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Topic: The Best Bond is Now on My Shelf!

perfpitch
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After exploring eBay and Half.com looking for a DVD copy of the best of all Bonds, ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE -- usually for $30.00 and up -- what should I find and pounce on in a local video store, but a used, but mint, copy of the disc for $9.99!It ensures that E.S. Blofeld will be foiled yet again!
posted 05-07-2003 01:18 AM PT (US) 
SirT

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Sure, OHMSS is the most original of the series, but for the sake of starting an old debate all over again Peter Hunt made such a mess of his job that I can't put it on par with Terence Young's - a much finer craftsman IMHO - takes on the series.[Message edited by SirT on 05-07-2003]
posted 05-07-2003 01:35 AM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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My two cents and let the fur fly!Having thought about it for some time and over the years, I have to say that IMHO On Her Majesty's Secret Service is the best of the Bond films.
I like the batchelor Bond that George Lazenby played, I thought there was an interesting story, lots of action, neat bits like the shot of Diana Rigg being taken away that reflects in the window, Bond reading Playboy, the night spent in the barn, etc. I have a friend who thinks the film is confusing, but I disagree.
I did for many years think that You Only Live Twice was the better film. It had set pieces like the rooftop fight and helicopter battle among others, but what ultimately killed it for me is that it also had plot holes and it went into self-parody at the end with the volcano erupting and Bond and company swimming away in fast motion. If you are able to see a clear 35mm widescreen print of this film projected, however, you will have to admit that every shot is just beautifully composed, it is a better looking film than OHMSS, it just has less interesting content.
I don't care for the Terence Young Bonds. Dr. No is fine, but From Russia With Love and Thunderball just don't work for me. This will baffle people who love these films, but I do feel this way. The helicoptor business in FRWL just seems a re-do of the cropdusting scene from NBNW but much more poorly done. The two gypsy girls fighting is fun, but that's about it. Thunderball has 2 good bits, cutting the pilot's air hose and Bond coercing the girl at the spa into sex. Beyond that it's nothing.
Goldfinger directed by Guy Hamilton has much more going for it than the Young Bonds. Diamonds Are Forever is watchable but nothing special.
The Moore Bonds are fun but none of them is really special. The Spy Who Loved Me is unwatchable, just beyond bad. Octopussy and Moonraker probably come off best.
The Living Daylights ranks with OHMSS and YOL2x as the third best Bond. I liked Dalton and it looks visually amazing and there is a lot of interesting symbolism in the imagery which makes it a more intelligent film than it would seem on the surface. The second Dalton film was a letdown and none of the Brosnan films have been anything special, though I'd have to say that nearly all of the Bond films are entertaining and all of them have at least a stunt or a joke that works.
posted 05-07-2003 03:29 AM PT (US) 
perfpitch
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Actually, I don't like Lazenby at all. The man can't act worth a damn, and looks like an expressionless mannequin, to boot, but the film is just so good in every other way (though Telly Savalas, an actor I've always liked a lot, is simply too thuggish as Blofeld) that the whole simply triumphs over the shortcomings of several of its (admittedly most important) parts.Beyond that, I think FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE is the second-best Bond film, for the restraint it shows, particularly in the quiet, professional lethality of Robert Shaw's Red Grant, and its more romantic tone, from the casting of the rather sweet Daniela Bianchi to the use of its Istanbul locations.
GOLDFINGER may be, however, the most enjoyably "Bondian" Bond film, in that it hits all the right notes flawlessly, with a flamboyance that seems to dovetail seamlessly with the 1960s notion that Britain, from Carnaby Street to the inspired antics of The Beatles in A HARD DAY'S NIGHT, was the center of the pop-cultural universe. GOLDFINGER was also, sadly, the last Bond film in which Sean Connery seemed to enjoy himself in the role, before he began to give the distinct impression that he thought he had more important things to do elsewhere...
I also agree that Timothy Dalton made a very fine Bond. He is, without doubt, the best-trained actor to ever play the role, and is the only one, besides Connery, to capture Ian Fleming's intention that Bond, at some sadistic level, actually enjoys killing...
It's too bad that LICENCE TO KILL (a great title; the film was initially -- and more accurately -- to be called "Licence Revoked" [shockingly, the producers were afraid that not enough people know what the word "revoked" means!] then "Licence Renewed," before the producers settled on the final one-size-fits-all title LICENCE TO KILL) is such a terrible movie (due, in no small part, to the fact that it has a thoroughly uncharismatic drug-lord villain, and the dullest pre-title sequence of any Bond film), but its predecessor, THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS (a dreadful title) is, in fact, a crackerjack adventure in the best Bond tradition (with the exception of the Afghanistan sequences, which are too redolent of the Roger Moore entries in the series). The film's great strength is that, in addition to the pleasures afforded by a good Bond film, it also works on the level of simple spy-thriller, an essential aspect of the concept that the producers and studio too often forget.
It's a great shame that Dalton couldn't continue in the role, as the current films are hamstrung by Pierce Brosnan's lightweight flippancy, the movies' fatal lack of sophistication in comparison with the earlier films in the series (including even the Moore films), and the degeneration of the franchise into the mold of simple-minded action films, virtually indistinguishable from other movies competing in the marketplace.
[Message edited by perfpitch on 05-07-2003]
posted 05-07-2003 12:32 PM PT (US) 
James Phillips

