MovieMusic.com Message Boards: Lord of the Rings:FOTR Special Edition

Message Boards

Movie Soundtracks

Lord of the Rings:FOTR Special Edition (Page 1)

Archive of old forum. No more postings.

Please visit our new forum, The MovieMusic Lobby, to post new topics.

This topic is 2 pages long: 1 2

Author	Topic: Lord of the Rings:FOTR Special Edition

jburrows Minimember	I just saw this preview on the DVD release of Lord of the Rings. I'm really glad that I didn't buy a copy of this film, since there is another Director's edition of the film coming out on DVD this Novemeber. It will have 30 minutes of additional footage and Howard Shore has gone back and recorded an additional amount of score. The special edition of the movie will be a 4 disc DVD, and will have new visual effects as well as bonus features not available on this first release of the movie. At least we don't have to wait 20 years for another featured release, but this is unfortunate for all those that are fans of the trilogy and will have to shell out another $22.99 come November 2002.
posted 08-06-2002 10:25 PM PT (US)

Kevin Goldmember	But the "extras" are different. What is on this one won't be on the one in November. I swear I've seen this talked about before on here? Dan, if you would be so kind????
posted 08-07-2002 05:17 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Goldmember	4 discs for $22.99? Optimism!
posted 08-07-2002 06:43 AM PT (US)

Kevin Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Lancelot: 4 discs for $22.99? Optimism! Yeah, I'm hip. But I paid ony 1$4.99 for my FOTR copy at Best Buy. Althouh according to online preorders from Amazon... FOTR 4-disc set: $25.99 FOTR 5-disc set: $59.99 (comes with Argonath Bookends) So he is essentially correct about the 4-disc price. But I'm not whining about getting the theatrical release also (and I don't think I'm "unfortunate.")
posted 08-07-2002 07:04 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Kevin: Dan, if you would be so kind???? Oh, just search for "Lord of the rings expanded DVD" in the search engine. Dan
posted 08-07-2002 07:45 AM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	I want both so I can simply have both versions of the film. And for the price of a music CD it seems well worth it for this film.
posted 08-07-2002 07:51 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Kevin: But the "extras" are different. What is on this one won't be on the one in November. Though you have to admit that the extras one the current release could be better. The previews are amazing. The web documentaries are quite nice, but not too special (and the interesting ones are too short). The 40 minute documentary is really good, but the other two 20 minutes ones could be better.
posted 08-07-2002 08:30 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: Though you have to admit that the extras one the current release could be better. Umm.... yeah - and the 'better' version will be the 4-disc set in November. That's where their energies are, Marian. Why should they spend time on this when they have over seven hours of stuff just for the new 4-disc set? Dan
posted 08-07-2002 08:53 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	Well, they DID put extras on this one. And I wasn't complaining about the amount of extras, but their quality.
posted 08-07-2002 01:43 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: Well, they DID put extras on this one. And I wasn't complaining about the amount of extras, but their quality. Right - and the extras are the previously available stuff - the television specials, and the web documentaries. All the NEW stuff is gonna be on the 4-disc set. They didn't put any energy into this one, Marian. That's my point. Dan
posted 08-07-2002 02:30 PM PT (US)

TV's Frank Goldmember	Yep, I agree with Dan. I will rent this version to see the Two Towers extra and enjoy once more the original cut of the film, but my money is saved for November release. I figure once Two Towers is actually released, why would I need that 10-minute teaser on this DVD? It's great that the deluxe DVD will have all extras focused solely on FOTR. And then when Two Towers is out on DVD, we can have more extras focused solely on that chapter - the anticipation is mounting!!
posted 08-07-2002 02:49 PM PT (US)

jburrows Minimember	I just heard from a reliable source that the new Expanded DVD for Novemeber will come at a price $100.00. That's really insane, I hope that this will be lowered before the final release.
posted 08-07-2002 04:21 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by jburrows: I just heard from a reliable source that the new Expanded DVD for Novemeber will come at a price $100.00. That's really insane, I hope that this will be lowered before the final release. Yeah, I'm gonna have to say that's not true... It's about $50 off and that's including the special 5-disc gift set with the nice casing. For the 4 disc set, it'll be about the same price as Vista Series' Pearl Harbor DVD set. Clayton
posted 08-07-2002 05:07 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by jburrows: I just heard from a reliable source that the new Expanded DVD for Novemeber will come at a price $100.00. That's really insane, I hope that this will be lowered before the final release. haha Dude, I heard that too. But it was $100 CANADIAN. It's still just gonna $40. As evidenced, oh, EVERYWHERE (including New Line's own website....) http://shop.newline.com/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000067DNF/ Dan
posted 08-07-2002 05:43 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: haha Dude, I heard that too. But it was $100 CANADIAN. ahahahahaha! That's classic... whew... Clayton
posted 08-07-2002 05:48 PM PT (US)

