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    Topic:   What Have You Seen In DECEMBER?

     Graham Watt
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    Wort aft yoo zeen in dismember pleeze

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    posted 11-30-2002 09:54 AM PT (US)     

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    Yu muzd wate unstul zunday for un andzer!

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    posted 11-30-2002 10:01 AM PT (US)     

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    Vot ist all zis vith the funni axent? Basil Fawlty gon zee vay of zee dogs?

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    posted 12-01-2002 12:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Die Another Day (2002)

    At least it was better than the last Bond offering. Entertaining for the time it lasted. But extremely bad special effects, a really bad Bond song (shoot Madonna) and credits, and the directing was really dull.

    Thankfully Rosamund Pike was really good looking

    [3/5]

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    posted 12-02-2002 05:54 AM PT (US)     

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    Caught Soderbergh's Solaris. I liked this a lot although the public is rejecting it and critics seem mixed. This isn't The Fast and the Furious. It's slow and conceptual rather than action-filled. And that's one of the refreshing things about it. Basically this is a spiritual/religious film in the guise of sci-fi. The message is that you'll keep repeating your mistakes until you decide to take the leap of faith and let higher powers run your life. The main character blows his chances with the same woman no less than 3 times before he decides not to "cut his finger in the same place." The planet Solaris is a metaphor for God or the Great Mystery which is why so little is explained about it. I'm going to re-watch the 1971 Russian version of the story sometime this week for comparisons sake. But I already know that the Russian film fills in more details. Interestingly, both the Russian and US versions have similar endings which differ from that of the original novel.

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    posted 12-04-2002 03:14 AM PT (US)     

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    Lou, Solaris sounds like a philosophical "Groundhog Day"!!

    Gae

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    posted 12-04-2002 01:56 PM PT (US)     

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    I caught Broken Arrow on AMC (shudder) this afternoon.

    great film; even greater score by Friedhofer (available on CD, in stereo, from BYU).

    is this movie on DVD? gotta look that up.


    NP -- Mass in b minor, JS Bach

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    posted 12-04-2002 08:20 PM PT (US)     

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    Gae--In a way you are right to make that comparison although I don't know if the filmmakers had that in mind. I did watch the Russian version. The Russian version has more to do with ecology and philosophy than the US version does. In Tarkovsky's other sci-fi film, Stalker, the team gets to their objective and chickens out about doing anything there. In Solaris, the team has made contact with something alien but just can't deal with it. Tarkovsky's take is that humans are weak, they seek but haven't the guts to deal with what they find. The US version sees humanity as able to take the plunge into the mythic realm, though not without struggle. In that sense it is a much more positive film. It's hard to say which is better, it's like apples and oranges. One version has things the other lacks and vice-versa. I wouldn't call either of them the best sci-fi film ever as some have of the Tarkovsky version, it's actually a very simple story that's been done on Star Trek and other TV shows just as well.

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    posted 12-07-2002 08:57 PM PT (US)     

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    Well Lou, you have to remember that the novel was written in '61 before Star Trek came about, and is actually rather original (in my opinion). My main problem with Soderbergh's film was that so much of the philosophical content and truly fantastic imagery contained in stanislaw Lem's novel is missing... yet at the same time I can understand why they were taking out. They're great to read, but would make for a very boring film.

    So all in all, I still found Soderbergh's Solaris interesting. The new ending (nothing that happens in the last fifteen minutes of the movie is in the book) serves to make a better climax than a direct adaptation of the book would. Your comparison of the perspectives of the two films seems to me to be able to work when comparing the book with Soderbergh's film as well.

    Now, I still haven't seen Tarkovsky's version, but I'm very interested in it. I really liked the book, and I know for a fact that Lem made it clear on a number of occassions that he hated it.

    Kirk

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    posted 12-08-2002 08:45 AM PT (US)     

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    Star Trek: The Motion Picture

    I watched this, 23 years to the day that it came out (and yeah, I was in the theater for the first showing).

    Even though the movie had its faults, the whole experience was a joy to behold. It was an "event." We fans hadn't seen our heroes for 10 years, and here they were on the big screen.

    Watching it again today, some of those feelings are still there. The sort of rush of anticipating adrenaline when the words "Star Trek" come up on the screen (the cheers were the same as in the future with Star Wars); the first time you saw the Klingons fight V'Ger; the first time you saw Kirk in the door of the shuttlecraft. They all evoke memories that stand the test of time.

