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Kevin Standard Userer	Just goes to show that Varese should have limited it to one or two per person. That way the idiots who buy them all and then put them on Ebay don't get the chance.
posted 11-21-2005 03:46 PM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	Yes and that is the issue right there. If Varese is not going to put a cap on orders, then it is fair game for anyone to buy as many copies as they can fit on a credit card until it says TILT. Pointing the finger at any of the mail order companies is pointless.
posted 11-21-2005 04:11 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	The finger is being pointed at one (not any) mail order house simply because of what they have decided to do, and very much makes a point (the pointy finger, the pointy finger!). It's not cool, Mike. Take a step out for a moment and see. You can still be friends with them, and their professionalism can still be uncool. I'd like to see caps put on orders exactly because of what buysoundtrax is doing. That's the point. If a cap won't happen, more resentment will. Which would you like to see? I have a bunch of customers who won't even hear about the TOP SECRET news until Christmas, and thankfully I happened to be awake last night when the messages started coming in (honestly, I had forgotten the titles would be coming). I now have copies for the latecomers. Let's discuss if anyone thinks more needs to be said!
posted 11-21-2005 05:08 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	I'd like to think the idea behind printing merely 2000 copies was because there are precious few fans in the community who would be inclined to seek out rare scores at the label's source, rather than at the retailer. However, the under-24 hours turnaround/mark-up that this has become is completely ridiculous. I'm not even arguing the whole free market/capitalist idea. Yeah, some (usually the profiteers) cry "tough cookies." I'm protesting the idea of it all. I'm not even interested in this particular score! I could have been interested if it had a chance to "breathe" in the community, maybe get some community feedback. But at this point? There's no joy here. Let buysoundtrax or whomever choke on the score....those tactics are opportunistic and they do remove the pleasure of being a film score enthusiast. As much as I strive towards it, I'm not an industry insider, or a music producer...I'm on the lowest rung of rungs--a part-time retail associate. I don't know how much I feel a part of the community here. I like to think I contribute enough, but ultimately, rarely have anything to offer. I am drawn to the idea of a community of those who can enjoy, discuss, and collect film music, while supporting and celebrating the artists who produce that music, and the medium which features it. Most of us here should at least feel equal in that respect. So, I try to contribute on such issues at least on princple. [Message edited by Lancelot on 11-21-2005]
posted 11-21-2005 05:14 PM PT (US)

Kris Standard Userer	I actually have some friends who don't access the internet on a regular basis. They don't even stand a chance of getting a Varese Club CD if it weren't for me. I committed myself to buying them a few copies. Unfortunatly it seems that I have to make faster decisions. I'm glad that Varese puts their releases up on Monday morning ... European time.
posted 11-22-2005 12:59 AM PT (US)

Mark Standard Userer	Pete you think limits on ordering will stop the bastards? Limited editions are designed to sell out so this stuff will happen eventually. The only answer that won't make me so mad is if more albums can be made. Look at Loch Ness. Sold out fast but then 1000 more were made and its still available after 3 or 4 mos.
posted 11-22-2005 09:50 AM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	My suggestion would be to cap sales for a week or maybe till it starts to ship and give collectors a chance to buy it direct and then, if they still want to, let everyone buy as many copies as they want. Surely some of this buying is pure frenzy because of fear and expectation that it will sell out. Customers who want to order elsewhere would still get the same service and scalpers will be less likely to prosper. BMikeJ, you can defend Buysoundtrax as much as you want, but this does stink. 100% markup in less than 24 hours? I have read their rationale on other threads (The Kindred, I think), on other boards and it just doesn’t wash. Buy up as much as you can to make ensure it sells out, keystone it and then not offer it to your customers except through E-bay? Luckily, there are plenty of other places to buy soundtracks on the web and I will simply add Buysoundtrax to my list of others who don’t get a penny of my money. They are in good company with the RIAA and the record labels, another outfit that likes to abuse it’s customer base.
posted 11-22-2005 11:08 AM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Mark: Pete you think limits on ordering will stop the bastards? Limited editions are designed to sell out so this stuff will happen eventually. The only answer that won't make me so mad is if more albums can be made. Look at Loch Ness. Sold out fast but then 1000 more were made and its still available after 3 or 4 mos. Selling out doesn't bother me. I just think collectors should have a chance to get the thing direct without staying up to the wee hours and planning their schedules around relases times. A cap like I suggested should do the trick.
posted 11-22-2005 11:11 AM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	As long as Varese makes it possible for this sort of thing to happen, it will. The mail order houses don't get any special discounts for buying the Club titles. They pay what everybody else pays. That being said, they can do whatever they want with the copies they've ordered. This is capitalism in action. The only way to stop it is for Varese to put a cap on how many copies a person can order and I doubt they will do that. Why would they slow down the money machine?
posted 11-22-2005 06:19 PM PT (US)

starblade Standard Userer	It is not necessarily right or acceptable to do a thing just because you CAN do a thing........
posted 11-27-2005 09:01 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	Why would they want to slow down the money machine? Why do they go to the bother of annoucing record releases, and posting prices? Why don't they just go straight to the middle-man, and we can just assume that we don't already pay enough at standard outlets and retailers for soundtrack CDs. Varese can just distribute to select outlets, and we can assume that we'll pay 200% on produced discs.
posted 11-27-2005 09:20 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	as long as BSX pays the full price for each copy, they aren't doing anything wrong. If people didn't pay their outrageous prices, then they wouldn't buy so many. Thats the problem right there. People give in because they want it bad enough, if people just didn't pay the outrageous prices, then the sellers would be forced to lower their prices and on future titles they wouldn't order as many and there would be more available for the fans. I doubt that companies like BuySoundtrax would buy so many copies if they couldn't sell them. If people don't pay the prices that they ask for, then they woulldn't be making any money. Obviously the easiest solution would be for Varese to put a cap, but if people don't continue to fund BSX and give them those major profits, it wouldn't even be an issue.
posted 11-27-2005 09:23 PM PT (US)

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