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Wickenstein

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Apparently, Alien is going to be rereleased with cut footage reinserted into the movie. Also, the soundtrack will be remastered!
http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=70The good news is that might mean we'll be getting Goldsmith's most brilliant work in an expanded form on CD. Maybe the music will be restored to it's original form within the movie as well.
I think that this might also be bad news. I think the original Alien film is a masterpiece and not to be tampered this much with. I'm all for reinserting Goldsmith's score, but I've see the cut scenes and most of them were cut for a reason. The Dallas Cocoon scene might work well if placed in the proper place, as will the alien transmission scene. Much of the rest is redundant and only serves to slow the movie.
This makes me wonder if perhaps the scene where the alien gets trapped in the airlock might somehow be finished. It was interesting to read about, but it was my understanding that it was never completed.
Anyways, we have the original on DVD, so I guess this isn't so bad. Any excuse to give us a complete score is good.
posted 05-27-2003 07:12 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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Remember that 9-disc Alien Legacy box set coming out this fall? Well.. supposedly each of the films will have two cuts on it (seamless branching) which means we'll have the new cut of ALIEN on DVD along with the original cut, on one disc.Dan
[Message edited by dgoldwas on 05-27-2003]
posted 05-27-2003 07:14 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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And I do have the old DVD box set as well anyway, which I'll have to keep because as far as I remember the new one won't include the iso scores.I can't wait to see Fincher's original cut of Alien³. I'm one of the many people who consider the first movie the best of the series, but also one of the few who think that ³ is just as great.
And yes, let's hope for a new score release. I'm happy with the 2CD set I made from the iso scores, but the whole thing with remastered sound would be a blessing.
posted 05-27-2003 08:19 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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It's gonna be one bad ass BOX set
--Brian
posted 05-27-2003 11:52 PM PT (US) 
Foobsie
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quote:
Originally posted by Wickenstein:
Apparently, Alien is going to be rereleased with cut footage reinserted into the movie. Also, the soundtrack will be remastered!
http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=70The good news is that might mean we'll be getting Goldsmith's most brilliant work in an expanded form on CD. Maybe the music will be restored to it's original form within the movie as well.
I think that this might also be bad news. I think the original Alien film is a masterpiece and not to be tampered this much with. I'm all for reinserting Goldsmith's score, but I've see the cut scenes and most of them were cut for a reason. The Dallas Cocoon scene might work well if placed in the proper place, as will the alien transmission scene. Much of the rest is redundant and only serves to slow the movie.
This makes me wonder if perhaps the scene where the alien gets trapped in the airlock might somehow be finished. It was interesting to read about, but it was my understanding that it was never completed.
Anyways, we have the original on DVD, so I guess this isn't so bad. Any excuse to give us a complete score is good.
Hate to tell ya... but when they talk about a soundtrack in this fashion.. they mean everything: music, effects, dialogue, etc... that will all be remastered in one pass.FoobsZ
posted 05-28-2003 12:58 AM PT (US) 
Wickenstein

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Hey, I know that remastering a FILM's soundtrack means the dialogue, sound effects, etc. What I'm talking about is merely speculation on a new album release. Look at other theater rereleases: the Star Wars Trilogy, ET, Apocalypse Now. They all recieved expanded albums.As for the nine disc release, it's never been confirmed that Alien would have an extended cut so I wouldn't treat this as old news. If anyone read the article, it's about the movie being put back into theaters in October. If the 9-disc set has a Fall release date, then wouldn't it be a little strange that they release the same cut of a movie on DVD around the same time?
Marian- I think Alien3's great too (movie AND score). I'm also very excited about the possibility of seeing Fincher's original cut. What I always wondered was whether Goldenthal scored Fincher's cut or the studios. If he did Fincher's, it would be interesting to see what music got cut out. I remember that the Alien3 album has some differences that might or might not just be album reediting.
posted 05-28-2003 07:36 AM PT (US) 
SEBULBA

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There was an article I read which stated that some of Goldsmith's score may be reinserted to accomodate the additional footage. So we may have not only remastered music with all the audio, but some of Goldsmith's previously unused music included. Here's hoping.
posted 05-28-2003 08:23 AM PT (US) 
Ed
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I fully expect that some one will soon reissue Jerry's score with more music, probably soon.Dark Horizons is reporting that ALIEN is being readied for a limited theatical reissue in the fall, followed by a reissue next spring of Cameron's extended cut of ALIENS. Again, this suggests an opportunity to reissue their soundtracks.
I absolutely despised #'s 3 and 4, but I know others here appreciate them more than I can.
I'm sorry that ALIEN is being recut, though. None of the cut scenes I've seen added up to much, and the movie works fine as it is. STAR WARS comes to mind: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
posted 05-28-2003 04:13 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by Ed:
Again, this suggests an opportunity to reissue their soundtracks.I doubt there'll be yet another release of Aliens soon after the lenghty Varese Deluxe CD. But I also believe that it can't take too much longer until they release an expanded CD with the first score - but then, I've been thinking and saying that about the Indy scores for months...
NP: The Matrix Reloaded (Don Davis & Co)
posted 05-28-2003 05:01 PM PT (US) 
SEBULBA

