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Author	Topic: What's it gonna take to get the expanded Star Trek III released?

Ruddiger unregistered	There are just too many excellent and large portions left out of GNP's release. It seems as if it was created in the era of LPs.
posted 01-28-2001 12:39 AM PT (US)

shockwave Non-Standard Userer	Well I wrote a letter to Neil Norman regarding a possible 2-CD set of Star Trek II & III w/more music. This is my suggestion: Make limited quanties only available on the net/maybe phone orders price range $29.99-34.99 These are the unreleased selections that I believe might be on this double CD: STAR TREK II Eels of Ceti Alpha V 2:24 Kirk Takes Command 1:10 Capt. Terrell's Death 1:56 Enterprise Attacks Reliant 1:27 (great piece) Spock's Death 1:50 Total: 8 minutes (estimated) STAR TREK III The Klingon's Plan 1:29 Grissom Destroyed :59 Spock endures Pon Farr 3:01 A Fighting Chance to Live 4:08 Genesis Destroyed 4:08 Total: 13 minutes (estimated) These selections were taken from the book "Music of Star Trek." I'm still sort of new to the whole idea of re-use fee costs but it could be done. If there are other suggestions please post them. If I may suggest how about a petition to have a 2-CD set of ST 2 & 3? Thanks for reading.
posted 01-28-2001 06:17 AM PT (US)

Foobsie Standard Userer	Here here! How about a CD full of missing cues when ST-X gets promoted? I am all for it! And they might even try to clean up that horrible digital transferrance the current discs have. NP: MULAN-Jerry Goldsmith (full and complete score 76:40) ***/***
posted 01-28-2001 10:26 AM PT (US)

charben Standard Userer	I second that also. I'd love to see both ST II & III expanded by GNP and would definately be prepared to pay an increased price for a complete edition of both scores. Chris Harben Atlantic Beach, FL
posted 01-28-2001 07:54 PM PT (US)

Widescreen Standard Userer	Further agreement from me, I'll sign any petition along with this. If they do this, and ST III gets expanded- then a FULL credit listing should be included, with information on the track known as "The Search For Spock", which was the theme performed in 80's techno style. This was, according to my vinyl copy from way back when was performed by James Horner and Group 87(!) I'd love to know how this track cam about and how it was intended for use, because it was nowhere in the end credits (it wouldn't have worked well in the move, anyway. It was just a nice extra- something all the Star Trek albums have managed to have what ever circumstances were present). In any case- what if both came in a DOUBLE CD SET!!! That's be interesting. The only problem I have with GNP Crescendo is that they have some of the worst Soundtrack Artwork Layout I've ever seen. They've just begun to try to get better.
posted 01-29-2001 07:20 AM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Foobsie: NP: MULAN-Jerry Goldsmith (full and complete score 76:40) ***/*** Hi Foobs I know this is a bit off topic, but dammit I need to know what is the most complete MULAN a body can have! Mine is 60mins. and sounds complete to me, minus songs....now SAE has one that is 78mins!!!!! Does yours include songs? Help!!! Sean
posted 01-29-2001 12:44 PM PT (US)

shockwave Non-Standard Userer	I am very happy that I am not the only one that would like to see a re-release to ST 2 & 3. I don't think Neil Norman will consider it. Unless would it hurt to start a petition on the GNP/Crescendo website? This may sound bad but I was waiting for a boot*** but it would be benefit both GNP/Crescendo (profits) & their customers (US)! Thank u again for reading.
posted 01-30-2001 05:34 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	a shame this petititon didn't get very many sigs. http://www.petitiononline.com/sthorner
posted 12-16-2005 07:33 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Wow, this is an old one. I thought the search here was down still. How did you find this?
posted 12-16-2005 11:32 PM PT (US)