    Granted, it's not the best Trek movie, but it was the first. And that is what makes it special.

    Kevin

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    posted 12-08-2002 11:44 AM PT (US)     

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    From Castle Rock comes GHOST SHIP, much in the same vein as its predecessors HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL and 13 GHOSTS. All three movies share good art direction, plus modernistic effects engineered for maximum gross-out factor (GHOST SHIP has an absolute hoot of an opening), but the material here is the weakest so far. And yet, despite everything (eg the obligatory MTV rock-horror video interlude - so awful it's almost interesting) this latest movie still manages to walk the line between teen jokiness and serious scariness with dignity and conviction. Might not be enough for most people though.

    John Frizzell's score is quite solid, but it sounds an awful lot like other scores not written by John Frizzell.

    GHOST SHIP (USA 2002)

    Directed by Steve Beck
    Screenplay by Mark Hanlon and John Pogue
    Photography by Gale Tattersall
    Music by John Frizzell

    Main Cast: Julianna Margulies, Gabriel Byrne, Ron Eldard, Isaiah Washington, Karl Urban

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    posted 12-08-2002 12:49 PM PT (US)     

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    LOS LUNES AL SOL (Spain 2002)

    Directed by Fernando León de Aranoa
    Screenplay by Fernando León de Aranoa and Ignacio del Moral
    Photography by Alfredo Mayo
    Music by Lucio Godoy

    Main Cast: Javier Bardem, Luis Tosar, Nieve de Medina, José Ángel Egido, Celso Bugallo, Enrique Villén

    Unemployed shipyard workers bemoan their fate.

    This critically-acclaimed award winner is on its way to the Oscars via the Sundance festival, so you'll get to hear of it. I must say, I didn't see what all the fuss is about. Bardem is excellent as usual, but the whole thing is far too tepid in its sense of social anger, as if the makers had suddenly been filled with outrage at the plight of the unemployed after a hard night's watching FULL MONTY (to which the direct references are plentiful).

    The breezy/ melancholy harmonica/ squeezebox score is quite attractive. It must be difficult to score films like this.

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    posted 12-08-2002 01:01 PM PT (US)     

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    Y'know, that's a terrible drug the old whiskey Ballantynes is. I'd imbibed rather too much before going to see a perfectly decent film, CHANGING LANES, so I don't know what it was about. But it seemed perfectly decent through my bloodshot eyes. I did get the impression that it was perfectly decent, even interesting and sort of good, but my bloodshot brain was wishing that the movie would get out of second gear, which it never did, according to my bloodshot brain. Maybe I should see this again sober, because it did seem quite interesting, and not about car chases at all, which is what my bloodshot brain was crying out for.

    David Arnold never seemed to get out of second gear either, but that's maybe just the drink talking.

    CHANGING LANES (USA 2002)

    Directed by Roger Michell
    Screenplay by Chap Taylor and Michael Tolkin
    Photography by Salvatore Totino
    Music by David Arnold

    Main Cast: Ben Affleck, Samuel L. Jackson, Toni Collette, Sydney Pollack, William Hurt

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    posted 12-08-2002 01:20 PM PT (US)     

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    [Spoilers ahead: Changing Lanes]

    Graham, I don't think David Arnold even made it into second gear with Changing Lanes.

    I bought the movie to see Sam Jackson smash that computer. He doesn't seem to have much luck with computers, first in Jurassic Park, and now nearly ten years later in Changing Lanes he's still having problems with "hacker crap."

    The best star in the film was the Mercedes CLK, which sadly died a loud death.

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    posted 12-08-2002 02:11 PM PT (US)     

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    James--Yes, I had heard that Lem hated the Tarkovsky version of his book too. It's an odd book to film and a lot of Lem's other stuff is supposed to be more suitable for film and yet it's Solaris that has 2 versions now.

    The Tarkovsky got more of the philosophy in just by nature of the talk on board ship. Also, the set design of the film included a lot of mirrors and mirrored images that helped to get across the ideas of "Observer-created reality" and such. Just the act of looking into a mirror means to examine and/or question your identity and the Tarkovsky version is more rooted in this.

