a soundtrack will be released the same day featuring DJ Shadow, Death To Vegas, and Juno Reactor.

My humble request to Dan Goldwasser, Jeron, and The Kypster is between the four of us, we should be able to come up with some info if Don Davis' score will be a part of it. THis much I think we can gather as the music for the two film are yet to be in any sembalnce of finality.

I'll dig, but I'm not sure a score release is planned...

Dan, you know anything?

Kyp, I doubt a score release will happen, but what if tracks from his score were included on the disc.

Don't read the following if you don't want to get angry.

Man is the biggest slaver around as we all love to beat down on what we control. And I am kind of getting sick and tired of how HUMANITY is supposed to be so precious and junk. To sound utilitarian for a moment, the lot of humans who serve no purpose whatsoever to the world and deserve to perish (starting with me) is so overwhelming that I anxiously await armageddon.

Getting right down to the Matrix's philosophy: why the hell should I care if the world I am living in is faux? Truth be told, Cypher's the only REAL man in that movie.

While I respecy your right to your opinions and disagree with you on the condition of man, I think I mixed my metaphors a bit. I was wondering if man in the context of the film derserved to win the battle they wage in the film. I wasn't looking for any answers on the state of man here in the so-called real world. To find such answers here, well, that's another psychological debate. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that coming here is for recreation. Philosophy is something I seek in other avenues. Not that I don't appreciate being intellectually challenged; it's good food for thought.

As for the manifestations of the battles in the film's context themselves, the stylistic choice lies in the purview of it's filmmakers, and not every one gets into the anime references, obviously, or whatever counterargument can be raised against why the film ,which is in your opinion, a story that is a distant second to the mayhem. Forgive the paraphrase. It's not going to make me angry if someone doesn't like it. The only thing would get me anywhere near to that is if one someone absolutely demanded that the film not be seen and went out of their way to violently ban the film or it's predecessors from being shown in the U.S. again. Such a person would never know about the contact out on their life

Only kidding. But seriously, I don't feel a film should ever not be out of a person's reach to view, if that person so chooses to seek it out for viewing. The circumstances for the "unless" category are too wide and too varied, so I couldn't say what would be the counter. I believe eveyrone has a god given right to give a film one shot so they can make up their minds and truly develop their own opinions on whether to love/hate a film, as you have.

I think the Matrix serves as an original mix of styles and philosophies put together in such precision in filmmaking that it's going to bewilder student filmmakers for years. Such students should be using "The Art of The Matrix" as their handbook.

Now to bring it back to the topic, I think Don Davis' score is unusual in it's technique, but I think upon release of futher scores, an expansion will be of greater regard for examination. The only caveat I have about the first score is the drums at the beginning of the track "The Ambush". Why have a 70's style Starsky and Hutch opening to a big action piece of music when the rest of the film is extraordinarily techno in the rest of it's music. Just doesn't seem cohesive to me. I think the score should have employed more keyboards- but then we're talking about Don Davis, not Hans Zimmer.

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Originally posted by Norman McCay:
Man is the biggest slaver around as we all love to beat down on what we control. And I am kind of getting sick and tired of how HUMANITY is supposed to be so precious and junk. To sound utilitarian for a moment, the lot of humans who serve no purpose whatsoever to the world and deserve to perish (starting with me) is so overwhelming that I anxiously await armageddon.

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Take an art appreciation class, Norman. Humanities 101. We are inclined towards slaving, mayhem, destruction, but we are also capable of such immense beauty and wisdom that it's enough to make someone think there are two different animals entirely. Every human carries the potential for the creation of that beauty, or use of that wisdom, and ("to sound utilitarian for a moment") it would be far more useful to focus your attention on finding a way to unlock that potential in yourself and in others, instead of just whining about how terrible everything is and waiting for the end. There is only weakness, not wisdom, in that type of attitude.

In any event, I watched the first Animatrix and liked it a lot. Yes, it's ideas have mostly been covered before, and it's referential images aren't the most subtle (i.e., the bulldozer depositing the dead robot bodies), but it was very powerful. Widescreen, you are correct in that definitely cuases a reexamination of the Matrix. Maybe it would be better (in the context of the film) for the machines to take over for good. It can be argued that the humans responsible for the mistreatment of machines are long dead, but if the humans do win the battle in the end, I doubt they'll be ready to treat the machines any differently than their ancestors did.

Still no info on the scores, though.

Kirk

BTW, I was addressing the battle between man and machine within the context of the movie. It would be nice for man to lose for a change. There are just never any movies about eternal despair anymore. Hollywood manages to let its main characters conquer every obstacle that is thrown in life's path, without ever mentioning that the majority of people go through life LOSING these kinds of "fights." It's essentially false hope that Hollywood feed the masses with. Is that really a good thing? Or is acceptance of their mediocre lives the alternative? There ARE people who serve no purpose. Oh, they exist. It's egotistical and unrealistic to think otherwise. Not everyone has the "potential" that idealists like to conjure up and pat themselves on the back. And critics like to think it's a cop out for these potential-less souls to claim mediocrity, but who could possibly know, other than the individuals themselves?

Norman, I don't know you, and I have no wish to be presumptious about your conclusion, as I seem to have already. But I can't and won't subscribe to nihilism in my entertainment. I don't want sunshine blown up my ass every 2 seconds, either, I want as much of a balance as I can get, and if I can't get that, then something about that piece of entertainment better be fun in some way. That's me. I don't expect anyone else to follow. I don't assume anyopne expected me to do any different. I like hope in my movies, it's as much air to me. It isn't false hope; it's a reflection of how good things can be no matter how unreal. If anything, the Matrix can be considered a reminder that we have to EARN our privileges as human beings. It's not easy to have happy life, I have to want it bad and work real hard for it. Sometimes, movies remind me of that. Crazy as it sounds.

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Originally posted by Widescreen:
Now can we get back to the topic? Why hasn't Dan answered yet?

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Chris, go check this out. Read Dan's post.

[Message edited by Widescreen on 02-10-2003]