lancer Standard Userer	horners startrek 2 and 3 along with aliens, and willow are the absolute best scores of his career. I'd love to have expanded ones(yes me wants).
posted 12-16-2005 11:48 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	I would love to have to have complete scores for Star Trek's II and III. All though I don't think you have to spread them out onto two-discs. I think everything will fit perfectly onto one disc. Hell it would be nice if we had offical complete scores for all 10 Star Trek films. Though with Paraborg being paranoid about their stuff being released....I don't know if this will go anywhere or not. I don't know if GNP would sell them since they haven't been selling any more Trek stuff except the old CD's that are still out there. I think Varese Sarabande has the Trek license for the scores since they released 2 volumes from the Original Series. I could be wrong though... It is worth checking into. Maybe if someone here has a contact inside Paramount they start by asking them what has to be done to get the complete scores for Star Trek II and III and possibly all 10 Star Trek films...I know I would definitely buy the complete scores for all 10 Star Trek films in a heart beat if they got a ligit release. [Message edited by BigT1981 on 12-17-2005]
posted 12-17-2005 12:10 AM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Standard Userer	This isn't about GNP, it's about Paramount. They're very bitchy about letting stuff get released. They held up Sony's expanded Star Trek: The Motion Picture for years. The Varese discs of music from the series are actually a re-recordings made in the 80s, and predate the GNP releases. [Message edited by Swashbuckler on 12-17-2005]
posted 12-17-2005 05:17 AM PT (US)