metaphor123 Minimember	quote: Originally posted by jburrows: I just saw this preview on the DVD release of Lord of the Rings. I'm really glad that I didn't buy a copy of this film, since there is another Director's edition of the film coming out on DVD this Novemeber. It will have 30 minutes of additional footage and Howard Shore has gone back and recorded an additional amount of score. The special edition of the movie will be a 4 disc DVD, and will have new visual effects as well as bonus features not available on this first release of the movie. At least we don't have to wait 20 years for another featured release, but this is unfortunate for all those that are fans of the trilogy and will have to shell out another $22.99 come November 2002. If you'd bought the two disc edition, you'd hear Peter Jackson go out of his way to emphatically state that the 'extended edition' is in no way a director's cut. It is an extended edition, and the theatrical cut is his preferred cut.
posted 08-07-2002 07:04 PM PT (US)

Kris Goldmember	I bought the "normal" version two weeks ago and I will buy the expanded version in november. I just want both versions.
posted 08-08-2002 12:35 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by scoreguy16: Yeah, I'm gonna have to say that's not true... It's about $50 off and that's including the special 5-disc gift set with the nice casing. For the 4 disc set, it'll be about the same price as Vista Series' Pearl Harbor DVD set. Clayton Well, I'm happier now, seeing as how I got my PH Vista for only 24 bucks
posted 08-08-2002 01:04 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by metaphor123: It is an extended edition, and the theatrical cut is his preferred cut. He doesn't say the theatrical version is his preferred cut. He says that he doesn't like it less than the other version.
posted 08-08-2002 06:00 AM PT (US)

James Goldmember	quote: I'm not a big fan of the term "director's cut" because that kind of implies that the preferred version of the film wasn't the one that was released in the cinemas, and in this case it certainly was. So, read that however you will.
posted 08-08-2002 09:03 AM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	I believe his words were something to the effect that he does not like the term Director's Cut because it implies that the best cut of the film was not released in the theatres which is not the case here. Take that to mean what you want.
posted 08-08-2002 09:08 AM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	One thing further...I think the set of feature included with this release are solid. They are easily superior to most DVD releases out there today. I guess our expectations for this release were too high.
posted 08-08-2002 11:14 AM PT (US)

Pete M Goldmember	Well, I took it to mean that he doesn't like the extended version to be the director's cut, because it implies that he wasn't happy with the theatrical cut, which he was.
posted 08-08-2002 01:27 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	The basic statement, which can also be found elsewhere, is that they all believe the theatrical version was right for the theatre, and that the extended cut is right for home viewing by those who want more details.
posted 08-08-2002 02:35 PM PT (US)

lars b Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by TV's Frank: Yep, I agree with Dan. I will rent this version to see the Two Towers extra and enjoy once more the original cut of the film, but my money is saved for November release. I figure once Two Towers is actually released, why would I need that 10-minute teaser on this DVD? It's great that the deluxe DVD will have all extras focused solely on FOTR. And then when Two Towers is out on DVD, we can have more extras focused solely on that chapter - the anticipation is mounting!! Here in Belgium, the rental version doesn't have the extra features, film only version !
posted 08-09-2002 01:11 AM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	Well the DVD has allowed me to notice some details I managed to miss the first few times through. I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but in the scene were Frodo is slipping away and Arwen shows up there are three statues in the woods surrounding them. I'm guessing these are trolls from the hobbit which were turned to stone. This might have been obvious to some, but noticing it for the first time was a treat.
posted 08-12-2002 09:50 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	Yes, it's the trolls. I saw them only the second time in the theatre, and only because I had read about them. Nice touch. I did notice two new bits, too, though I can only recall one of them right now - it seemed to me like that horn melody that's played when Boromir speaks about Gondor at Elrond's council is repeated in the basses when the camera zooms on the Ring a bit later. Perhaps there's some meaning in that theme. The best bit though is something I'd never have noticed myself, but read elsewhere on the web: In Lorien, Boromir tells Aragorn that he heard Galadriel's voice inside his head, saying that there still is hope, and he goes on to say that he can't see it. Elrond called Aragorn Estel, which is Elvish for "hope". And when Boromir says he can't see it, he doesn't look at Aragorn but at the grass at his feet. BTW, can anyone identify that ugly creature in the TTT preview, right before the scene where we see Gollum crawling towards the Hobbits? I can't think of too many humanoid "big boss" foes in TTT, just Ugluk and Grishnakh - but it doesn't look like an Orc to me.
posted 08-12-2002 01:15 PM PT (US)

Kevin Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: BTW, can anyone identify that ugly creature in the TTT preview, right before the scene where we see Gollum crawling towards the Hobbits? I can't think of too many humanoid "big boss" foes in TTT, just Ugluk and Grishnakh - but it doesn't look like an Orc to me. It's got to be some kind of Orc, as it's Merry and Pippin there who turn around and see it. I think it's Grishnakh. Kevin
posted 08-12-2002 03:07 PM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	Marian--very good observation...you have a keener eye/ear than I. I notice simple little things, like Peter Jackson eating a carrot and burping as the hobbits enter Bree.
posted 08-13-2002 08:53 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Quill: Marian--very good observation...you have a keener eye/ear than I. I wouldn't say that. And it's only a theory of mine - when I watch the DVD again today, I'll try to confirm it. I just kept paying attention to the horn music, because Brutus mentioned similar orchestrations always appear when Boromir speaks of Gondor. NP: The Best of the Doors
posted 08-13-2002 10:00 AM PT (US)

Pete M Goldmember	Yeah, & last time I watched it, I had a feeling that the music also appears at the end, (SPOILER)when Boromir goes over the falls.(END SPOILER) I'm now listening to the C to see if it's on it, because I don't really remember having noticed it. Which disturbs me greatly. NP FOTR
posted 08-13-2002 01:15 PM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Goldmember	There is a rebate coupon in the current DVD for the others.
posted 08-19-2002 07:22 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Swashbuckler: There is a rebate coupon in the current DVD for the others. Not here.
posted 08-20-2002 06:15 AM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	Well, with a $24.99 preorder at Amazon and similar release special at places like Best Buy I'm not too concerned with $5 mail in coupon. Now that I view it all as a whole, I'm getting the complete package for $40. Doesn't get any better than that. One quick note on editing--I hope that with the gift giving sequence back in the film the cut from the Uruk-Hai mobilizing and leaving Isengard will be smoother. As it stands in the moving its kind of jarring. It was really the only transition in the film that bugged me.
posted 08-20-2002 09:06 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	I didn't have a problem with that. There are two other nasty cuts though: 1) Hobbits on the Brandywine -> Hobbits at the Bree gate. I guess this is where the Gildor sequence will be put it. 2) Outside Moria -> Entering Lorien. There definitely is material missing here, and I guess that will be in the extended cut, too.
posted 08-20-2002 09:22 AM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	It wasn't so much an issue with time and space lapses as with the cuts you mentioned, but more a sensory one. A raucous scene with loud jarring music, cut direct to serene moment with soft music. A gentle fade might have been better...again though, we'll see what happens with the extended cut.
posted 08-20-2002 03:14 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	Hmm, ok, I see what you mean. Both cuts I mentioned don't have any score, by the way, but are extremely harsh cuts visually, which was the main reason why I mentioned them.
posted 08-20-2002 03:49 PM PT (US)

Pete M Goldmember	I agree with Quill on that one. I think it was also a reel change too, which didn't help too much. I thought it played rather better on the DVD. NP Death in Vegas: Leather Girls
posted 08-21-2002 03:54 AM PT (US)

nightwing Goldmember	I remember the first time I saw this at the midnight showing, two things desturbed me, first was that cut from Brandywine to Bree when so much good stuff happens between in the books and Galadriel looking all evil without anygifts. The next time I saw it, though, I noticed the brooches from Lorien so I knew that that must have been cut out. I can't wait for the full version.
posted 08-21-2002 09:51 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	Yes, parts of the gift giving scene were even in the trailer. Bombadil and the Barrow Downs were never filmed (or at least Bombadil wasn't, and I've never heard the Barrow Downs were, nor do I see how they would have done one without the other), but the encounter with Gildor will be in the extended cut. I just wish they'd explain how Aragorn got the Hobbit's short swords there on weathertop... And Bill is somewhat inconsistent in the movie, too.
posted 08-22-2002 07:19 AM PT (US)

Old Infopop Software by UBB