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As far as an ALIENS soundtrack goes, what Varese gave us is basically everything that appeared in the movie. I do know however, that Horner composed around 100 min. of music for the movie. And only around 60 min. appeared in the film. So there definately could be a 2 cd set made if they wanted.
posted 05-28-2003 05:07 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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Alien would be the perfect score to resurrect the "Non-Club Non-Limited Wide Release Deluxe Edition" from Varese.
posted 05-28-2003 07:20 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by jonathan_little:
Alien would be the perfect score to resurrect the "Non-Club Non-Limited Wide Release Deluxe Edition" from Varese.Yeah, but doesn't Silva still own the rights to ALIEN? I know it was discussed here: http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/007687.html
... but has anything changed since then?
Dan
posted 05-28-2003 08:03 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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Well, Silva's rights to Omen II evidently expired, so I was hoping that the same might be true for Alien. If Silva still has the rights to it, I hope they'd at least reissue their album like they did for Legend.
posted 05-29-2003 10:24 AM PT (US) 
Ed
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quote:
Originally posted by SEBULBA:
I do know however, that Horner composed around 100 min. of music for the movie. And only around 60 min. appeared in the film.You and Marian are right, there's no need to do another ALIENS soundtrack. I was thinking more of a reissue with new cover art to match the key art for the film reissues.
I heard the full score as part of my work about eight years ago, and I believe the Varese CD is complete. The only exceptions are several short "stinger" cues and a percussion-only cue for the "Dropship" sequence. I will take another look at the cd later to check that out. I don't know where the 100 min. figure comes from, but I don't think the score was ever that long. Cameron was unhappy with it, though, so there may have been a few alternate orchestrations attempted at the sessions, but on the whole the film had a tight budget (including music) so I doubt Horner had the time or the means to do any additional music.
ALIEN is another story, though. I'd like to see all of Jerry's original score assembled (in order) followed by his alternates. The extra "temp" cues don't need to be included (but I will recommend Delos' recording of Hanson's Symphony #2 for those who desire it).
posted 05-29-2003 10:43 AM PT (US) 
SEBULBA

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The 100 min. figure came from Horner himself in an interview in a Hollywood Reporter I beleive. I'll have to see if I have that issue. I try to hang on to composer issues. But much of that music was unused. Example: The last 5 cues on the Varese release are unused cues. Or maybe he composed that much, but didn't record that much. I'll have to see if I can find the interview. But I agree, the Varese Deluxe release represents the movies score quite well.
posted 05-29-2003 10:47 AM PT (US) 
mtodd
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quote:
Originally posted by dgoldwas:
Remember that 9-disc Alien Legacy box set coming out this fall? Well.. supposedly each of the films will have two cuts on it (seamless branching) which means we'll have the new cut of ALIEN on DVD along with the original cut, on one disc.Dan
[Message edited by dgoldwas on 05-27-2003]
So there would be 5 dics of supplementary material? Thats a lot of supplements!Mark
posted 05-29-2003 11:01 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by mtodd:
So there would be 5 dics of supplementary material? Thats a lot of supplements!Yup. The stuff I'm hearing about for this set is gonna be unbelievable.
Dan
posted 05-29-2003 11:30 AM PT (US) 
Pete M

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Yeah, each film should be a two-discer, plus then an extra disc, quite possibly including the Alien docu from the current set, & the Alien Evolution docu hosted by Mark Kermode that's shown on UK TV a couple of times. Of course, it's too early to say for sure...
And my understanding is that Alien3 won't be a true "Director's Cut", but will simply include all of the original footage into the film, as basically a work cut - which would therefore have things which Fincher could well have wanted cut out of the finished film.
posted 05-30-2003 05:09 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by Pete M:
And my understanding is that Alien3 won't be a true "Director's Cut", but will simply include all of the original footage into the film, as basically a work cut - which would therefore have things which Fincher could well have wanted cut out of the finished film.Actually, last I had heard (oh, wednesday), Fincher is now involved with the ALIEN 3 discs.
As for the other stuff you mentioned, I think it's most likely that all new material will be included on the disc, to include the UK stuff would involve legal rights negotiations etc.... But if they had to include something, it would be nice to put that AMC Alien Legacy documentary on there!!
Dan
[Message edited by dgoldwas on 05-30-2003]
posted 05-30-2003 05:18 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I do hope they include that documentary from the old set...because I have the old US box with the coupon, but never had the chance to get the docu DVD.
posted 05-30-2003 05:35 PM PT (US) 
SEBULBA

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The docu from the Legacy set is pretty good. I ordered it right away. It IS however a docu on ALIEN only. Not all the alien films. Not that that's bad. It's a good docu.
posted 05-30-2003 05:44 PM PT (US) 
Ed
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quote:
Originally posted by SEBULBA:
The 100 min. figure came from Horner himself in an interview in a Hollywood Reporter I beleive. I'll have to see if I have that issue. I try to hang on to composer issues. But much of that music was unused. Example: The last 5 cues on the Varese release are unused cues. Or maybe he composed that much, but didn't record that much. I'll have to see if I can find the interview. But I agree, the Varese Deluxe release represents the movies score quite well.I checked out the note I made on the ALIENS score tape when I heard it and I can tell you that EVERYTHING that I heard is on the CD; the alternates were not on that tape except the "Combat Drop" percussion cue, so the CD has more than I thought.
So I would guess that if there were 100 mins. of music written or recorded, they are probably more alternates.
Horner never did get around to thanking Aram Khatchaturian for use of his "Adagio" from the Gayaneh Ballet. Or Goldsmith for the echoing triplets.
posted 05-31-2003 10:49 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Mark Kermode's documentary will be on disc 9.Dan (UK)
posted 05-31-2003 11:18 AM PT (US) 
SEBULBA

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Definately what's represented on the Varese release is basically ALL that was in the film. And yes, any more music would be alternate cues. And again, he may have written that much, but not recorded it all. I haven't been able to find the interview to double check.
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