Foobsie Standard Userer	[OHMSS] This is my edition 01 Overture 07:05 02 Main Title 01:02 03 Attack At The Wall / The Emperor 02:12 04 Prayers / Grandma's Cricket 02:54 05 The Matchmaker 01:51 06 Homecoming 00:36 07 Proclamation From The Emperor 03:02 08 The Transformation / Mulan Leaves 03:14 09 Awakening The Great Stone Dragon 01:19 10 Master Plan 00:55 11 Shan-Yu 00:57 12 A Man's World 01:54 13 Ping Introduces 00:54 14 A New Day 00:42 15 The Arrow 01:07 16 The Doll 01:03 17 Bogus Letter 00:56 18 The Delivery 00:36 19 Burnt Village / The General Is Dead 03:13 20 Arrow Attack 01:16 21 The Huns Ride 01:50 22 Avalanche 02:36 23 The Masquerade Is Over 02:42 24 Confessions / Surviving Huns 03:22 25 Victory Celebration 01:30 26 Fireworks 00:40 27 The Huns Intrude 00:41 28 Concubines / Saving The Emperor 02:25 29 Mushu To The Rescue 02:37 30 Honoring Mulan 01:50 31 Reunion 01:14 32 End Credits 03:36 33 Reprise 06:06 34 The Emperor / Prayers (Alternate) 03:48 35 Mulan's Transformation (Alternate) 03:22 36 Confessions / To The Imperial City (Alternate) 02:42 Artist/Composer Jerry Goldsmith Length 77:49 Format CD Genre Film Score Label Emperor Entertainment Cat. Number EE-CD 300900 Index 608 Collection Status In Collection Packaging Jewel Case
posted 12-17-2005 06:25 AM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Swashbuckler: *This isn't about GNP, it's about Paramount. They're very bitchy about letting stuff get released. They held up Sony's expanded Star Trek: The Motion Picture* for years. [Message edited by Swashbuckler on 12-17-2005]** This is true about Paramount. Too bad that the expanded score kinda sucked. I was hoping it would have been the real full 2-disc set but Disc 2 had all those boring interviews that I never listen to...
posted 12-17-2005 06:57 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: Wow, this is an old one. I thought the search here was down still. How did you find this? there was a link to the petition in somebodys sig on filmtracks and the petition had a link to the thread
posted 12-17-2005 01:30 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	So, now that Paramount owns Dreamworks what does this mean for original scores? No expanded Peacemaker score? Boooooo hoooooooooooooo.
posted 12-17-2005 11:50 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	More than likely Peter. Since Dreamworks is owned by Paramount now, any movie made by Dreamworks for their scores it's very doubtful they will ever see expanded releases. Unless Paramount gets someone in there who will actually want to release complete scores for all 10 Trek movies as well as various other stuff. They will make money off of it..
posted 12-17-2005 11:58 PM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	"A place where dreams go to die." - Steven Soderbergh describing Paramount [Message edited by James on 12-18-2005]
posted 12-18-2005 01:32 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by James: "A place where dreams go to die." - Steven Soderbergh describing Paramount LOL. That's why I have such sorrowful feelings towards one of my favorite stories being controlled by Paramount, A Princess of Mars (as John Carter of Mars). If they were dumb enough to can what good things of Paul Greengrass' and David Hayter's adaptation of Alan Moore's Watchmen, then dreams really do go there to die. . . . and now according to the trades, Warner Bros. has picked up the project (Watchmen) after a decade-long absense of their interest in it; perhaps this is a result after the superb word of mouth early sreenings of another Moore property has gotten, V for Vendetta. The bad news is producers Larry Gordon and Lloyd Levin have yet to comment on if Hayter's script is still being used or if Greengrass or any of his pre-vis work will make it to the new studio. To me, this is bad but good news: Warner is doing stellar work with their properties recently (well, except for Catwoman and I thought Constantine was surprisingly servicable for such a stray from the material) and this makes me happy that the property is back at its home; but without Hayter and Greengrass everything will have to be built up from scratch with who knows as a writer and director. But, only time will tell; right? [Message edited by nuts_score on 12-19-2005]
posted 12-18-2005 10:21 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: *So, now that Paramount owns Dreamworks what does this mean for original scores? No expanded Peacemaker* score? Boooooo hoooooooooooooo. Hey Peter, I actually own the complete 2CD set recording sessions of The Peacemaker. If you want, I'll burn you a copy. (hehe! and yes I know where this is going!) NP: Batman Begins (HZ / JNH) */***
posted 12-19-2005 08:19 AM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	So Peter any chance you could maybe get the master tapes from Star Trek's II and III and release the complete scores for them? winks Or maybe FSM can pick up a license and release the complete scores for em'??? hehe just a thought.
posted 12-19-2005 08:23 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by BigT1981: So Peter any chance you could maybe get the master tapes from Star Trek's II and III and release the complete scores for them? winks Or maybe FSM can pick up a license and release the complete scores for em'??? hehe just a thought. FSM will release them complete with alternate cues etc. in 20 years in their Age Of Apocalypse series.
posted 12-19-2005 09:48 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	quote: Originally posted by sean: FSM will release them complete with alternate cues etc. in 20 years in their Age Of Apocalypse series. Which will include what others? Expanded Ghostbusters? That was apocalyptic as all hell.
posted 12-19-2005 10:02 PM PT (US)

1st Prime Non-Standard Userer	If Varese had the rights to ST 2 & 3 I would imagine these 2 discs would be on their future club releases. Why won't GNP/Crescendo consider these expanded releases? Is it really due to the cost of the re-use fees? Or is Paramount being jerky? Thanks.
posted 12-21-2005 05:51 AM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	I think it's just Paramborg(Paramount). As people (including myself) have said in this thread they are really paranoid about stuff from Star Trek being released. As Swashbuckler said they held up Sony releasing the expanded score for Star Trek The Motion Picture for a very long time. I wish they would just let more Trek stuff get released. I'd love to have all 10 Star Trek films for their scores in complete forms released and hear more music from TNG, DS9 and Voyager as well. Alot of good music from the TV series that we don't have. [Message edited by BigT1981 on 12-21-2005]
posted 12-21-2005 06:06 AM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Hey Shockwave does that one book list the complete cues for Star Trek's First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis?
posted 12-21-2005 06:09 AM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	Look guys,I think you can forget GNP. I read that they are out of the soundtrack business form a post, I think, By Ford Thaxton who used to produce with them.
posted 12-21-2005 01:14 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	GNP hasn't released a new soundtrack in a good 4 years, I believe. A shame. They released alot of good stuff over the years. They must have not been making enough money to warrant them to continue to make them. They still sell previous releases on Ebay and their website...they must have printed alot more copies and anticipated more selling.
posted 12-21-2005 04:37 PM PT (US)

