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    Topic:   Forgotten scores!

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    Sure there are scores that get mentioned at this site seemingly 20 times a day, but there are also those scores that are lucky to get mentioned at least once every 18 months. Here is a list of such scores:

    MURDER BY DEATH(proof that Dave Grusin should really stick to orchestral scores)
    THE CABLE GUY(John Ottman's score IS Elfmanesque, but it works on its own merit)
    almost anything by John Morris

    Any other thoughts?

    NP - Dr. Jekyll and Ms. Hyde ("Old Movie Music")

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    posted 04-04-2000 07:44 AM PT (US)     

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    >>MURDER BY DEATH(proof that Dave Grusin should really stick to orchestral scores)<<

    Grusin should stick to funky studio albums. That's what he knows best.

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    posted 04-04-2000 08:13 AM PT (US)     

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    John Morris is a great entertainer and a wonderful human being. His score for THE PRODUCERS is fab & gear. The mod-a-go-go source music that he wrote for Max's Swedish secretary is the kind of stuff you just don't hear anymore.

    In THE PRODUCERS, LSD auditions with a tune called "Love Power". Morris's arrangement for "Love Power" is a hypnotic psychedelic masterpiece. He even threw in some Burt Bacharachish piano chords, the kind of chords that create a melancholy tension. There's an achingly beautiful passage that has the following lyrics: "Love is the flower that is mine. When I'm walking with my darling and we're holding hands. And life is fine, cause she understands. Walking down the sunny street. Giving pretty flowers to the people that we meet."

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    posted 04-04-2000 08:36 AM PT (US)     

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    Come on Thor, Grusin is much better than you think of him. Don't forget he wrote the classic score to The Goonies, which still remains as his most popular and in demand score of his. Anyway here my list of forgotten scores:

    Mulholland Falls (Dave Grusin) Definetly one of his best scores of the 90's. This score is classic ode to Goldsmith's Chinatown, only a bit more up tempo.

    The Linguini Incident (Thomas Newman) This score is quirkiest score Newman has done in really long time and his last of pure comedy scores he's written. It's a mixture of jazz and his usual inventive quirks. It's too bad that most of it got dumped in the film.

    Fire In The Sky (Mark Isham) The film is underrated as is Isham's unique score. A mixture of big orchestra and electronics, Isham created a rather pleasant and sometimes downright frightening experience watching this film. The lengthy 12 piece Evil Spirits from the Sky is perfect example of this.

    The Dead Zone (Michael Kamen) How can any forget this wonderful classic score for this Stephen King adapation. With it's classic dissoance and vintage Kamen sound, with this early score Kamen quickly established himself as the hollywood composer.

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    posted 04-04-2000 09:35 AM PT (US)     

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    Grusin writes fine music, but I disagree with his approach to film scores, that's all.

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    posted 04-04-2000 09:42 AM PT (US)     

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    Composers/Scores we seldom hear about ? Good Topic!

    Well, part of that has to be that some of these guys have a small body of work or their scores are for older films all but forgotten. If John Corigliano hadn’t been nominated for Red Violin, I am sure we wouldn’t be talking about him. He has only scored 3 films. Or maybe there is no score available for their work.


    Here are some of my forgotten composers/scores

    Almost anything by Nino Rota.

    His marvelous score for Death on the Nile is just beautiful and majestic. I heartily recommend it.
    Of course, he is better known for The Godfather. But Death on the Nile is much better.

    Leith Stevens – War of the Worlds and When worlds collide. Both excellent.

    Simon Boswell – For his very creepy Lord of Illusions

    Michel LeGrand – Ice Station Zebra (Very Cool)

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    posted 04-04-2000 10:52 AM PT (US)     

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    Gil Melle. Five-star music for zero-star films. Anyone heard The Sentinel?

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    posted 04-04-2000 02:50 PM PT (US)     

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    MWR, LeGrand is quite underated, My personal fave is The Thomas Crown Affair!

