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    Topic:   THE PHANTOM MENACE COMPLETE SCORE: NOVEMBER 7th

     Ricard L. Befan
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    From the FSM website:

    "Mark you calendars! November 7th is the release date for Sony Classical's 2CD set release of the complete score to Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace (John Williams) -- all the music in chronological order, 65 cues / 2+ hours in all"
    http://www.filmscoremonthly.com

    YES!

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    posted 09-01-2000 01:16 AM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    I will NOT be buying this!!

    NP : MULAN - Goldsmith

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    posted 09-01-2000 04:04 AM PT (US)     

     Will
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    I WILL be buying this!

    NP The Rock

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    posted 09-01-2000 05:56 AM PT (US)     

     Thor
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    I would LOVE to follow Timmer's example on this, basically because I HATE this kind of cash cow milking.

    However, as a John Williams completist, I don't know if I can resist.

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    posted 09-01-2000 06:09 AM PT (US)     

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    As much as I hate what Lucas does by releasing so many versions, I MUST HAVE THIS SCORE!!

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    posted 09-01-2000 07:34 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I will certainly buy this. I don't like Lucas marketing strategy, either, but I seriously doubt that he had much to do with this. Wasn't it Williams himself who voted for a single CD release?

    NP: El Salon Mexico (Aaron Copland)

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    posted 09-01-2000 07:56 AM PT (US)     

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    Do NOT under-estimate the power of the force!

    Ed

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    posted 09-01-2000 08:01 AM PT (US)     

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    I'M NOT BUYING IT!

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    posted 09-01-2000 08:12 AM PT (US)     

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    While I don't condone Lucas's moneygrubbing ways, nor do I respect it, (because when it comes down to it, Star Wars is his baby and he approves everything that occurs, so I really think he is to blame for this), I WILL buy the CD set because I love John Williams and don't blame him for any of this.

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    posted 09-01-2000 09:32 AM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    For all the bashing about Lucas' "decisions" remember that he doesn't make the decisions about the CD's. That's Williams' decision about what is and is not included on a particular disc.

    Kevin

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    posted 09-01-2000 10:09 AM PT (US)     

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    It's like a phucking complete Williams Star Wars score and you're not buying it???? come on buddy! hehe

    NP: Days Of Thunder (Hans Zimmer) ****/*****

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    posted 09-01-2000 11:05 AM PT (US)     

     Aaron Collins
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    This is the Phantom Menace 2 CD set! How could you not buy it? It is well worth the extra money! Will it have extensive liner notes or will we have to wait another 3 years?

    Later,
    Aaron

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    posted 09-01-2000 11:42 AM PT (US)     

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    Remember Sony paod several million dollars for the right to have this music. They are trying to recoup! Don't forget them in the blame game!

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    posted 09-01-2000 11:44 AM PT (US)     

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    I will certainly get this.

    I don't think it is going to be the cash cow that everyone thinks.

    I actually don't think that it is going to sell massive numbers, except to score collectors, unless they discontinue the one disc version.

    This is the version that we asked for. I think the general public that bought the first album will not replace it.

    This will sell to Star Wars fans who have to everything and score fans who realized at the first showing of the film that the single disc album was lacking in many ways.

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    posted 09-01-2000 11:51 AM PT (US)     

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    The original album is terribly produced, who agrees with me?

    I've waited for this for a while but it must be done properly.


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    posted 09-01-2000 01:13 PM PT (US)     

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    To miss out on this great score because of certain principals, is admirable. I just don't care. I am getting it. In fact, it is fun to have two versions.


    Scott

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    posted 09-01-2000 02:53 PM PT (US)     

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    I think it was wrong of Sony and/ or JW to stifle the TPM score with a single CD release in the first place.

    not just 2 years after the tremendous 2CD Special Editions (well, excluding the new Jabba song in JEDI).


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    posted 09-01-2000 05:12 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    You know, thinking about this I am quite taken by the fact that some of us complain about this and won't buy the score but would dish out more money for a bootleg of the score.

    Does that make any sense?

    Scott

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    posted 09-01-2000 05:19 PM PT (US)     

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    I've been pretty vocal about my feelings about the original album. I'm very happy that someone is doing the right thing.

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    posted 09-01-2000 05:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Its Williams I'M THERE!!

    --Kyp

    NP: That song in "The Replacements"

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    posted 09-01-2000 07:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Nov 7th can't get here fast enough. Hopefully now that Sony is releasing this they will do this with Episode II & III when they come out instead of waiting.

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    posted 09-01-2000 08:04 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm sure as hell buying it. I've been waiting for just such a release ever since I cringed when I saw the incomplete track listing on the original release. I'll be counting the days.

