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John Zimmer Oscar® Winner	Is it just me or are Badlet and Tyler the only 2 composers in Hollywood right now? I don't care if I haven't heard Silvestri's score or not but, SILVESTRI KICKS BADLET'S PALE LITTLE BOOTY!!! Jz
posted 05-05-2003 05:15 AM PT (US)

ESB Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by John Zimmer: Is it just me or are Badlet and Tyler the only 2 composers in Hollywood right now? I don't care if I haven't heard Silvestri's score or not but, SILVESTRI KICKS BADLET'S PALE LITTLE BOOTY!!! Jz Heheh, nice talking John Although Silvestri is not the kind of person to kick someone's butt. They better get one hell of a composer onboard if they want to save this film (firing a composer usually points to a disappointing movie). Well, my interest in this film has dropped below zero anyway. BTW, I heard Silvestri already wrote some really exciting stuff. So it really confuses and irritates me. If Bruckheimer (who's in charge on this film) hires one of those Zimmer clones at MV that will score a standard-MV-synthesizer score for a Pirate movie it will get me falling of my chair with amazement! But then again it would be very predictable on a Bruckheimer film. Because wasn't Silvestri the only exception to the rule on this film?
posted 05-05-2003 07:36 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	If they end up going with someone from Media Ventures, it shouldn't be surprising not because of Bruckheimer, but because of Gore Verbinski. Gore worked with Zimmer (et al) on THE RING. He also in-a-sense worked with Badelt on THE TIME MACHINE when he took over for Simon Wells. Until another composer is announced, all of this bitching and moaning is wasted energy. Dan
posted 05-05-2003 07:41 AM PT (US)

ESB Oscar® Winner	Come on Dan, don't you think it's logical that a lot of people are disappointed? Isn't it human to express your disappointment? I'm sure a fired composer won't mind that persons are disappointed. Or do you want everybody to be indifferent about it? Think about the fired composers for once instead of those 'poor struggling' studios/producers (also pointing to your statement that it could be the fault of the composers that they suddenly are getting fired these last months). Maybe you're one of the few who thinks the Hollywood system is the perfect new world. But sometimes it sucks and I'm entitled to give my opinion about it.
posted 05-05-2003 07:57 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by ESB: Come on Dan, don't you think it's logical that a lot of people are disappointed? Isn't it human to express your disappointment? Yeah, sure - everyone can express their disappointment! That's not what I was talking about. I was saying it's a bit much to bitch and moan about the IDEA that MAYBE someone you don't like might POSSIBLY be hired.... when no such announcement has been made. It's wasted energy. quote: Think about the fired composers for once instead of those 'poor struggling' studios/producers (also pointing to your statement that it could be the fault of the composers that they suddenly are getting fired these last months). Whoa! Where did THAT come from??? I never said I felt sorry for the studios/producers. How about you don't put words in my mouth, okay? quote: Maybe you're one of the few who thinks the Hollywood system is the perfect new world. Uh, no, I never said that, nor do I feel that's the case. Sounds like you're a bit bitter about something...... Dan
posted 05-05-2003 08:28 AM PT (US)

Kris Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: ... Gore worked with Zimmer (et al) on THE RING. He also in-a-sense worked with Badelt on THE TIME MACHINE when he took over for Simon Wells. ... Having heard Badelt's Ned Kelly, I really think he'd be a good choice for PIRATES.
posted 05-05-2003 08:46 AM PT (US)

rkeaveney Oscar® Winner	Why don't they just track in MUPPET TREASURE ISLAND? "Shiver my timbers..." Ryan
posted 05-05-2003 09:18 AM PT (US)

ESB Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: Sounds like you're a bit bitter about something...... Dan Yeah, well sorry I'm a bit grouchy today Still haven't got my Identity score in (it seems something went wrong) This combined with Alan's bad luck on Pirates gets me bitching about all sort of things and innocent composers. But I just thought you've put too much emphasis on the other (evil) studio side. But I see you probably don't mean it that way and did it to balance the discussion a bit. But beware my friend, the more time you spend in the film music world like you do, the more danger there is that you will become like Ford Thaxton. Eeek!
posted 05-05-2003 10:05 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by ESB: But I just thought you've put too much emphasis on the other (evil) studio side. What gave you that impression?? And secondly, what makes you necessarily think it was the "(evil) studio" that decided to toss the score in the first place?? I'm trying to take an objective view on this - doesn't mean I'm not bummed about it; I really DID wanna hear Silvestri's score! I was all excited for it! But let's not jump to conclusions and say that the studio is "evil" and that I'm necessarily on one side or the other, just cause I question the reasons, instead of pound my fists and cry. quote: But beware my friend, the more time you spend in the film music world like you do, the more danger there is that you will become like Ford Thaxton. Eeek! Wow - that has nothing to do with anything, and invoking Ford into this discussion reveals plenty! (And are you suggesting that ANYONE spending time in the film music world is gonna end up like Ford? What kind of silly crack-pot comment is that???) Dan
posted 05-05-2003 11:02 AM PT (US)