    The Soderbergh version seems more interested in the story than the implications and in using the basics of the story to get to his leap of faith climax. And while it is true that Lem's novel pre-dates Star Trek, I was talking about Tarkovsky's film. Of course, it's unlikely that Star Trek ever played in Russia so that in 1971 Tarkovsky's Solaris was probably the biggest Sci-fi concept to hit Russia in years. Still, it was old hat in the US.

    Tarkovsky supposedly made Solaris as a reaction to 2001 and one scene, the drive to town through all these tunnels and overpasses, seems like a parody of Bowman's psychedelic trip through the stargate. Also, there is a discussion about a naked child that could refer to the 2001 Star Child except that I think it's in Lem's novel.

    Oddly enough, for a country that was big into space travel, Solaris seems an odd choice for a media event since the story seems to be anti-space travel in that encountering the Other in space makes a mess out of everyone. I mean this is hardly a heroic space saga with its screwed up scientists and trashed-out space station. The message of the Tarkovsky seems to be better to stay at home on the farm. So much for Russian hopes in space.

    The Soderbergh version isn't as interested in ecology and home, although the official Solaris web site mentions that the reason it is raining on Earth in all the scenes that take place there is that the environmental conditions in the future have eroded (though not as much as portrayed in, say, AI).

    Even if the Americans in the US Solaris aren't sure of what they are dealing with, they still deal with it in "American" ways. Dr. Gordon is trying to figure out a way to dispose of the visitors. Kelvin is loving the visitors and using their presence as a catylist for personal growth. This is a more active approach than the one in the Russian film (which might help explain why we still have a space program and they don't).

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    posted 12-08-2002 11:25 PM PT (US)     

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    Jonathan, that's what I really meant about David Arnold's score for CHANGING LANES, but I was being charitable.

    AFTERGLOW (USA 1997)

    Directed by Alan Rudolph
    Screenplay by Alan Rudolph
    Photography by Toyomichi Kurita
    Music by Mark Isham

    Main Cast: Nick Nolte, Julie Christie, Lara Flynn Boyle, Jonny Lee Miller

    Serious upheaval is caused by the philandering of two frustrated married couples.

    I liked this very much. In a way it put me in mind of AMERICAN BEAUTY, but AFTERGLOW, as befits its title, is a much slower burner. Curiously though, it doesn't seem that brilliant while it's actually on, but by the end it's almost completely satisfying, with enough material to keep you thinking for days. Honest, amusing, tough, but ultimately compassionate towards its excellently drawn characters, I'd give high marks to all the AFTERGLOW crew except Nick Nolte's hairdresser.

    Ah, but would I give top marks to Mark Isham? Well, I've always found him underwhelming, and his score here (performed by "The Afterglow Ensemble") pales beside the excellent use of songs - "Et Maintenant" by Gilbert Becaud (I think), and especially Tom Waits' croaking of the L. Bernstein/ S. Sondheim "Somewhere", which, played over the emotionally charged finale, is devastating.

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    posted 12-14-2002 08:37 AM PT (US)     

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    EVA (France/ Italy 1962)

    Directed by Joseph Losey
    Screenplay by Hugo Butler and Evan Jones, from the novel by James Hadley Chase
    Photography by Gianni di Venanzo
    Music by Michel Legrand

    Main Cast: Stanley Baker, Jeanne Moreau, Virna Lisi, James Villiers

    Wearisome Welsh windbag meets tobacco-faced French strumpet in Italy.

    There's also a toffee-nosed English twat in there, so it's all very European, and the characters pick up masks a lot, and there are a large quantity of shots where people are seen in mirrors. I think it's about humiliation and self-deception in Babylon.

    Unavoidably interesting ideas, and evocatively photographed, but also a bit of a stodgy and annoying wallow.

    Early score by Michel Legrand consists of loud jazz, choppily edited. Quite distracting, it doesn't smooth over the film's rough edges at all, maybe intentionally.

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    posted 12-14-2002 08:46 AM PT (US)     

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    THE MAN FROM THE ALAMO (USA 1953)

    Directed by Budd Boetticher
    Screenplay by Steve Fisher and D.D. Beauchamp
    Photography by Russell Metty
    Music by Frank Skinner

    Main Cast: Glenn Ford, Victor Jory, Julia Adams, Hugh O'Brien

    A man is mistakenly thought to have cowardly deserted the Alamo.

    For the first twenty minutes or so, this looked quite promising. But it soon settles down into what I feared it might be - just another blandly colourful 50s western.