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    posted 04-04-2000 05:15 PM PT (US)     

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    Yeah, I forgot that one! Very Good score.

    My Bad!

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    posted 04-04-2000 08:51 PM PT (US)     

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    MWRuger: Another underrated score from Boswell is HARDWARE, a film that also managed to incorporate pre-existing music in an appropriate fashion.

    "This is what you want,
    This is what you get!"

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    posted 04-05-2000 08:13 AM PT (US)     

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    When you knew that it was over
    Were you suddenly aware
    That the autumn leaves were turning
    To the color of her hair.
    http://stingetc.com/lyrics/windmills.html

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    posted 04-05-2000 09:00 AM PT (US)     

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    Most of Chris Young`s earlier (and later for that matter) scores hardly ever get mentioned
    Here`s a small list of his more `obscure` stuff that deserve more recognition:
    Max and Helen
    Haunted Summer (brilliant, one of his best)
    JUdicial Consent
    Jennifer 8
    Norma Jean and Marilyn
    Bright Angel
    U-Boats:Wolf Pack
    Hider in The House
    Copycat
    Bat 21
    Def Con 4
    Unforgettable (what a paradox)

    I`m sure there are more, can`t think of them now

    NP-ID4 complete ****/*****

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    posted 04-05-2000 09:08 AM PT (US)     

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    "Copycat" was one of the first movies I watched with home Dolby Surround equipment. The score features some very interesting surround effects, sometimes the music comes from the middle of the room.

    NP: My first digitally extracted wav file from the "Alien" isolated DVD score track. Sounds horrible, must have done something wrong.

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    posted 04-05-2000 12:55 PM PT (US)     

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    NP: Fred Karlin's WESTWORLD.

    (I think there has been an release on vinyl many, many, many years ago. Let's raise our voices in order to get a release on CD... :-))

    Does anybody know "THE JUPITER MENACE"? I have that record since the early eighties, but so far nobody really knew that score. It was composed by some guy called Larry Fast (doesn't seem to be his real name, though). It is a purely electronic score for a film I never had the chance of seeing... Do you know more about it????


    Greetings...
    Floyd.

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    posted 04-05-2000 03:42 PM PT (US)     

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    WESTWORLD was released TWICE, actually ... at the time it first came out (MGM Records? not sure, don't own it) and then reissued by MCA around 1988-89 as part of their series of reissues from the MGM Music catalogue. Perhaps the fellows who are putting out those Goldsmith titles from MGM will also consider reissuing THIS one, eh? (Why not on a double bill with SILENT RUNNING? Not sure if that was also MGM, that would make it easier and cheaper, wouldn't it.)

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    posted 04-05-2000 07:50 PM PT (US)     

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    How about BLACK ROBE by Henry Mancini? Great score not really mentioned at the board.

    I'm not even going on anymore. The list is too long. I'll just name a composer that doesn't get mentioned enough:

    Patrick Doyle

    np Days of Thunder ****

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    posted 04-06-2000 01:29 AM PT (US)     

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    Henry Mancini didn't do anything called BLACK ROBE. Are you thinking of the Delerue score? Or is this just one more rejected score I don't know about (I kind of doubt it in this case).

    I haven't heard many scores by Terry Plumeri, but all of them are excellent. I hope he manages to follow the Christopher Young route and crawl out of D-movie obscurity. (And speaking of neglected Young scores: just pick up Intrada's "Cinema Septet," this is all you'll ever hear of some of this stuff, including a piece he did for a student film at UCLA or USC, forget which.)

    Basil Poledouris' NO MAN'S LAND was done at the height of Hollywood's affair with the synthesizer, and remains one of the better examples of that kind of score from that period.

    NP: "Peter and the Wolf" (Prokofiev) but I want to hang it up in ten minutes, it's close to dawn ... although one nice thing about Daylight Savings Time, it's not already getting light outside, despite the hour ... on the other hand it's thrown me off my sleep schedule even more severely than I already was. What a world, what a world.

