I mean, you can't respect the opinion of someone who wrote about "the genius of STARSHIPTROOPERS"!

To me he is just angry because Lucas didn't envite him to write interesting stuffs inside THE PHANTON MENACE album booklet. I am sure he would tell us all about "the genius of EPISODE 1" all the way.

What can be worst than fanboys being taken seriously? When fanboys start to take themselves seriously...

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Originally posted by Hasta:
Ah, leave it up to the Brazilian, never letting people have "opinions".

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Ah, leave it to the Unitedstadian, never letting people have "opinions" about other people's "opinions"... specially about someone whose butt he like to kiss!

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Originally posted by Peter Criss:
Nice trailer.Sure will be a great movie, and I love to be just another fanboy in this one.

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Amazing, even when can't chnage his opinions just to play the antagonist role, Rojério Fereirra still finds a away to "provoke" me...

How cute!!

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Originally posted by SPQR:
The only reason I'll go see what is surely to be just another pedestrian piece of filmmaking, is the opportunity to see Christopher Lee on the big screen for a second time in the span of 6mths; otherwise, I couldn't give a rat's ass.

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I will admit that my only complaint so far with Star Wars is some of the names...Dooku. Come on....

But in the end its human nature to want complete control over something of your own creation. The Star Wars universe is his--and if I was in his shoes I would probably want to write and direct it as well. I am hopeful that Jonathan Hayles (is that right?) will help immensely this time around.

By the way...I know its a tad early, but appararently the release of the DVD has been bumped up to October 21st. Yes.....

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Originally posted by jeffy:
Now that you have seen the full trailer do you think the music will be good or bad, given the fact that there will be lots of CGI and pumped-up sound effects that will drown out the movie?

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Back to LuxLand:
I think the music will be great, because of all the CGI and pumped-up sound effects.

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Originally posted by JeffBond:
I'm just happy Andre still remembers my comments about Starship Troopers.

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Of course I do!
It was by far one of the most laughable things I've ever read inside one of those booklets. I hope they paid you a lot of money to make the fool of yourself!

As for having a personal fanboy, I am the one who should say this - mind you, not only the famous JeffBond always pop in whenever he find a chance to "mock" (without any success) my comments, but also the "Catman" and a few others I can't remember now.
I have my own private "I hate André Lux" fan club!

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I wouldn't dismiss the original Star Wars. Yes, it has plenty of bad lines and bad line readings but the overall effect still works quite well and it has character arcs that still easily defeat those in TPM. What I hate about TPM (which is a beautiful LOOKING movie) is its meandering storyline and hollow characters. And Lucas WAS a very good director--there's a fantastic documentary feeling to THX-1138, American Grafitti AND Star Wars that really sold their individual realities.

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Wrong again.
Lucas was NEVER a good director.
You only think STAR WARS was such a "genius" movie because you're very young when you saw it on theaters. EPISODE 1 is not very different, it's only you that become a grumpy and self-indulgent midle-aged...

André, how would Brazilians express 'midichlorian count' or 'These aren't the droids you're looking for'?

Anyway, the trailer looks like it is sure to have some wince-inducing bits. The "I hate it when ..." does not bode well. It's egregiously silly.

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Why not just go back and redub the first trilogy of movies with lines like "Oh, don't even go there!" and "I'm not a happy camper!"

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For crying out loud Jeff, don't give Lucas any ideas!

I have more of a problem with the over utilization of CG than the acting. Star Wars has never been noted for that anyway.

I'm not sure I bite on the pop-cultural quote bash either. Maybe Obi Wan really DOES hate it when he does that!

Now, if he had said, "I hate it when that happens" well, that would turn my stomach.

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Originally posted by JeffBond:
Actually Andre, I was sixteen when I saw Star Wars.

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Hummm.... so you don't even have the excuse of being just a silly young boy at that time!

How embarrassing...

Just saw STARSHIP TROOPERS on tv today again, Jeffy! Me and my 9 year old nephew had great laughs upon it.
What a genius movie indeed!!

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Originally posted by Beatty:
Is it possible that André Lux doesn't quite grasp how weak the "I hate it when he does that" line comes off because of the language barrier?

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There's no "language barrier" from my side I can assure you.
The "I hate it when he does that" is as silly as "I have a bad feeling about this" or "Oh Dear, Oh Dear!" or "Search your feelings and you know it's true!"...

Why I would complain about new silly lines when there are plenty of those on the originals?

When I want to see an "intelectual" movie I go for 2001, RAN, BRAZIL, ANNIE HALL or THE KILLING FIELDS.

STAR WARS is just silly nostalgic fun.
Sorry if some of you people just can't dig it...