    Routine Frank Skiner score.

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    posted 12-14-2002 08:52 AM PT (US)     

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    Father Goose (1964) Cary Grant, Leslie Caron, Trevor Howard

    What an amusing little film. Boozer Walter Eckland (Cary Grant) is isolated during WWII and eventually ends up caring for a woman and group of school girls. I guess you could call it a "romantic comedy," but I emphasize comedy here.

    Wow, at 60, Cary Grant still had it. His great subtle, and not so subtle, physical humor is all around. I've seen three Cary Grant films now and with every additional one I see, the more I enjoy watching this guy act. Sufficient score by Cy Coleman, but it was poorly recorded and often sounded like it came from horribly aged master tapes. They even looped Walter Eckland whistling a few notes of the theme(s) from the film into the picture.

    The "Cary Grant DVD Collection" is now on my wishlist. I figure with five Cary Grant movies for $40, including this one, I can't go wrong. Or I could buy two FSM CDs.

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    posted 12-16-2002 12:04 PM PT (US)     

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    "How old Cary Grant?" - "Old Cary Grant fine. How you?"

    NP: Farewell to Lorien

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    posted 12-16-2002 12:22 PM PT (US)     

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    Every woman I've talked with (with only one exception) who went to see Solaris, loved George Clooney's ass and hated the movie.

    Caught the 3 hr 1958 televison version of Quatermass and the Pit with Andre Morell and Cec Linder. Even though it was an expensive program for the BBC it suffered from not having enough budget to do the special effects of the climax better. The third act was a lot more episodic and harder to follow than in the 1967 Hammer film version, but it's still pretty powerful. Having the extra time to tell the story added some neater details as well. There are trade offs: the Wild Hunt videotape sequence comes off better here than it did in the later film though the fireball demon comes off much better in the later film than here. Still, the real star of this is Nigel Kneale's inventive script which links modern day problems with ancient, mythic inheritances. The scoring by Trevor Duncan was solid and this version had BBC Radio Workshop electronic scoring effects as well. Tristram Cary did both effectively for the later film version, but the music and electronics for the earlier version were just as good.

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    posted 12-16-2002 08:58 PM PT (US)     

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    Just caught INSPIRATION a 1930 film directed by Clarence Brown.

    I didn't like Greta Garbo the first few times I saw her on screen--too skinny, her accent too foreign. But critics often referred to her as a Goddess and to be looked upon with favor by Garbo was to confront something bigger than human. Yeah, whatever.

    Still, the more I see her films, the more she grows on me. She's still not my ideal of a sex symbol, but she's able to communicate both romantic longing and romantic joy and so you root for her to be happy.

    Spoilers:

    INSPIRATION reflects a Victorian/Prohibition-era morality that does nothing but foul up the basic romance. Like the Bette Davis film DANGEROUS, in the end, the woman sacrifices her love to allow her man to live a more socially-accepted life and to make amends for mistakes of the past.

    It's hard to imagine someone doing that today because we know being so noble just ends up ruining everyone's lives. But in 1930, it's still taken somewhat seriously that without living by certain moral standards everyone would be miserable anyway. That viewpoint is 'morality as essential to love' while today's viewpoint has become 'love is morality'.

    Still, I can understand the basic trouble--what if you discovered the person you loved had been a prostitute, could you trust that she or he could have proper feelings for you enough to make your romance work or that you could face your friends if they found out.

    The guy has problems with this but when he finally comes to terms with them, the girl still doesn't think he could live a happy life with her so she sacrifices their love and happiness to this greater possibility. I don't know how the guy's going to be happy without her even if he can live and work without being ridiculed, but she doesn't see it that way and she goes out the door.

    Foolish humans, even when they have a good thing, they don't know enough to keep hold of it, and instead they lose it through screw-ups.

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    posted 12-17-2002 09:12 PM PT (US)     

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    I rented UNFAITHFUL staring Richard Gere and Diane Lane. She meets a cute younger
    guy and engages in a very intense affair. She’s torn between her love for her family
    (hubby Gere and son) and her lust for the younger guy. What keeps this from becoming
    a cliché (seen this plot before) is Lane’s mesmerizing performance. And Gere also moves
    beyond his past cocky, rather laid back performances. She deserves an Oscar nomination
    for showing us a woman consumed with lust, love and immense guilt. This movie really
    explores the enormous tragedy of two people who are at their core essentially good and
    thus suffer so greatly for their actions. Graphic sex. I’m surprised it got by with an R
    rating.