Quill Oscar® Winner	Expectations are fine Dinko...I have them too. My point is...you expectations appear to define your reality. Over the years I have noticed that rarely do folks like yourself, who are outright detractors of Composer A, actually come back and admit to enjoying a given score after finally hearing it. You don't even have to enjoy, merely giving it a nod that it serviced the film will do. Instead the answer is...I have been listening to film scores for so long that my expectations about a given score are never wrong. I will never suggest you quit posting (Shutting up, as you suggested), but I have been and always will be a proponent of judging every individual score after having heard it in the film. The comment, "It will be done by MediaVentures, and will consist of synth-pounding blah...blah...blah," is getting old very fast.
posted 05-05-2003 11:26 AM PT (US)

ESB Oscar® Winner	Gee Dan lighten up. It looks like you are bitter about something. Are your CD orders coming in okay? :-) (bad joke) Maybe you didn't noticed but you haven't mentioned one word about how disappointed you are about that Silvestri has been released for Pirates. And some quotes: "And this is why the composers (like Goldenthal) think the fans are insane freaks....." "More specifically, and more realistically - shouldn't you be asking what's up with film composers these days?? Clearly they're not delivering what they're being asked to produce..." And you think it's strange that I get the wrong impression? I cannot read your thoughts can I? And about Ford, one characteristic is that he always looks coldly on matters from the perspective of producers and money. That's all. I'm not saying you're like him (not at all). But the above quotes and the total lack of mentioning disappointment (until just now) gave me a slight idea that some 'cold management' characteristics are creeping in. But I see you now have expressed your disappointment...
posted 05-05-2003 11:33 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	LOL ESB! Ok, next time I'll lament the tossed score, and THEN go into my reasons. Happy? Dan
posted 05-05-2003 11:36 AM PT (US)

ESB Oscar® Winner	Now, that's more like it
posted 05-05-2003 11:45 AM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Quill, thank you for those comments. It's interesting to see what impression others get. I did not have that impression of myself as a complete detractor of Composer X. I don't think I've ever been an outright detractor of any composer. Perhaps a whole period of a composer's career, but not his whole output. Still, I can see what you mean about detractors in general. I stand by the expectations theory however. A composer may use an erhu instead of a synth, but as George Fenton (?) once said, a given composer will almost always arrange the notes in a given way - that's how we recognize a composer's style. Given how predictable movies have become, it is always rather easy to predict what a score will end up sounding like only by looking at 1) what formula the movie is following, 2) who the film makers are, and 3) who is scoring it. (Suddenly all that theory about 'genre' comes back. ) I'll leave the synth banging argument for another day.
posted 05-05-2003 12:37 PM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Oscar® Winner	So HAS there been any word on a replacement yet? Time's running out for the composer to come aboard, write and record something before the release date... Joe NP - X2 (Ottman)
posted 05-05-2003 03:13 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	You heard it here first. http://www.soundtrack.net/news/article/?id=455 Badelt & Zimmer. Oh - and if you still need someone to "blame", try Bruckheimer. Dan [Message edited by dgoldwas on 05-05-2003]
posted 05-05-2003 03:48 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Fanboy pre-programmed response # 2.4: Would have preferred Rabin. Fanboy pre-programmed response # 2.5: So far unimpressed by Badelt + Zimmer.
posted 05-05-2003 03:58 PM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	quote: Badelt & Zimmer. ".........the war has begun...." Dan (UK)
posted 05-05-2003 03:58 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: Oh - and if you still need someone to "blame", try Bruckheimer. 'blame', not necessarily. But Badelt+Zimmer for a Bruckheimer poopfest certainly makes more sense than Silvestri.
posted 05-05-2003 04:00 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Dinko: 'blame', not necessarily. But Badelt+Zimmer for a Bruckheimer poopfest certainly makes more sense than Silvestri. Well... I say "blame" only because if you're looking for an actual reason why Silvestri was taken off, there ya go. Dan
posted 05-05-2003 04:03 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: You heard it here first. Ahem, I said it was going to be Badelt days ago (check my post on the previos page) Ryan
posted 05-05-2003 06:37 PM PT (US)

Kevin Oscar® Winner	Yeah, you said that on the 3rd. Two full days before Dan found out and copied the info.
posted 05-05-2003 06:50 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	We all know that there is only one way to settle this and find out who reported it first. It is the fastest, and most intelligent way to do it. Fist fight. to the death. He who dies was right.
posted 05-05-2003 07:06 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: Ahem, I said it was going to be Badelt days ago (check my post on the previos page) But Ryan, it doesn't take a genius to guess that it would probably be Badelt. You didn't mention that Zimmer was scoring it too, and gosh - you never posted it on your website! So..... just cause you put it out there as a theory (cause that's how your post reads), doesn't matter since I've confirmed it twice-over now. Dan
posted 05-05-2003 08:05 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Oscar® Winner	No, didn't put it on my site -- thought I'd share here first and then see it pop up everywhere else right away... I expect it to break at MftM anytime now... Ryan
posted 05-05-2003 08:36 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	But it's Bruckheimer....are we really surprised at this choice? --Brian NP: X2
posted 05-05-2003 11:45 PM PT (US)