    [This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 06 April 2000).]

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    posted 04-06-2000 02:46 AM PT (US)     

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    Cinema Septet is a great compilation of Young`s earlier scores, really shows of his versatility.
    I agree, Patrick Doyle definitely does not get mentioned as often as he deserves

    NP-Outbreak complete ****/***** (that alternative track of Finding the Ship is just amazing)

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    posted 04-06-2000 06:20 AM PT (US)     

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    Doyle's my favourite composer of the "younger generation" - so he can't be mentioned often enough.

    NP: Cutthroat Island (Debney; fantastic!)

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    posted 04-06-2000 10:36 AM PT (US)     

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    Black Robe.....Delerue!!!!

    Cinema Septet?,Well recomended!!!

    NP : House on Carrol Street - delerue......pure coincidence!

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    posted 04-06-2000 06:21 PM PT (US)     

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    H Rocco:

    My mistake, it's Delerue odcourse. Oops.

    np Mulan expanded *****

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    posted 04-07-2000 06:16 AM PT (US)     

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    Another forgotten score:

    HEARTBEEPS by John Williams(I consider it to be one of his best, next to his better-known classics, of course)

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    posted 04-07-2000 09:46 AM PT (US)     

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    The forgotten Scores on my list:

    - "Miller's Crossing" (Carter Burwell)
    a very refreshing score

    - "The Usual Suspects" (John Ottman)
    very mysterious

    - "Explorers" (Jerry Goldsmith)
    I love the Main Title

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    posted 04-07-2000 10:12 AM PT (US)     

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    Hree's some I think shoudl e mentioned a few more times:


    Petulia, John Barry
    Sodom and Gomorrah, Rozsa
    Sommersby, Danny Elfman
    A Little Princess, Doyle
    The Conquerors, Victor Young (a wretched film)

    can we please have a release of Mystery Alaska and Fear, both by Carter Burwell?

    NP -- Bruckner, Symphony No 0

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    posted 04-07-2000 10:58 AM PT (US)     

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    Chris, Usual Suspects is excellant.

    I was rummaging through my collection and came across Bruce Broughton's marvelous Young Sherlock Holmes score. I like this much more than Silverado from the same time period.

    It doesn't get discussed much because it is so hard to find. But take a listen to it in the movie. Nice themes and the choral work in the temple scenes is excellant. Mr Broughton weaves these themes throughout the score masterfully.

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    posted 04-07-2000 11:24 AM PT (US)     

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    http://www.soundtrack-station.de/broughton/ysh_analysis.htm

    MEMO TO MW RUGER: "The lyrics to the choral section are nonsense syllables formed by Broughton from classical pseudo-Egyptian names. The barbaric effect of the theme belies its complexity. It gets an unsettling rhythmic feel from its 7/4 meter and is often heard away from its choral presentation as a leitmotif in the score proper. Its appearances are usually as oboe solos scored in the high register of the instrument so as to capture the nasal bell-like tones we often associate with middle-eastern music."

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    posted 04-07-2000 05:32 PM PT (US)     

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    How about Joel Goldsmith`s score to Moon 44?
    Nobody mentions this at all. It`s very similar to Goldsmith senior`s work during the Rambo period, but is still original enough to make it a great listen. What about Joel`s score to Kull the Conqueror? A great mix of Arnold-style orchestral/choral bombast and contemporary `rock` music

    NP:East-West (Doyle) ****/***** (GREAT! He has returned to the old dramatic form)

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    posted 04-09-2000 07:42 AM PT (US)     

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    Also, Philippe Sarde's EVE OF DESTRUCTION.

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    posted 04-10-2000 06:52 AM PT (US)     

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    The scores of John DuPrez. Some scores from this talented Englishman include ONCE BITTEN, OXFORD BLUES, UHF, the TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES films and A FISH CALLED WANDA.

    NP - Cutthroat Island
    ("The Language of Romance")

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    posted 04-12-2000 05:50 AM PT (US)     

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    Nick Glennie-Smith's HOME ALONE 3.

    I am sick and tired of being the only one replying to this thread, especially since I'm the one who started it. I know that the rest of you have favorite scores that no one mentions.

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    posted 04-13-2000 08:14 AM PT (US)     

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    Ah, John DuPrez, haven't thought about him in a while. Have you heard his rambunctious score for the Michael Palin comedy A PRIVATE FUNCTION?

    I'll also mention Mike Moran's work on TIME BANDITS (Trevor Jones also contributed a cue, the pipe-music dance when the disguised dwarves rob King Agamemnon.)

    Maury Laws wrote a strange, wistful score for THE LAST DINOSAUR (made for theaters, but finally shown on ABC instead, 1977.) The whole thing, though, has that weird echo-chamber sound that was popular in Japanese animated scores at the time (probably because it was arranged, conducted and recorded in Japan by Kenjiro Hirose -- I've actually wondered whether he ghost-wrote much of it.)

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    posted 04-13-2000 11:55 AM PT (US)     

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    I couldn't say, H. But here are two more great scores.

    I LOVE YOU TO DEATH(James Horner)
    SGT. BILKO(Alan Silvestri)

    If there's one thing I love in a film score, it's steel drums.

    NP - Glory("Forming the Regiment")

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    posted 04-14-2000 08:47 AM PT (US)     

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    HAH! Steel drums ... me too.

    I don't know if these count as "neglected," since FSM issued a double CD of them, but Gerald Fried's horror scores are phenomenal, and anyone who likes his STAR TREK work would certainly like these. I'm especially impressed by how DIFFERENT each one is ... except for the kind of repeats ANY composer falls into, you wouldn't necessarily mistake one from one film for another from another.

    I kind of liked John DuPrez's main title for ONCE BITTEN, bought the LP (very cheap) just to hear it again.

    Charles Bernstein has written some wonderful stuff, including the 1982 (?) TV miniseries SADAT. Strange that his legacy seems likely to be one of his lesser works, the original NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET ... he did a much more interesting job on the later horror picture APRIL FOOL'S DAY (a Varese LP release).

    Terry Plumeri's done great, great work, and yet he's been unable to rise above the D-movie (or even Z-movie) ghetto. That's a guy who really needs a break. (A mututal friend -- I don't know Plumeri -- has told me that Plumeri keeps thinking about getting out of the business. It would be a real loss, the guy has some real compositional ability, and with any luck is only going to get better.)

    Richard Stone's PUMPKINHEAD has been mentioned on the Scary threads, but deserves another nod.

    I think Ry Cooder is really undervalued, and that his SOUTHERN COMFORT is splendid. As well, PARIS, TEXAS is one of my favorite scores of the 1980s.

    NP: LEVIATHAN (one of the underregarded Goldsmiths -- I wish this album were complete, it was recorded in Rome, so what's the excuse?)

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    posted 04-14-2000 03:12 PM PT (US)     

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    Hey, what about Richard`s Stone`s Sundown, great Horror/Western combination. It`l from 1989, when it seems almost every score of this type was performed by the Graunke Smphony Orchestra. The cd is out-of-print, though

    NP-Snow Falling on Cedars *****/*****

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    posted 04-15-2000 04:27 AM PT (US)     

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    I love DeWolfe's pounding, brass-heavy scores for MONTY PYTHON & THE HOLY GRAIL and MIGHTY PEKING MAN. Thing is, I'm not sure whether DeWolfe is even a single person, or really a factory, since in the wake of HOLY GRAIL, I saw Terry Gilliam's subsequent TIME BANDITS, and one of the additional music credits is for an entity called "DeWolfe Ready Music." A forerunner of Media Ventures? It could also be a library-music house of some kind, since none of the music in MIGHTY PEKING MAN (also shown in the US as GOLIATHON) really seems to be scored directly to the action; while in HOLY GRAIL, it kind of appears that they've cut AROUND these big, nonspecific but epic cues.