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    posted 12-18-2002 03:39 PM PT (US)     

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    Hmmm. No sooner do I say that the moral values of INSPIRATION are obsolete when Joan comes along to show me a new movie where people suffer over "the right thing" as they did in the past.

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    posted 12-19-2002 01:56 AM PT (US)     

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    Wow Lou, it is an interesting juxtaposition of these two movies. Still a moral center 70 years later. (But rare.)

    (Like you, Garbo grew for me as I watched more of her films. Strange personal life.)

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    posted 12-19-2002 08:00 AM PT (US)     

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    I'd really love to see that old QUATERMASS AND THE PIT show that Lou mentions. I remember seeing a repeat of the BBC's 1984, made in the mid-50s, and it was quite chilling. Peter Cushing was simply marvelous as Winston Smith. However, for me, there's one glaring problem with all those old British TV shows - I think I'm right in saying that most of them were shot on tape, and that kills everything stone dead. And not just visually. That hollow studio sound is also a big minus.

    I'm always surprised when I read about "another lavish BBC production." Because of the video aesthetic, all their costume dramas come over about as dramatically potent as a visit to Madame Tussaud's.

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    posted 12-21-2002 10:27 AM PT (US)     

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    MIDWAY (USA 1976)

    Directed by Jack Smight
    Screenplay by Donald S. Sandford
    Photography by Harry Stradling Jr.
    Music by John Williams

    Main Cast: Charlton Heston, Henry Fonda, Robert Mitchum, Glenn Ford, Edward Albert, James Coburn, Hal Holbrook, Toshiro Mifune, James Shigeta, Robert Wagner, Robert Webber

    The battle of Midway.

    Not so great. Big stars dressed like Action Man look silly when all jostling for space in the same shot, especially when they have nothing to do. And Mifune looks like he's impersonating Christopher Lee as Fu Manchu (eyes darting inscrutibly from side to side, lower jaw going from side to side too as if chewing toffees). And James Shigeta looks like he's impersonating Patrick McGoohan as THE PRISONER (and why has he got a piece of sellotape stretched across his top lip?)

    Potentially interesting ideas of luck and chance are squandered - the script goes mostly for the mechanics of the events - but really puts its foot in it with an absolutely pathetic subplot about Heston's doubts regarding his son's girlfriend (she's Japanese). That was really shoe-horned in.

    Star power fails here, and the spectacle ain't that good either. Spliced together real footage, model shots, and clips from TORA TORA TORA. Where's John Winfrey to tell us that those Airfix battleships didn't actually come into existence until August 26, 1945?

    I always liked Rick Wentworth's interpretation of the score on the Varese re-recording. But after seeing the film I noticed it's "not the same". Must I now dislike the Wentworth? Oh dilemma. Curious choice for a re-recording anyway - brief and bitty.

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    posted 12-21-2002 10:46 AM PT (US)     

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    Graham--Q and the Pit should be out on VHS & DVD in England. MIDWAY has problems as a drama, but it was competent in one regard, it kept the events of this big naval battle clear in your mind. I was never lost as to where things were and what the various ships and groups were trying to do. You know I'm no fan of re-records, the Varese MIDWAY is no exception. When I heard that great cue of the planes searching (I think it's called Strawberry 5 or something like that) and went to play it back on the CD, Ugh: Varese shouldn't have bothered to even do this one.

    Caught a few films since last post.

    FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN--A documentary about the army infantry division made up of skiers and mountain climbers. They trained from 1940-44 and were sent into Italy to take a mountain position away from the Germans. Then after the war, many of its members started the ski industry in Aspen and Vail. Not great cinema but an interesting and informative documentary.

    FELLINI-SATRYICON---I'd seen this before but wanted to give it another shot. It's still as perplexing to me as it was before--just what is going on here? Obviously, it's a triumph of set design, if nothing else. But it's like an modern art version of an ancient myth what with its people in loincloths and it's electronic sound effects.

    For certain, it's not a very pretty view of mankind, mostly lust and gluttony and murderous violence. Unless, it's meant to be a celebration of Man's earthy side, an attack on post-Roman morality. But I doubt that somehow. It's a hard film to get "into". It is more fascinating than emotionally engaging.