ESB Oscar® Winner	I knew it! Yes this makes it all clear Dan. So Bruckheimer finally got his way. I bet he was whining to Verbinski for his MV composers since the beginning. Poor Verbinski. He must be the sole reason why Silvestri was onboard this film. I checked and Bruckheimer always uses his MV composers. Isn't this a perfect example of shameless buddy politics? What a disgrace. I can't imagine Badelt and Zimmer are proud of themselves for getting this assignment this way. I have great respect for Verbinski and Silvestri adores him. I cannot believe and hope that he hasn't much to do with this all (just like Brian De Palma had to follow orders of Tom Cruise on M:I). I know Silvestri still wants to work with him in the future and I really hope Verbinski feels the same way. Sigh. [Message edited by ESB on 05-06-2003]
posted 05-06-2003 12:52 AM PT (US)

John Zimmer Oscar® Winner	At least it's not just Badelt. Although I would have prefered Silvestri. Jz
posted 05-06-2003 04:51 AM PT (US)

Kris Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by John Zimmer: At least it's not just Badelt. Although I would have prefered Silvestri. Jz Your right John. Badelt (and Zimmer) will definitely do a good job. Badelt did a great job on TIME MACHINE, K-19 and especially NED KELLY. I really enjoyed THE PLEDGE. Well, Silvestri - a composer I really like - is out. Whining won't help anymore.
posted 05-06-2003 05:32 AM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	Perhaps Silvestri's score truly sucked more than any black hole in outer space. Perhaps it cribbed Cutthroat Island a little too much. I'm sorry, but while Time Machine was pretty good (even if it robbed The Edge), Equilibrium was a horrible score. K-19 was unimpressive. The best MV score to come out in years was The Pledge, surely far different from what a pirate movie calls for. Media Ventures: call us when you need to settle! and...how does Elliot Goldenthal get away with calling OTHER people freaks? :-)
posted 05-06-2003 06:38 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	What a suprise.....MV....
posted 05-06-2003 06:44 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by ESB: I cannot believe and hope that he hasn't much to do with this all (just like Brian De Palma had to follow orders of Tom Cruise on M:I). I know Silvestri still wants to work with him in the future and I really hope Verbinski feels the same way. Sigh. As with most Bruckheimer productions, the director is merely a talent-for-hire. I doubt Gore had very little influence on the decision to dump Silvestri. Dan
posted 05-06-2003 07:02 AM PT (US)

Kris Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by JJH: I'm sorry, but while Time Machine was pretty good (even if it robbed The Edge), Equilibrium was a horrible score. K-19 was unimpressive. The best MV score to come out in years was The Pledge, surely far different from what a pirate movie calls for. Check out Badelt's NED KELLY. Beautifull orchestral score. Best from MV in a while.
posted 05-06-2003 07:43 AM PT (US)

ESB Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: As with most Bruckheimer productions, the director is merely a talent-for-hire. I doubt Gore had very little influence on the decision to dump Silvestri. Dan I'm glad you confirmed my feelings.
posted 05-06-2003 08:10 AM PT (US)

Quill Oscar® Winner	Dinko--point well taken. I am actually pleased with the Badelt choice. Time Machine was a solid adventure score and K-19 had some strong dramatic depth. Not too much synth-pounding! Silvestri never sat that high on my list...Mummy Returns was about as much gusto as he could muster...maybe his score wasn't cutting it. Don't get me wrong, I love Predator, The Abyss, and Forrest Gump, but I'm willing to give Badelt/Zimmer a chance here. My only concern...we need an orchestra...please.
posted 05-06-2003 08:53 AM PT (US)

Bond1965 Oscar® Winner	What I find totally amusing here is that you all think it'll JUST be Badelt (top billing?) AND Zimmer working on this. You keep forgetting there will be a team of MV guys working round the clock to make the film's deadline. I guess this is where it is good to have a group effort for back-up. James Who knows John Scott could have cranked out a score and orchestrated it in 2 weeks all by himself.
posted 05-06-2003 10:36 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: But it's Bruckheimer....are we really surprised at this choice? No. But Silvestri's score was the only thing about this movie that might have interested me. I won't seen the movie (I swore to never go see a MV movie again), but I don't doubt Errol Flynn will be spinning in his grave.
posted 05-06-2003 10:45 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Bond1965: What I find totally amusing here is that you all think it'll JUST be Badelt (top billing?) AND Zimmer working on this. I don't.... I know Jim Dooley is going to be working on it..... Dan
posted 05-06-2003 10:45 AM PT (US)

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