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Ken S

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Couple of nights ago I revisited an area that was one part of the ignition of my love towards film music. - And it is always surprising to learn more about oneself
When I saw RETURN TO OZ the first time in 1985 I was (well, you name it-) spellbound. As a result I went to see the movie about 10-15 times (no kidding). When I couple of years later rented it as a video, my mother regarded the movie as being "very cold" and "phobic".
Today, some sixteen years later, I do realize why the movie was considered "witty, but charmless" - and furthermore, if someone was REALLY expecting a sequel to the MUSICAL "WIZARD OF OZ" (1939), then the shock must have been quite an enormous.
But, again - already in 1985 I myself didn't go to see a sequel to the musical, but a new movie on its own and liked it a lot. And I still like it - because it IS witty (and thank god they don't sing in it
).But anyway, couple of nights ago I listened to David Shire's soundtrack after a VERY long time (couple of years atleast) - and I really made the shocking discovery: WHEN SEPARATED FROM THE MOVIE, THE SCORE IS MORE LIKE FROM A HORROR MOVIE THAN FROM A DISNEY-MOVIE. Really. An extremely GOOD horror score.
And then I remembered it all SO WELL; already in 1985 I really loved the dynamic power of Shire's manymany "orchestral turbulance" cues of the movie - and the extreme beauty of the score's more gentler parts. And already back then I thought that the music was SO right for the movie. And the movie was exciting, even horrific - but as good fairytales always are, this too had an enchanting happy ending. I thought it was all justified. And I was just ten years-old back then.
SO - again the classic question: Am I alone with this one ? In the Monday-night chat I learned from PeterK that the RETURN TO OZ soundtrack didn't even sell initially - and in fact, I might even understand it, because really, almost all the music on the soundtrack ends up being more aggressive and frightening than... OMEN or something. Seriously.
In my opinion the Main Title sequence (the very first seconds of the movie) is one of the most gripping ever created (- but it has to be experienced in a movie theater, to appreciate it). And much are due to the atmospheric opening cue by Shire. Simply magical.
Comments, anyone..?
And yes - I would die for getting this score on CD (- I only have it as a cassette copy transferred from LP; the sound is SO poor...)
-the novelist KEN-posted 09-21-2001 07:06 PM PT (US) 
spitfire
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I met the director of "Return To Oz", Walter Murch, last year and he is a totally nice guy. The failure of the film couldn't have been less deserved.Ryan
posted 09-21-2001 07:50 PM PT (US) 
Ken S

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And a couple things more... (although I should be in bed; zzzzzzzzzzzleepy, kinda, but not quite
).I forgot to mention that although the score features some of the most powerful orchestral writing ever (for example, "The Flight in the Storm"), there is also some beguiling and wonderful themes like the March-theme for the Land of Oz and the themes for Tik Tok and Jack Pumpkinhead... not to mention the elegant "Ride to Dr. Worley's" and the noble and "pre-schindler's-listic" End Credits.
More importantly, with rediscovering this soundtrack I really understood WHERE my love towards "melodic" orchestral turbulence has initiated; also I found out that this is the kind of film music that really keeps me "going"... (just like now, in the wee small morning hours, after being wake all the night through
).posted 09-21-2001 08:32 PM PT (US) 
Ken S

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AAAAAAAAAAAGGHHH - I still forgot to mention that I SIMPLY LOVE ragtime-music, and yes, when rediscovering this soundtrack I finally appreciated also "The Rag March". Terrific stuff....here I am posting replies to my own posts in early Saturday morning - AND what is ironic, I REALLY H A V E a life (if somebody thinks that I should really get a life)... (And if somebody thinks I've lost my mind (regarding the date) maybe it helps to know I live in Finland, where it IS Saturday morning).

posted 09-21-2001 08:42 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

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Hi, you'd be happy to know this score is available on CD in the www.monstersinmotion.com soundtrack store. They sell models, toys, etc. of various stop-motion creatures and classic horror but they also have an unbelievable soundtrack store. Check it out.
posted 09-21-2001 11:07 PM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/005793.htmlCheck the above also Ken...its a great score, but I think monstersinmotion sells cdrs for $30, so buyer beware.
NP:The Hollywood Years(Tangerine Dream)
posted 09-21-2001 11:16 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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I've sung this score's praises for years... it's a childhood favorite, ya know, one of those scores that haunts you forever and ever, and then when you finally get it, the world stops as you indulge in the pure ecstasy of reliving those memories. Great movie, too. I totally remember seeing it when it came out. The DVD is excellent - worth having.Jeron
posted 09-22-2001 12:30 AM PT (US) 
Brad Wills

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The score is chock full of little treasures but the one that I find the most captivating - not to mention masterful - is that every single one of the major themes features the same 10-note descending figure, appearing at the end of the melodic phrase before leading into re-statement of each theme. It's first suggested in Dorothy's theme (IIRC in the Main Title, measures 5 and 6 of the theme proper). Could this be Shire's way of telling us that that all of the events that play out are in Dorothy's mind? And of course that glorious rag march!! Truly one of the great compostions for the screen and Shire ingeniously lets all the character themes make an appearance as a short motif in the end title version. Sublime.
posted 09-22-2001 07:21 AM PT (US) 
JoeInSanDiego

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Brad Wills turned me on to Return to Oz and I have felt, and still do, that it is one of the most masterful, complex, rich and gorgeous scores ever created for film. It is in my top five favorite scores of all time (behind Willow, Thunderheart, An American Tale and Unlawful Entry...ROTFL!!!!!!!! Sorry, Brad, just HAD to say that...and yes, folks, I am SO kidding!!!!) Seriously though, if Brad had not played this for me and made me a tape of this incredible piece of music, I would never have known the power and beauty contained within. If you have never heard it...find a way. I you don't have it...find a way to get it. I can think of very few other scores that are better...or more worth the effort to find.
Joe
posted 09-22-2001 11:36 AM PT (US) 
Dylan

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With all of these comments, I'll have to consider getting the CDR from monstersinmotion....i'm sure this is a score I would love.
posted 09-22-2001 12:19 PM PT (US) 
Ken S

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Thanks for the hints and links everybody!As the result of my restless night (and those morning hours) I couldn't get sleep before I watched the movie again, and I didn't even have problems of keeping my tired eyes open. (I have the movie on video). REALLY, the movie is extremely "phobic" all the way through - chilling strings, oppression of all kinds, horrific visuals; I'm amazed how I have considered the movie back in 1985 "ONLY" so "magical" - but as I said, it is extremely witty and kinda benign, soothing tale for a kid like myself who had - and still has - an enormous own world of imagination...
RETURN TO OZ is really more of an adult movie than a simple fantasy for kids. But I must say that Fairuza Balk acts nowadays MUCH better

posted 09-22-2001 02:44 PM PT (US) 
Emo
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I recently saw Return to Oz, and thought it was really unique and innovative. The production design was gorgeous, and the music was perfect. I think the tone of RTO was what Spielberg was going for in AI and never acheived it. And for once, Fairuza Balk didn't bug me. She was adorable as Dorothy.I am sure everyone knows this, but Walter Murch is first and foremost a gifted editor. He also wrote an invaluable book, IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE, that I'd recommend to anyone with the slightest bit of interest in filmmaking.
posted 09-23-2001 11:01 AM PT (US) 
Mark
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Walter Murch? Hi Big Bear! Nice to see you again. Did you delete Emo's profile because you're tired of being a girl maybe? Just go away loser.
posted 09-24-2001 11:44 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