    The whole time I kept thinking that this was as close as Fellini would get to Pasolini who is the king of taking bawdy myth and putting it on screen in a repulsive way.

    With Fellini, we share his perspective, a fascination with the spectacle of the past, that we still can't penetrate because it is the past, a fragmented myth. At certain moments the narrative brings you in by the sheer power of narrative, but just as soon as you feel you're watching a regular movie, the odd visual or someone staring into a camera throws you out again.

    I also thought a good part of it was allegorical. Perhaps some things are in the original text, but when the poet accuses another of being rich off of stealing other's verses, all I can think of was which film director did Fellini have in mind with this hidden jab.

    In any case, I have to assume the connections between the mythic vision of the past and our own culture are deliberate since another Fellini film, ROMA, makes that connection clearly and without any doubt.

    So when the poet goes to a museum and decries that the Romans cannot create art like the Greeks and have become decadent, Fellini is talking about us in modern times. But why he'd want to resurrect such an ugly view of things? I mean, isn't that decadence? Or maybe SATYRICON is who we really are, grieving widows who one fu-ck later are willing to use the corpse of their spouse in the most practical of ways. But what are we to make of it? Like the Hemingway short story about the man who used his frozen wife's corpse to hang a lantern from, this is both horrible and human. How are we to respond, in shock and moral indignation, or with laughter at people who think things should be otherwise. Indeed the people telling the story in SATYRICON do indeed laugh at the end of it! Is this filth or truth?

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    posted 12-22-2002 01:22 AM PT (US)     

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    Just caught TWO DAUGHTERS, a 1961 film by Satyajit Ray. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

    It's a film in two parts, each a seperate story by R. Tagore, who won a Nobel prize for literature.

    Amazingly good humanist stuff, very real, very on the money. And funny too although that's just icing on a film with this much heart and understanding of things.

    The first part involves a city boy who has come to a country village to be their postmaster. There is some very funny stuff as he goes to take a bath and is deterred by seeing a shed snake skin or when he tries to read a book when the local loco comes past the post office. But the real meat of the story involves the relationship between the post master and the 10 year old girl who does his chores. She makes it easy for him to live in these "dangerous" surroundings and he in turn treats her like a sister and better than she ever has been treated before. I can't give away the payoff moment--it's just too good.

    The second part was also solid though it didn't have quite the same impact as the first. It deals with very typical issues in Indian society as a man whose mother wants him to marry rejects the woman she has arranged for him. He wants a poorer, wilder, spunkier, yet uneducated girl. She marries him, but only because her family really can't refuse his offer. She herself doesn't want to be married and that's where the conflict comes in. I can't give away the ending of this one either.

    What astounded me, besides the understanding of human nature in these tales, was how well rendered to film they were. Ray's eye for things is just perfect. Shot mostly out in nature with the utmost realism, you just get a sense of the entire landscape where these stories are set and then when the dramas kick in, his camera is always in the right place.

    One moment in the first part when the post master comes down with malaria at night. He's lying in the bed in the foreground and the girl comes into the room in the background. A light from the other room strikes her across the face and we see her expression of horror as she looks at the post master in the bed. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.

    And this wonderful film is available quite inexpensively from Amazon.com and the other usual suspects.

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    posted 12-23-2002 03:02 AM PT (US)     

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    I guess I'm the guy keeping this thread alive this month.

    Mike Clark in the USA TODAY called SOLARIS one of the 10 worst films of the year. I know you can call it a slow, dreary film, but it doesn't rate that kind of slam.

    Caught CELINE. This is a 1992 French film by director Jean-Claude Brisseau. I've seen 2 other Brisseau films, DE BRUIT ET DE FEURER and NOCE BLANCHES. It's difficult to describe these. They are off-kilter worlds that dip into moments of fantasy. Like those films, CELINE is slow and odd. The two female leads are sexy, though that's not really what it's about.

    A woman, Celine, tries to kill herself after the death of her famous father and is saved by a nurse, Genevieve. Celine puts Genevieve up at her estate. G teaches C yoga and meditation. Then C spends entire days sitting and then strange things begin to happen. A friend stops by to take them to the movies, C feels she shouldn't go and keeps G from going too. Later C & G find that the friend died in an accident driving to the movie. But that's just the start. G starts to see weird stuff: C levitating off the floor a la THE EXORCIST in some trance and C appearing inside the house and outside in the lawn at the same time. C starts healing all the long term patients that G was treating. Lastly, things come full circle when C's apparition saves G's life.