1st Prime Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by BigT1981: Hey Shockwave does that one book list the complete cues for Star Trek's First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis? I have the book and it only have the cues up to ST6:TUC
posted 12-22-2005 03:10 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	I'm sure it would be a bit of a lengthy post However would you mind posting the cues for the first 6 Star Trek films and their time lengths if it lists that as well?
posted 12-22-2005 03:18 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Don't think Mr. Bond would appreciate that, as I understand it he still receives royalties. Its still for sale at Amazon, isn't it?
posted 12-22-2005 08:36 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Even though I'm not expecting this to happen... IF it does happen we need to tell who ever that would be in charge of mastering the music to make sure ALL the music is coming out of their proper channels. For example "The Genesis Countdown" for Star Trek II, through out that whole cue the channels are swapped at various points..trumpets switching from the left to right channels and same for the french horns. I a lot of times almost skip that cue because of the swapped channel issue. [Message edited by BigT1981 on 12-29-2005]
posted 12-29-2005 01:13 AM PT (US)

Widescreen Standard Userer	I guess I don't have the ear for something like that, but I can't see skipping Genesis Countdown. Everything from Battle in The Mutara Nebula on to the Epilogue/End Titles is some of the best writing James Horner has ever done, also the most unpretentiously emotional. He just doesn't write that way anymore, and I really wish he would. it would also help if certain films were deserving of that kind of writing. [Message edited by Widescreen on 12-29-2005]
posted 12-29-2005 11:48 AM PT (US)

JeffBond Standard Userer	Don't worry; I never received a penny in royalties for that Star Trek book so post away! There's some good stuff missing from the two Horner scores and I too miss the writing Horner used to do for projects like that. GNP is definitely out of the running although supposedly they also had the rights to do Star Trek albums in perpetuity so I'm not sure how all that works out. But between that and Paramount the outlook is grim. I know a major soundtrack producer who's been wanting to do Star Trek V for years and has never gotten any traction out of it (existing rights from the LP labels that put out the original albums is a problem too). And you've got yet ANOTHER problem now that there is no Star Trek project in production to attach promotion to. It's a lousy situation across the board...
posted 01-10-2006 06:30 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Well if Mr. Bond doesn't mind it would someone who has the book then post all the cue lists for Star Trek The Motion Picture through The Undiscovered Country, please?
posted 01-10-2006 10:52 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	A little bumparoonie. Can someone who has that book please post the cue titles for Star Trek I-VI scores pretty please? Since Mr. Bond doesn't mind.
posted 01-18-2006 04:45 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	So it appears that this thread was basically a wishful thinking thread?
posted 01-31-2006 09:30 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	Yep....
posted 01-31-2006 11:07 AM PT (US)

soundwave Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by JeffBond: Don't worry; I never received a penny in royalties for that Star Trek book so post away! There's some good stuff missing from the two Horner scores and I too miss the writing Horner used to do for projects like that. GNP is definitely out of the running although supposedly they also had the rights to do Star Trek albums in perpetuity so I'm not sure how all that works out. But between that and Paramount the outlook is grim. I know a major soundtrack producer who's been wanting to do Star Trek V for years and has never gotten any traction out of it (existing rights from the LP labels that put out the original albums is a problem too). And you've got yet ANOTHER problem now that there is no Star Trek project in production to attach promotion to. It's a lousy situation across the board... I do have a suggestion Mr. Bond regarding ST II. I am somewhat hesitate to post it yet on the messageboard. Thanks.
posted 06-25-2006 07:37 AM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Standard Userer	I have Star Trek III on a disc. The problem is its labeled Its Alive and in a case with a Its Alive case. LOL. J.
posted 06-25-2006 03:22 PM PT (US)

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