    Chris Harben
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    posted 09-01-2000 08:44 PM PT (US)     

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    I didn't buy the original release because of the hope of an expanded score. I'm definitely buying this one!

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    posted 09-01-2000 09:32 PM PT (US)     

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    I want Under Fire and TZ: Movie.

    Hmph.

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    posted 09-01-2000 09:50 PM PT (US)     

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    Much as I hate Lucasfilm's marketing, I have to admit their products usually rule and therefore once again they'll be getting my money.

    As I said in the previous thread, I hope there will be some continuity regarding the packaging of the prequel complete scores. The original trilogy special editions make a really cool set and I'd hate to see the prequels get similar facelifts come 2006, just to get more money.

    How come sonyclassical.com doesn't mention this and Amazon etc. don't have a preorder feature?

    NP - SW Episode 1 - Anyone up for a trade?
    Just kidding, I'll definetely be keeping this for the concert suites - esp Anakin's Theme.

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    posted 09-02-2000 03:08 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    But the end credits track does include both of these concert suites (they are complete, aren't they?). Anyway, I'll keep my original album, too. As I keep saying, I never give away a CD. I have two nearly identical copies of Morricone's Once Upon a Time in the West and intend to keep them.

    NP: Ummagumma (Pink Floyd)

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    posted 09-02-2000 05:34 AM PT (US)     

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    man, I've got some CD cases that hold like 6 CDs apiece. I'm gonna keep my bootleg which has the commercials and three live cuts from his Tanglewood concert in August 1999, the original CD, and the new 2CD set.

    a little overboard perhaps, but dammit, I like the score.

    NP -- Jaws 2. I like this one, too.

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    posted 09-02-2000 06:14 AM PT (US)     

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    I hope it won't be delayed like ST:TMP. This is Sony Classical, but I don't want to jix it.

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    posted 09-02-2000 06:25 AM PT (US)     

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    Great news, but I am wondering how they're going to go about doing this release. For instance, the brief whisper of a line from Duel of the Fates before Sieous' hologram appears on the bridge and the music launches into the Emperor's theme, this was an editing descision made at a later date and not recoded live. Will we get the movie cut, or the original recording? I'd kinda like the former, it gives me chills.

    It's the mass editing of the score that makes me curious about this release as a whole frankly, since Lucas had a lot of cues cut up, bits spliced here and there, and mixed in with different cues throughout. How are we going to be hearing this on the CDs? Cues edited together as it is in the movie? Ok, that'd be good, but they didn't always have a nice flow to them because a good few were all spliced with bits from other cues, and if it doesnt all have a nice flow then they probably wont go with the movie edits for the 2 CD score. So what then? :-/

    I wan't bloody everything here. I have a radio promo which includes the film version of the end titles (+vader breathing) and it'd be nice to have this on the new release, though minus the breath. Why? Just so we have the full recording of the theme, minus any SFX interruption.

    I don't want repeats of cues on this new one like on the old one! Anakin's theme has no reason to be presented twice in its entirity on the current release, and maybe even the same for Duel of the Fates. Keep DOTF to all the cues as it appears with in the movie, and keep the edit of it in the end title mix (has a good chunk removed in the credits playback of it). Let the concert version of DOTF remain on the old score CD and dold score CD only...

    Can't help but worry we wont have it all to be honest. I hope for the best and with Nov 7th as the date I will be able to buy this out in LA when I am there. Pointless repetition of full cues a la the current CD is not what I want (take your pick, 'arrival at courascant,' 'anakins theme' and DOTFm all waste space by multiple playbacks on the current CD) and if they fill it with dialogue and sound fx, by god someone @ Sony will pay!

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 09-03-2000 02:45 AM PT (US)     

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    As it's supposed to be chronological, I guess we'll be lucky and won't get the conert suites, at least not within the score (at the end, maybe). Nothing wrong with the concert suites, but I don't need them twice on the CD.

    I hope they give us the original tracks, not the movie re-edits. I'm sure most re-edits "hurt" the music. As for Vader's breathing, I'd be glad if they put it at the end. Like the giggling girls in Poltergeist.

    And if they have a recording of the rumoured alternative main title, I'd LOOOVE to hear it!

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    posted 09-03-2000 07:39 AM PT (US)     

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    Dan,

    if you are going to be in the LA area, we gotta hook up man. We just gotta.


    Scott

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    posted 09-03-2000 09:51 AM PT (US)     

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    I will be buying this one. Of course, I haven't bought "that other release".

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    posted 09-03-2000 10:22 AM PT (US)     

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    Actually, I think that it should be pretty clear that this score is probably going to follow in format the RCA releases.

    When the say "as heard in the film," they only mean that the score will be complete and in chronological order.