    And, what's great is that the film ends and C still has all her powers, the conflict isn't solved by her dying or losing the powers at the end like Hollywood would do it along the lines of PHENOMENON or POWDER. Of course, C joins a Chinese monastery at the end, which keeps her out of everyone's hair and returns things to a normal world I suppose.

    I haven't seen similar-themed films like RESURRECTION but I assume the basic metaphor working here is that what seems a completely despairing situation can turn in a miraculous way for the positive. I mean, you can't take it on the literal level that a few yoga lessons are going to instantly turn you into a healer/saint/magician of some kind. Even CELINE itself makes that point when G tries to pratice her yoga harder in order to catch up to the progress C is having and she simply can't get to the same place. Just the same, the miraculous enters her life any way.

    CELINE was the first "upbeat" Brisseau I've seen. DE BRUIT ET DE FUREUR dealt with teen street gangs and NOCE BLANCHES with a May-December teacher-student romance. Both those films had 'DOOM' stamped in large letters on them from the first frame. But CELINE, even though it is a more positive vision, shares the same atmosphere that these other films do: languid, fantastic, prone to danger, a world where its people find sanctuary in the strangest ways and places.

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    posted 12-24-2002 09:17 PM PT (US)     

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    Keep keeping this thread alive, Lou! I like reading your comments, but it does give me pause for thought that while you're watching Satyajit Ray films, I'm watching MIDWAY and COUNT YORGA VAMPIRE.

    MIDWAY held me too as to the logistics of the battles, but dramatically it was a snooze. A good documentary would have done the trick, I think. As regards the Wentworth re-recording of the score, well, I know what you mean. I too heard negative comments about that Strawbwrry track, but as I heard the Varese before hearing it in the film... you know, the old story.

    COUNT YORGA VAMPIRE (USA 1970)

    Directed by Bob Kelljan
    Screenplay by Bob Kelljan
    Photography by Arch Archambault
    Music by William Marx

    Main Cast: Robert Quarry, Roger Perry, Michael Murphy, Michael Macready, Donna Anders, Judith Long

    In present-day Los Angeles, a vampire puts women under his spell by hypnosis.

    In the version I saw, this was actually called THE LOVES OF COUNT IORGA, VAMPIRE. The film did tepidly exploit that aspect with ironic humour, but ended up being cheap-looking ('cos it was cheap) unatmospheric, and stultifyingly lethargic. Where was the raw energy of the semi-professional NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD? Different crew.

    Robert Quarry as Yorga has the snooty distance, but only Christopher Lee can get away with looking so pompous (and even he had problems in DRAC A.D. 1972, surrounded by all those people in modern dress. Quarry as the Halloween Drac does look a bit silly too in his red-lined cape, considering the environment).

    The music has attractive low-budget moments - solo instruments, small groupings - but it's still largely corny and Halloween- spooky in its keyboard improvisations and drum rat-tat-tats.

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    posted 12-25-2002 02:03 PM PT (US)     

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    Something I forgot to mention about YORGA - the ending is very weak. This is a big problem in many vampire movies. The ideas for killing them off are so poor. Look at the Christopher Lee Dracula films. In DRACULA HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE they actually trip him up (!) and he falls onto that big crucifix. In SATANIC RITES OF DRACULA he walks into a hawthorn bush and can't get out (!). Well, YORGA is no exception. Throughout the film, the Count teases the humans about how insignificant they are compared to the wisdom and power he has gathered over centuries of existence, and at the end he walks onto a sharpened chair leg.

    By the way, I'll be out of bounds for about the next month. If anyone wants to start a What Have You Seen In January thread, feel free. Meantime, Happy New Year to you all!

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    posted 12-26-2002 01:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Graham, I agree with you about the weak endings to a lot of the Hammer Dracula films. I mean this guy is supposed to be the Prince of Darkness, the most evil man on Earth and how does he get killed?...VERY EASILY!!
    How many Evil monsters do you know of that get killed by the Protagonist simply having to?:-

    1}Open a set of curtains
    2]Hold a couple of Candlesticks in your face
    3]Cast a windmill's shadow over you
    4]Throw a bit of water over you

    In "Taste the Blood of......." Dracula even manages to KILL HIMSELF by climbing up the Gallery of a church, standing in front of a stained glassed window and developing Vertigo at the wrong time!