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Remember when ABC-TV first broadcasted OHMSS? My neighbors heard me screaming as I went off on one of my rants when the editing and programming geniuses butchered this film by having someone do a voice-over posing as Lazenby doing Bond, having the ski chase escape in the beginning of the film, and making this a two-night presentation. At that point, I swore off watching any Bond film on ABC.
posted 05-16-2003 08:01 PM PT (US) 
perfpitch
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What's worse is that, for over a decade, that travesty was the only version of the film available.
posted 05-18-2003 12:10 PM PT (US) 
perfpitch
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Parts of threads have been disappearing! Have you noticed...?
posted 05-18-2003 12:12 PM PT (US) 
James Phillips

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Only the threads on my clothes. Or could it be one of your right-wing conspiracies?
posted 05-18-2003 04:12 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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quote:
Originally posted by James Phillips:
Remember when ABC-TV first broadcasted OHMSS? My neighbors heard me screaming as I went off on one of my rants when the editing and programming geniuses butchered this film by having someone do a voice-over posing as Lazenby doing Bond, having the ski chase escape in the beginning of the film, and making this a two-night presentation. At that point, I swore off watching any Bond film on ABC.UNBELIEVABLE!....and I thought it was bad when the Gumbolt Safe sequence was taken out!!

posted 05-18-2003 06:19 PM PT (US) 
James Phillips

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Two of the best one-liners (sexual puns) that were cut; when Irma Bunt asks Sir Hillary (Bond) at the dinner lounge scene if he felt all right after Ruby wrote her room number on his inner thigh, Bond replied "I have a slight stiffening coming on."The other was when Bond dropped his kilt and Ruby started to giggle, "it's true, it's true."
Another great scene directly from the book was when one of Blofeld's men fell in the snow blower. On TV, Bond looks back and says, "he sure had guts."
posted 05-20-2003 07:50 PM PT (US) 
perfpitch
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As much as I love OHMSS, this is pretty sophomoric stuff.One of the great missed opporunities for a Bond quip came (or didn't come) as 007 was being pursued through Ellot Carver's (Jonathan Pryce) printing plant in TOMORROW NEVER DIES.
I don't remember what silly words the writers placed in Bond's mouth, but as his pursuers fell to their deaths within the giant, churning newspaper-printing machinery, he should have deadpanned:
"What's black-and-white and red all over...?"
[Message edited by perfpitch on 05-25-2003]
posted 05-25-2003 12:32 AM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

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What's funny is I grew up watching the Bond films with my father, mostly on ABC, but never saw OHMSS until I was out of college and 23 years old. It was a revelatory experience, something fully beyond what I had expected from Bond films. The total melancholy of the story, Bond, Tracy and the score just rang so true to characters who desperately want a true human attachment but are unable, whether due to their profession (Bond) or their self-destructive tendencies (Tracy). And how could you ever exceed Diana Rigg? The woman is just perfection.Another funny thing is upon rewatching Goldfinger in the new DVD box set, I found I don't count it as the pinnacle of Bond, as most critics and fans do. I certainly enjoy it, is is great fun for the pre-title sequence, the Aston Martin and Odd Job, but for me it is not as compelling as FRWL, OHMSS, LIVING DAYLIGHTS and FYEO. Maybe it's the Kentucky setting that just seems ho-hum to me, since I prefer Bond to stay outside the States as much as possible.
posted 06-02-2003 12:35 PM PT (US) 
perfpitch
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As I stated above, GOLDFINGER may be the perfect Bond film, in that it contains, in such wonderful proportion, all the elements that have made the Bond franchise endure for forty-one years.Nevertheless, "perfect" should not be taken as synonym for "best," because OHMSS, with its loftier ambitions, achieves more, even with its occasional failings, than does the obviously more simplistic GOLDFINGER.
A lot of it is, of course, subjective, which is why I also rate FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE above its immediate successor. A darker, less gimmicky film, with a far more credible and frightening villain in Robert Shaw's Red Grant (plus Lotte Lenya's Rosa Klebb), FRWL was also the first Bond film to really hit its stride after the somewhat awkward and amateurish maiden voyage that was DR. NO.
posted 06-02-2003 01:29 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