    Certain re-scoring stuff (almost every appearance of the Imperial March in Empire was re-tracked) would probably not be included. Aspects of the original recording that would not be obvious from the film would become clear on the 2 CD set.

    Chances are, both "Anakin's Theme" and "Duel of the Fates" will be included on the new set, probably either heading side one or closing side two, or one doing each. As long as the rest of the score is there, I have no problem with this being there.

    The alternate title sequence would be a great bonus, I hope it shows up as well. The breathing on the end credits of the film will probably not be appearing on this disc.

    The problem here is that everyone is speculating based on what they heard on that horrible original album that makes no sense at all, and what George Lucas did with the score in the film, which, as has been noted before, is not the most musically saavy. The simple fact is that while we certainly have a very good idea of what this score sounds like (and it certainly doesn't sound much like the original album), there are aspects of it that we will all be discovering for the first time. This, to me, is fantastic.

    Each expanded incarnation of Return of the Jedi, the Arista box set and the RCA Special Edition version, has added so much to the experience of listening to this score (too bad about the awful sound quality on the RCA discs) simply because there was so much music that we were not aware of, or was buried under effects in a pretty cluttered sound mix. And don't forget how great it was to have the full "The S--t Hits the Fan" sequence from Empire on disc.

    I think that we should stop trying to speculate as to what will be on the disc and start getting excited about what we are about to hear. The promise is that everything will be there. Given that there is a precendence for this with the previous Star Wars scores, I think everybody should relax. It's coming.

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    posted 09-03-2000 12:23 PM PT (US)     

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    Can't wait!

    quote:
    Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
    Certain re-scoring stuff (almost every appearance of the Imperial March in Empire was re-tracked) would probably not be included.

    I get mad every time I hear the "Hyperspace" cue during the snowspeeder sequence, and even more so about the way they tracked it into Jedi.

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    posted 09-03-2000 02:46 PM PT (US)     

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    I'll definately be buying the score. I have the original release and it's VERY lacking, after hearing the bootleg copy (I only have it in mp3).

    Talking of Lucas being a money grabber:
    I think it's in November as well, when a boxed set of Special Edition Trilogy is being rereleased on VHS, with 10 minutes of footage from Episode 2 being on the tapes. I won't be buying this set, as I already have the original version (when they THX'd it) and the SE boxed set. Why waste money so I can just get the Ep 2 footage. I'm sure someone will capture it and put it up for download somewhere!

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    posted 09-03-2000 09:03 PM PT (US)     

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    Marian, how's this for even worse... the musical changes made to the trilogy for those awful "Special Edition" versions.

    "Jabba's Theme," for example, is heard during the additional sequence with Han and Jabba. This is kind of silly, as this theme was not really established in any way until Return of the Jedi; it's use here makes one wonder why the Imperial March isn't also tracked in somewhere in this film.

    The "Hyperspace" cue in Empire is completely destroyed by the addition of pointless footage (cribbed from Jedi) as Vader boards his shuttle...

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    posted 09-03-2000 09:37 PM PT (US)     

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    Scott,

    E-mail me. I arrive on November 5th and am there until the 12th. I am going as part of the Home Theater Forum meet up as we're getting guided tours of Fox, Paramount and DTS along with DVD preview screenings at the two studios (sworn to secrecy over what ones). We are also going to Dave's Studio Day on the saturday, chillin with studio reps as they show off their latest and upcoming DVDs, but in my spare days there (5th to the 7th) I will be doing disney and universal, the tourist that I am...

    Dan (UK)

    PS: There is no "footage" from ep2 on the upcoming VHS re-issues, just 10 mins of on set stuff and for the most part, interviews with cast & crew.

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    posted 09-04-2000 01:31 PM PT (US)     

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    The special edition release of the Star Wars movies added a couple of nice touches to the original movies. I liked some of it, like the inclusion of the Jabba sequence in the first movie; that was kinda fun. But some changes were really ill judged. What I hated the most was the fact that Greedo now shoots first.

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    posted 09-04-2000 01:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Yes, I am so buying this score!!! With the release of Jaws, Superman, and now TPM, can Indiana Jones be far behind? I think not.


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    posted 09-04-2000 01:59 PM PT (US)     

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
    Marian, how's this for even worse... the musical changes made to the trilogy for those awful "Special Edition" versions.

    I've seen them only once, and couldn't compare them directly. Can't remember too many differences.

    I kind of liked the Jabba part. After all, Lucas wanted to do this when he was originally shooting the film, but had to cut it because the technology wasn't advanced enough. I understand why he put that scene into the special edition, and be honest: To use Jabba's theme is only logical.

    I remember you mentioning the Hyperspace part several times, and I can imagine that this ruins the music.

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