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    Topic:   RUMORS ON A COMPLETE TPM SCORE RELEASE

     Ricard L. Befan
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    A few hours ago, John Wagner posted the following scoop on the TFN message boards:

    "I work for a music & video store and I'm usually not one to reveal any SW "scoops" on the net, but this was a particularly important issue to me, and to see it finally resolved is a relief. According to someone I know at Sony Classical, they're planning on issuing a complete TPM soundtrack in November to ride the coattails the video re-release of the trilogy is bound to stir. The 2 CD set will be in complete sequential order as the music appeared in the film, a la the RCA Victor releases for the Special Editions. Sadly, my friend didn't know, and was kind of doubtful, that Sony would do the hologram-images-on-the-CDs thing, as well. (The limited edition versions of the original Trilogy's soundtracks were some of the niftiest packages I've seen....oh well...) "

    I emailed John in order to get further details on the subject, and this was his reply:

    "In short, I work for J&R Music World in New York. I was manager of the classical music department for over a year, and developed a good relationship with our rep from Sony Classical. He told me about this personally about 2 weeks ago. I'm sorry to be so "Deep Throat"-ish about this, but he was as anxious to keep his name out of this as he was in getting the info out. He knows I frequent the forums at TFN, and suggested I let everyone know. I do trust him and believe the information accurate. If you'd like I can forward you any news of more "official" confirmation as I see it (sell sheets, etc). I will ask him more about this next time I see him, probably not until this Thursday.

    I love John Williams' work myself, and I agree this is a dream come true."

    John WILL keep us posted on this as we wait for official news from the Sony Classical label. Stay tuned!

    Ricard L. Befan
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    posted 08-19-2000 10:09 AM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    I'm not doubting what your friend says, but after all this time, the "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude has surfaced.

    But I surely hope so...

    Kevin

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    posted 08-19-2000 10:24 AM PT (US)     

     Onelegger
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    "Patience, for the jedi it is time to eat as well."

    - yoda

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    posted 08-19-2000 11:28 AM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    I'm not sure if this is a fan's idea of fun, getting everybody's hopes up or what, but I'll say this...

    If this is true, then I'll be a much happier Swashbuckler.

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    posted 08-19-2000 12:33 PM PT (US)     

     Ricard L. Befan
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    As the title of the report says, this is only a rumor.
    Consequently I think Kevin's attitude is the RIGHT one

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    posted 08-19-2000 01:33 PM PT (US)     

     JClark
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    I just got my (unofficial) expanded TPM CDR (sigh)....

    Curious marketing, though, if the rumor's true; I can't think of any soundtracks that have had an expanded release less than two years after the original (7o+ minute) issue. I wonder whether that's a money-making proposition. Any thoughts?

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    posted 08-19-2000 02:37 PM PT (US)     

     Darth Fart
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    Soundtrack Mag has confirmed this, TPM Expanded is coming!!!!!

    But, will it contain the original score that John composed for the final 20 minutes? Didn't Lucas hack up the music? John wasn't happy at all with that.

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    posted 08-20-2000 09:31 AM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    Rich,

    Even reading about this previous post, I return to your original post on this subject, where your source says he'll "can forward you any news of more "official" confirmation as I see it."

    Please keep in contact with him as to whether this is "really" genuine, and pass it on to us.

    Darth: Whatever you feel about Lucas "hacking up the music" (not that I don't agree with you, but it has to fit the scenes), he (Lucas) won't have any say on the CD. It will be whatever Mr. Williams wants. Of that we can be sure.

    Kevin

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    posted 08-20-2000 04:23 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I won't believe it until it's official, but then...

    ...GIMME!

    Kevin, wasn't the original TPM album what Williams wanted?

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    posted 08-20-2000 06:00 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Just checked Sony Classical's website. Of course, they don't have any statement on this yet (IF it's true at all, I guess they still want to sell the "old" album), but I was surprised to hear Williams' Summon the Heroes on the starting page.

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    posted 08-20-2000 06:24 PM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    Well, as far I as know, Williams has a say on what goes on to any of the albums he either produces and/or has his score on. I might be in error here though.

    Kevin

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    posted 08-20-2000 09:08 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    Well until Sony Classical says they are releasing an expanded TPM score I'll just go about my normal life. If they do then I'll believe it. Although Soundtrack Mag seems to have their act together I fear some people may be in for a major letdown. Personally I would like to hear from Mr. Thaxton regarding this issue too. What's the deal Ford or are you at liberty not to discuss anything until an official announcement is made?

    [This message has been edited by Mark Olivarez (edited 20 August 2000).]

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    posted 08-20-2000 09:14 PM PT (US)     

     Darth Fart
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    Originally, Williams had different music in place of Duel of the Fates scoring the action in the palace. Lucas decided to mess around with the music too much.

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    posted 08-21-2000 01:08 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Darth Fart:
    Originally, Williams had different music in place of Duel of the Fates scoring the action in the palace. Lucas decided to mess around with the music too much.

    Well, then I guess we'd get this "different music" IF this album is really in the making.

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    posted 08-21-2000 02:43 AM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    As I understand it, Williams wrote cues that were based on the "Duel of the Fates" theme. "DOTF" was an album cut, and its relationship to the score music was roughly similar to, say "The Forest Battle" on the original Return of the Jedi album.

    Unfortunately, Williams made the mistake of recording "Duel of the Fates" first, and Lucas started tracking that recording into the film with little regard for narrative or thematic continuity.

