Badelt were to get credit for that. (Which, he kinda got on the first film, save for the "Music Overproduced by Hans Zimmer" credit on the disc.)
Zimmer: "I actually did write the themes for the first Pirates movie, but they all got written in one day and one night. Now, I'm not saying that makes them good or bad, I'm just saying I did manage to come up with a whole load of ideas in one day and one night; so I don't know why this one [Pirates 2] is taking so much longer."
Source: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5421359
The "one day and one night" comment: Well, that's pretty darned obvious! and makes a lot of concerns and frustrations with the first score become crystal clear (if it wasn't so obvious already).
So, Peter, basically, you like Zimmer's version of his own theme better than Badelt's version of Zimmer's theme. Me too, I agree, it's much better than the spin Lady Kalus put on it.
As for "The Karken": You just didn't respond to the music, and I did. Simple as that.
posted 07-03-2006 05:08 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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Zimmer: "I actually did write the themes for the first Pirates movie, but they all got written in one day and one night. Now, I'm not saying that makes them good or bad, I'm just saying I did manage to come up with a whole load of ideas in one day and one night; so I don't know why this one [Pirates 2] is taking so much longer."Well, here's a hunch: the worse and the rushed your primary material is, the more difficulty you have in adapting it to new situations.
posted 07-03-2006 05:40 PM PT (US) Mark Olivarez
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Originally posted by PeterK:
Wow, I listened to all of the first 2 1/2 tracks of this and... wow. "The Kraken" is the worst piece of music I've heard in a long time. There may be a few seconds on either end of the track that are interesting, but those 5 minutes in between sounds like Hans Zimmer woke up one night, forgot how to "compose," but recorded anyway. This is hardly refined synth work that Zimmer (or whomever) has created in the past. It sounds like some keyboardist for a middle-of-the-road 80s rock band decided to write a new rock song with sampled orchestra pieces and headache-inducing keyboard chords and canned percussion. Man, I was hoping for something better than this....Geez PK its Hans Zimmer, you can't tell me you were expecting a good ole fashioned Pirate score or that this crap being passed as music would be any good now did you?
[Message edited by Mark Olivarez on 07-03-2006]
posted 07-03-2006 05:44 PM PT (US) sean
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Originally posted by gkgyver:
Well, here's a hunch: the worse and the rushed your primary material is, the more difficulty you have in adapting it to new situations.Yeah, no kidding.
posted 07-03-2006 05:47 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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Alright, I'm listening to this pile of Vangelis lite, The Kraken specifically, for the first time, and did no one notice the BLATANT Batman Begins ripoff there?Can't Zimmer record himself through ONE year without repeating himself?
I noticed that Zimmer's latest scores draw lots of their material from Batman Begins.
If this is the kind of score he now draws his material from, then I guess the end is nigh.posted 07-03-2006 06:36 PM PT (US) sean
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Originally posted by gkgyver:
If this is the kind of score he now draws his material from, then I guess the end is nigh.David Thewlis should have kept saying "The end is nigh, Bri! The end is nigh, Bri!" in Basic Instinct 2. It would have been far more funny, that's for sure!
posted 07-03-2006 07:01 PM PT (US) PeterK
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Ok, Sean, so the music credit is backwards (I guess I haven't cared enough to remember this, although now I'm recalling it), but logically my concern remains. There's no credit (other than "overproducer") for Zimmer on POTC1 then. Who are these brainiacs, and just what exactly does this sort of thing mean? That's what I thought... with all this tossing of names around when it comes to crediting music from the MVRC gang, no wonder it is what it is. You can have 10 guys wallpaper a house in a day, but you can't have Michaelangelo paint the ceilings in a day, much less a year.And no, you are wrong when you say I didn't respond to the music. My response was huge. Just because it wasn't pretty doesn't mean it can't go down in the books!
I'm gonna give this a better listen right now... skipping "The Kraken" for now (come on, how many times can you sample a single cello note... this same exact note appears at least 250,000 times in this one track, with absolutely no identifiable human touch... the note is a perfect shape every time).
Mark O, I must be losing my mind to give this a chance!!! But what if this was Korngold score, advantaged by modern recording technologies? Holy cow.... wait. If only Patrick Doyle could have written this score. Korngold was an opera man, Doyle is the closest living composer who can write operatic film music... drooling at that thought, which unfortunately makes me just laugh at this latest Zimmer piece. This new Zimmer stuff might be "good," but it's hardly really good.
posted 07-03-2006 09:24 PM PT (US) nuts_score
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It makes me wonder what Silvestri's original PotC could have sounded like. Too bad he had to give The Mummy Returns a good score and leave PotC in the dust with a repetitive, loud, and boring score from Badelt. But Doyle is a good choice; perhaps someday someone (ie. me) will resurrect those old Harryhausen Sinbad flicks with a slick update and would want Patrick Doyle's submission.
posted 07-03-2006 10:17 PM PT (US) Christian Kühn
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Copyright Zimmerito(Nautilus/whatever his name is:"after so personal attacks agains Zimmer I decided to say something to clemmensen (in fact my question for Zimmer in Madrid was about that) and he banned me from his site (No bad words or strong language, only some "truths" .No problem here. But Im just curious about POtC 2 reviews.
How I said, this time Im agree with clemmensen.( I never though it was possible).And it’s not because this score doesn’t sound like Korngold.it’s because it’s unfocused, because it’s predictable and boring, and because still sounds like a demo......
Well, He said to me he spend a lot of time reading about religious music.Ok Hans, you must spend a little more time reading about symphonic music or at least trying to do another Muppet treasure island colorfull orchestral score."
Right. That's got that cleared up, no?
CK
posted 07-04-2006 03:38 AM PT (US) sean
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Well, I wouldn't listen to anything Clemensen has to say in his reviews because a) he gives James Horner some of the most favourable reviews for his worst efforts; and b) he doesn't actually listen to film music for fun, and only does it because of the amount of hits his site gets—what fun!: film music reviews by someone who doesn't even enjoy it; this and his reviews are incredibly unfocused from score to score (just read his Superman Returns review, WOW!).
posted 07-04-2006 11:13 AM PT (US) Bagtatta
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I've heard the CD a couple of times..and it's not that bad. The guitar isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, fortunately it's only there for like seconds. Some of it's a letdown but I overall enjoyed it. My favorite track of course is the second shortest one, "Dinner Is Served." It was worth it though..but not as good as I was hoping it to be. And oh yeah, they need to stop adding these damn *BONUS* tracks on these CD's..Jesus man. Just put more score on it, no one gives a **** about DJ Tiesto and a remix he did that barely resembles the original..
posted 07-04-2006 01:09 PM PT (US) PeterK
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Yeah no kidding! Zimmer's Muppet Treasure Island was great, if I recall (I do know that I listened to it more than once or twice, which says something). What an interesting comparison this should make.... I'll start this whole thing over with a new topic.
posted 07-05-2006 12:22 AM PT (US) nuts_score
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Is this the most replies a single spammer has recieved on this site?
posted 07-05-2006 05:49 PM PT (US) scoreguy16
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Has anyone else noticed that one of the themes from Horner's Legends of the Fall is also on this Pirates 2 CD? It's first heard in track 3... it's not an EXACT copy, but it's dangerously close.Clayton
posted 07-08-2006 06:51 PM PT (US) sean
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Originally posted by scoreguy16:
Has anyone else noticed that one of the themes from Horner's Legends of the Fall is also on this Pirates 2 CD? It's first heard in track 3... it's not an EXACT copy, but it's dangerously close.Clayton
Clayton: Chuck Norris doesn't sleep, HE waits!
posted 07-08-2006 09:40 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB