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Lancelot Oscar® Winner	John Williams retire? Yeah right. Shouldn't Goldsmith retire? He's written so many patriotic/militaristic themes, it'd be ridiculous to think he's breaking any new ground with this Last Castle stuff...
posted 10-30-2001 07:26 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	Oh crap, here comes a even bigger can of worms... --Brian NP: Merlin
posted 10-30-2001 07:28 PM PT (US)

wistiti Oscar® Winner	Any composer over 60 should retire.
posted 10-30-2001 07:35 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Is Jimmy Horner over 60 yet? NP: Tora! Tora! Tora! by Who-da-f---?
posted 10-30-2001 07:39 PM PT (US)

HAL 2000 Oscar® Winner	Isn't this a little... er... 6th grade?
posted 10-31-2001 05:14 AM PT (US)

Probable Oscar® Winner	Yeah, it sorta is, huh?
posted 10-31-2001 06:03 AM PT (US)

John Zimmer Oscar® Winner	How about we have NOBODY retire hmmmm ever think about that?! NO! WHY? I DON'T NO BUT I SURE AM ANGRY ABOUT IT!!! Grrrrr... Np: Harry Potman and The Rock That Makes You Live Forever (John Williams **************************************/*** Jz
posted 10-31-2001 06:50 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Erich Wolfgang Korngold should retire! Uhm...wait a minute... NP: Predator 2 (Alan Silvestri)
posted 10-31-2001 06:57 AM PT (US)

shrubber Oscar® Winner	David Raksin, what's your view on this?
posted 10-31-2001 07:01 AM PT (US)

Pumpkinhead Oscar® Winner	I don't care if someones 185 years old, if they can still write music and enjoy it, then do it. And Goldsmith rules.
posted 10-31-2001 07:09 AM PT (US)

wistiti Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by HAL 2000: Isn't this a little... er... 6th grade? Lighten up. Occasional childish fun makes life more enjoyable.
posted 10-31-2001 07:42 AM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	This post is so worthless I can't think of anything worthwhile to type, so I will just continue in making it worthless
posted 10-31-2001 07:53 AM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	Occasional cocaine and hookers makes life more enjoyable too!
posted 10-31-2001 07:55 AM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	Isn't it time that Mozart came out of retirement?...he was pretty good! NP : Harry Potter - Williams ***/***....yeah, you read that right, 5 outta 5...read it and weep baby!
posted 10-31-2001 07:56 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Lancelot: John Williams retire? Yeah right. Shouldn't Goldsmith retire? He's written so many patriotic/militaristic themes, it'd be ridiculous to think he's breaking any new ground with this Last Castle stuff... And to think some people say you don't have a sense of humor.....
posted 10-31-2001 09:20 AM PT (US)

HAL 2000 Oscar® Winner	<BLOCKQUOTE> Originally posted by HAL 2000: [Isn't this a little... er... 6th grade? Lighten up. Occasional childish fun makes life more enjoyable. BLOCKQUOTE> Sure it does. Check out the irony. http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/007552.html [Message edited by HAL 2000 on 10-31-2001]
posted 10-31-2001 10:39 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	I think Launcelot should go out more, definitly .
posted 10-31-2001 10:44 AM PT (US)

wistiti Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by HAL 2000: Sure it does. Check out the irony. http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/007552.html I learn a lesson today: always read all the posts on a message board before replying to a topic.
posted 10-31-2001 12:25 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	all of them? thanks for paying attention....
posted 10-31-2001 01:00 PM PT (US)

wistiti Oscar® Winner	all of them. You're welcome.
posted 10-31-2001 07:19 PM PT (US)

Bulldog Oscar® Winner	There's no doubt that Goldsmith and Williams are breaking more ground than this board is....
posted 11-02-2001 02:59 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	Here, here.
posted 11-02-2001 03:00 PM PT (US)

Al Oscar® Winner	Why the hell do we place so much importance on breaking ground anyway?
posted 11-02-2001 06:30 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	It shows we are developing. (Though, there's nothing wrong with taking something that's already there and making it better.)
posted 11-02-2001 07:03 PM PT (US)

Al Oscar® Winner	I'm simply referring to the term- breaking new ground. It's a tad odd, as it seems to imply digging a hole (or a grave for that matter). I always thought that "breaking ground" was, in a way, taking something and making it better. Seems it would be more like "adding ground" than breaking it. Hey... I just realized something... I really don't care.
posted 11-03-2001 11:26 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	progress!
posted 11-03-2001 11:37 AM PT (US)

John Zimmer Oscar® Winner	I'll get out the till! Jz -The resident John Williams and Hans Zimmer Fan
posted 11-03-2001 01:42 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Well, if Jerry and Johnny are going to break new ground, they're going to need a Cat. Har de har har! OOoh, I just couldn't resist that one...
posted 11-03-2001 09:26 PM PT (US)

Kyriacos S Oscar® Winner	I really don't wanna express my opinion about Goldsmith because i'll probably get lynched... K NP:Alien 3(Elliot Goldenthal)**/***
posted 11-04-2001 08:32 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Oscar® Winner	Although the tone of this topic has been frivolous, I thought I'd chime in with a few thoughts. I can't say I've been entirely thrilled by the recent output of either of these gents. The auteur theory suggests that an artist's later works are often their most developed, but there's another theory about jumping the shark (which in Williams case happened way later than Jaws ). Towards the end of their careers, Rozsa, Delerue, Herrmann and others weren't quite tapped out but they did seem to repeat themselves. You could argue the same about Williams and Goldsmith. I can't say anough good things about 60s Goldsmith or 70s Williams and it's obvious that they are still able to produce good scores. It's just that they have a lot more weaker scores to their credit these days than they did in days past. Still, a master craftsman is in demand. These guys are pros who've been at it for so long that producers still trust them to know what to do with their films. Even younger composers who have great scores ahead of them don't have the respect (or job offers) these guys do. If I were to go see every new film I could, and there were no more Williams or Goldsmith scores, I think I'd feel the loss, even if their scores don't have the quality associated with their past work. Having just seen The One with its horrible Trevor Rabin score the thought of that guy going on while people clamor for Williams and Goldsmith to retire is plainly ridiculous.
posted 11-07-2001 09:22 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	well put Lou. but why on God's green Earth did you see The One? THAT is plainly ridiculous.
posted 11-07-2001 09:37 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Oscar® Winner	I'm still a big fan of Hong Kong style cinema despite its having gone mainstream. Sadly, that means I'll go see Jet Li or Jackie Chan in anything (including Lethal Weapon 4).
posted 11-08-2001 08:33 PM PT (US)

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