    In "Dracula A.D. 1972" not only does Dracula manage to impale himself on the broken wheel of a Stagecoach (clumsy or what?] but at the end once again he manages to clumsily lose his balance again (after having water thrown on him) and fall into a ditch full of sharp pieces of wood. I ask you now?

    These weak and often ridiculous demises of Dracula (and Count Yorga)were recently satirised quite nicely by Steve Coogan in the Lesbian Vampire episode of "Dr. Terrible's House of Horrible". In it, the antagonist vampire is disposed of by being impaled with the legs of an "occasional chair" and just to make sure Coogan gently pops a Bulb of Garlic into the screaming vampire's wide-open mouth!!

    Gae

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    posted 12-26-2002 03:02 PM PT (US)     

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    Since there's no way I can match Lou and Graham in the ways of cinematic review, all I will say is I watched Minority Report tonight. I consider it a very good movie, and give it 4/5.

    Kevin

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    posted 12-26-2002 09:46 PM PT (US)     

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    Kevin - yes, I liked MINORITY REPORT too. I'd probably also go for a 4 out of 5.

    Gae - it is such a shame about those rubbishy endings in the Hammer Dracs. Only (HORROR OF) DRACULA really works, but, as you say, it's only someone tearing a set of curtains down then making a cross with two candlesticks. But it works up a good old frenzy in the actual film, because it's so tightly directed and performed. Apparently that was Peter Cushing's idea to have Van Helsing run along the table and pull the curtains down. He wanted an almost Errol Flynn-like touch of heroic action for that scene.

    DRACULA PRINCE OF DARKNESS was a solid movie, and the ending is attractively shot, but it's too easy again. Mind you, the "running water" idea reached truly pathetic extremes in DRAC A.D. 1972, when Johnny Alucard (I think) was pushed into a bath and someone turns the shower on. Poor ending for Chris Lee too in that modern-day disaster, as you mention.

    I think we've covered most of the Hammer Dracs except perhaps SCARS OF. Oh right, that's when a lightning bolt hits him at the crucial moment. Deary me. Oh, and how does he die in TASTE THE BLOOD OF? I can't remember, but it'll come to me.

    I pulled out an old video last night - THE OUTER LIMITS (original series): THE SIXTH SENSE. That's the one with David McCallum who evolves genetically by millions of years due to Edward Mulhare's experiments. Egg-headed McCallum is one of the most enduring images from the classic series, and this episode had its frissons, but it also had me laughing out loud at times. Apart from the the unintentional humour (the man in the monkey suit, the depiction of Welsh miners, McCallums increasingly expansive bald-caps) it was never quite convincing in its central idea. His disdain for human puniness doesn't seem the result of very evolved thinking (only when his bald-cap gets really stretched near the end does he become really benign) - or maybe it's just a bleak view of the future.

    Looks like this may indeed be my last post for about a month. Who's going to start the January thread? No fighting about it please.

    HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL!

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    posted 12-27-2002 10:54 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Graham Watt:
    I pulled out an old video last night - THE OUTER LIMITS (original series): THE SIXTH SENSE.

    Umm dude, it was "The Sixth Finger."

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    posted 12-27-2002 02:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Graham asked:-

    "Oh, and how does he die in TASTE THE BLOOD OF? I can't remember, but it'll come to me."

    Gae said previously:-

    "In "Taste the Blood of......." Dracula even manages to KILL HIMSELF by climbing up the Gallery of a church, standing in front of a stained glassed window and developing Vertigo at the wrong time!"

    Graham, I think I've only ever seen part of "Scars of Dracula" once on British T.V. For some reason, it doesn't seem to be played very often compared to the others mentioned above. Cant remember how good or bad it was!!

    Gae


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    posted 12-27-2002 04:44 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm laughing so hard it hurts. The whole point behind being a vampire is to be immortal and get girls and in the end they're 40X more vulnerable than mortals and clumsy idiots besides. What girl would be interested in that?

    As for the 6th Finger, for all the expanded power and consciousness the guy gets, he should know better than let the girl work the controls. Besides, if he's telekinetic, can't he operate the controls from inside the booth himself? So, instead of evolving into pure energy and becoming blissfully one with the universe, he winds back where he started from, crappy job and all.

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