    Let's face it, that final battle has an awful music track, with DOTF showing up, disappearing, interrupted by another part of the cue itself... a big mess.

    While I like "DOTF," I don't like how it appears in the film, and am very interested in hearing what Williams actually composed for these scenes.

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    posted 08-21-2000 10:04 AM PT (US)     

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    I read somewhere that Lucas had an original cut for the last battle scenes which went perfectly with Williams' music; who composed and mixed around those scenes. Then, after the complete score was recorded, Lucas went back to those scenes and re-edited them so they would be less "confusing" and as a cause of this new edit - the music did not fit the scenes so Lucas phucked with the music and now we have the final film cut which sucks cause the music doe not fit the scenes at all. Williams had nothing to do with the final edit of the music or scenes.....so Williams' music got jacked.

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    posted 08-21-2000 11:34 AM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    I'd have to dig up the video, but I taped a whole bunch of stuff last year about TPM, and I seem to recall that the battle near the end of the movie was scored completely.

    IIRC, it was an interview on 60 minutes, and it was pointed out that Williams wrote an 18 minute "Battle Suite" for the fights.

    Kevin

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    posted 08-21-2000 02:00 PM PT (US)     

     Ricard L. Befan
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    You guys are absolutely correct.
    Check out this excerpt from one of the interviews available at John Williams Central:

    Interviewer:
    'Some say that certain sequences, especially the final battle scenes do not suit well your partition...

    JOHN WILLIAMS:
    There were matters which I could not control. I wrote my first partition on a first edit of the movie. Then, George Lucas showed the film to many people including Steven Spielberg and Ron Howard... and a second edit was made. I made adequate and necessary changes, but most of the time, I had to suppress complete cues. The "coherence" done during the scoring sessions in febuary was as linear as possible. At that time there were no problems with George. So I had to recalibre my compositions in function to the new edit.
    After these new sessions, George again showed The Phantom Menace, and some changes to the film were again made, and obviously, this "messed up" my second "coherence". George Lucas prefered mixing in certain passages of my music taken from other places, rather than ask for a re-score, which I could not have done anyways. As a musician I would have liked that things went differently. My first reaction as an artist was to transmit him a form of disapprobation, that, I think, he understood. He made the choice that seemed nessesary, but that artistically embarrass me. I bear no grudges though, because the whole experience was extraordinary. Now that the film is out in the U.S., I can permit myself this slight reticence."
    Sounds more like a composer nightmare to me, urgh...
    Working on the film was still a great experience and I'm waiting for the green light for episode 2.'


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    posted 08-21-2000 07:37 PM PT (US)     

     Darth Fart
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    I think we'll hear Williams' original since that was recorded on the master tapes.

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    posted 08-22-2000 06:09 AM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    There's only one small problem...

    It's been several days since this was (not really) announced and (kind of) confirmed. Since then, I've heard nobody confirm jack other than Soundtrack Mag.

    This might be a big hoax.

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    posted 08-22-2000 09:05 PM PT (US)     

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    I sure hope not.
    I also really hope that we get the score as originally recorded by Williams, not the Lucas hack job.

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    posted 08-23-2000 04:01 AM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    Swashbuckler I'm sure they checked their sources before running that story. But I know how you feel, I feel the same way. But Mr. Thaxton emailed to assure me they wouldn't print something without checking it first. He didn't elaborate any further on it though.

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    posted 08-23-2000 08:38 AM PT (US)     

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    Is it just me...OR IS ANYONE ELSE SICK OF PHANTOM MENACE?!?!?!?!?!?

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    posted 08-23-2000 03:04 PM PT (US)     

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    Blasphemy! How could anyone be sick of this masterpiece of film and score?

    Regards,
    Sean Robert Abbey

    [This message has been edited by sabbey (edited 23 August 2000).]

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    posted 08-23-2000 03:12 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, since it'll be a double disc, I'd love to see a couple versions of the last battle. The way Williams originally scored it, and what Lucas hacked, but in it's complete form (not hacked).

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    posted 08-23-2000 04:16 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I just realized that soundtrackmag states the CD will feature the full score "as heard in the film". So, if that's true (if the whole rumour is true, at all), we may NOT get Williams original cues, and not the alternate main title, either...

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    posted 08-24-2000 08:49 AM PT (US)     

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    Oh yeah! Damn, I just remembered that Williams did right a darker main title theme, s_h_i_t man! But, it's almost certain that they won't put the "battle of Naboo" in the way Lucas sliced it together, it doesn't sound good and the dits aren't clean.

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    posted 08-24-2000 01:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, now Film Score Monthly is also confirming the release. So there probably is some truth to this. I wouldn't think that these published sites would post such things without definate knowledge, do to legalities and all.

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    posted 08-25-2000 07:35 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    But they don't name any source. I think they write "Lucasfilm confirms". Does that mean Lucasfilm sent an official confirmation, or just that they heard they confirmed it? And if they really got something official, why didn't they cite it?

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    posted 08-25-2000 10:18 AM PT (US)     

     Ricard L. Befan
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    Sebulba, FSM is NOT confirming anything, they just mention the 'buzz' (based upon previous reports):

    "The big buzz this week is that Sony Classical is going ahead with a 2CD set of Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace to include John Williams's complete score. So yes, you were right all along -- you DID pay $18 for a CD that will soon be obsolete. However, we have no further word as to when the release will be available."


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    posted 08-25-2000 01:27 PM PT (US)     

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    I thought everyone hates this score? You won't even buy it, remember?

    [This message has been edited by scorethug (edited 25 August 2000).]

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