    I don't know if this is still true -- if the industry still works this way -- but composers have been known to write music exclusively for library sales. John Scott wrote a couple of bits that wound up on the TV show DALLAS (during the musicians' strike of the early eighties, or was it late seventies? whichever.) The original TWILIGHT ZONE scores have found their way into libraries, too -- I've heard Goldsmith's "The Invaders" and "Back There" in more movies and TV shows than I care to count. NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD was done entirely with library music as well (the ORIGINAL, not that recent atrocity that passes itself off as a Special Edition. Oh, it's Special, all right.)

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    posted 04-15-2000 12:14 PM PT (US)     

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    H. Rocco,

    I saw a credit on a cheap 70s British horror movie (can't remember which one) that read "Library music by DeWolfe." There weren't any scenes set in a library though, which foxed me for a few years. I've since seen his name on a couple of ultra-cheapo things. I do get the feeling, as you suspect, that the man is actually a library.

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    posted 04-16-2000 02:15 PM PT (US)     

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    Bruce Broughton's STAY TUNED.

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    posted 04-17-2000 02:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Colin Towns' score for THE PUPPET MASTERS - very 'old-school' sci-fi score (for a pretty solid film to boot.)

    DeWolfe is a music library - there are lp's available (albeit high-priced); bound to be something available on CD, if one doesn't mind doing some digging.

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    posted 04-18-2000 10:26 AM PT (US)     

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    George Fenton' SHADOWLANDS. While some may prefer Fenton's newer "Hollywood" sound, I prefer the quiet eloquence of this score. As a matter of fact, I think it's absolutely brilliant in its execution, being a beautiful symbiosis of the themes of C. S. Lewis's emotional repression and devout Christianity. The two are musically linked together by Fenton in the form of an original motet (?) entitled VENI SANCTE SPIRITUS. Not only in this piece dead accurate in its emulation of 16th-17th Century music of the Anglican Church and sung by a choir of men and boys, it also contains a very important musical motif: a broken major arpeggio in the sequence of 1-3-3-1, 3-5-5-3, 5-8-8-5, 5-3-3. This is initially voiced onscreen by a wordless treble voice, and represents both visually and metaphorically the emotionally shut-off, rigid Lewis. This motif comes into play several times during the score , always in the same confined restriction of the octave. Until the very end....The cue "As A Boy and as a Man", the last cue in the film before the end credits, accompanies a voice-over by Lewis (Anthony Hopkins)in which he reflects on his departed love and his subsequent emotional growth and the realization that only with the existence and knowledge of intense sorrow can there also be the existence and knowledge of joy. This is emphasized with the return of the arpeggio and the treble voice, but this time the theme, like Lewis, allows itself to grow. It begins very much the same, although the first two small phrases are a little elongated, as if a child is taking its first steps: 1-3-3-1...., 3-5-5-3..., then it finally blossoms continuing on its upward reach 5-8-8-5-7-8-9(2)-5-3-2-1. (The last four notes are continuing on up the scale...I wish there was a way to notate this!) The treble voice and orchestra soar to a very satifyingly understated crescendo, then quiets in the final measures, then screen fades to black. This is film scoring of the highest order and it's a criminal and artistic shame that the score wasn't an Oscar nominee. I highly, highly recommend it.

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    posted 04-18-2000 12:28 PM PT (US)     

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    Colin Towns also wrote a splendidly oppressive score for RAWHEAD REX.

    My favorite George Fenton is certainly MEMPHIS BELLE, a big corny movie with exactly the huge, romantic "Danny Boy"-based score that the picture wanted. File the movie under "guilty pleasures," but the Fenton score is the real thing.

    NP: LONE WOLF McQUADE (Francesco DeMasi) (Colosseum expanded CD -- not sure if their American counterpart Varese released an EXPANDED CD)

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