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Originally posted by Beatty:
Remember the fake trailer that came out last year? Now that looks like a good movie.

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Just saw the fake trailer.
Funny, of course.
But you actually think that was good compared with the real thing?
Man, you definitly have no taste at all...

"Star Wars" 5 would be great if it WERE like "Starship Troopers." The track record of late would suggest it'll skew closer to "Showgirls."

First of all, what was said about Lucas's suffering inability to write adult material has hurt the films he has penned in many ways. TESB is everyone's favorite. Why? One major foundation is the writing...which was not done by Lucas. Lucas who gives us lines like, "I hate when he does that!" That's just bad writing, plain and simple, almost mocking the seriousness of the world you are trying to portray.

Next is the CGI. And yes, this does matter. That is what STARSHIP TROOPERS forte is-it's effects work which was incredible. Why you may ask? Because CGI only looks good when you mix it seemlessly with models-real models. Stan Winston proved this to us with JURASSIC PARK. When you hold on CGI for a long time in a live action movie, it looks bad. Case in point, The Scorpion King in THE MUMMY RETURNS, CGI which will live in infamy. Lucas and Andre apparently love CGI, but since I work in it every day at my job, I have learned how to "see" good CGI and bad. One obvious choice is the lighting. The lighting and coloration on CGI always has a washed out sort of look and the way shadows fall on CGI has not yet been aptly recreated. The other thing is the unnatural movement of CGI. You can place all the pinpoints on a real body and try and recreate the movement, but remember your tissue, bone stucture, your natural anatomy dictates this movement. Remember, CGI is just calculations made by humans, not by God or Prometheus. As such, a real model will always look better to me, because it's real. And it looks real. Now if you have an all CGI movie like MONSTER'S INC., fire away. This looks great because I'm not comparing movement and lighting and coloration between something that's real and not real. Case in point, the "Jar Jar travesty"!!!

Next is the casting of the recent STAR WARS films. Ewan McGregor is a fine actor, but not for sci-fi. He certainly has the look of Obi-Wan, but not the depth of Alec Guiness. They should have went with Kenneth Branagh who I heard was a choice way back when (perhaps Lucas feared his directing abilities).

Now ,as for Anakin, jeez, the kid in EPISODE I was one thing...it's hard to find a young child actor focused enough for this project.(He was after all the first child in the STAR WARS saga.) But as a teenager-mid twenties youth, it is critical you find the right actor for the part. I don't buy that this whiny kid grows up to become Darth Vader. You need someone like Brad Pitt in this role. Someone who shoots off the screen, who's anger seems justified. A brooding, tortured soul. I know I bring this movie up a lot, but Brad Pitt's portrayal of Tristan in LEGENDS OF THE FALL is who I believe would grow up to be Darth Vader. Lucas basically uses the medieval Tristan and Isolde archetype in EPISODE II...the young man so in love with the woman he cannot have, that he goes crazy. But she tames him because it is only through her love that he can be saved. That's the Catch-22 that turns such a man into a servant of evil...a.k.a. Darth Vader. He isn't inherently evil, just a suffering,angry body making bad decisions based on whispering in his ear by the right voice, the Emperor. Avoice telling him that he's entitled to have what he desires.

Throw in the fact that Anakin already blames Obi-Wan and the Jedi obsession with him to complete his training for the death of his mother on Tatooine before he could free her, and you've got one rocket ready to go off.(I don't know if this occurs in EPISODE II or not.) And one epic story to tell. That is what these movies are about: Anakin Skywalker, his fall from grace and his redemption. It is a dark tale. Luke and Leia are the only glints of light to save him, his own offspring.

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Originally posted by Lightborne:
Here is my take on it.

First of all, what was said about Lucas's suffering inability to write adult material has hurt the films he has penned in many ways. TESB is everyone's favorite. Why? One major foundation is the writing...which was not done by Lucas. Lucas who gives us lines like, "I hate when he does that!" That's just bad writing, plain and simple, almost mocking the seriousness of the world you are trying to portray.

Next is the CGI. And yes, this does matter. That is what STARSHIP TROOPERS forte is-it's effects work which was incredible. Why you may ask? Because CGI only looks good when you mix it seemlessly with models-real models. Stan Winston proved this to us with JURASSIC PARK. When you hold on CGI for a long time in a live action movie, it looks bad. Case in point, The Scorpion King in THE MUMMY RETURNS, CGI which will live in infamy. Lucas and Andre apparently love CGI, but since I work in it every day at my job, I have learned how to "see" good CGI and bad. One obvious choice is the lighting. The lighting and coloration on CGI always has a washed out sort of look and the way shadows fall on CGI has not yet been aptly recreated. The other thing is the unnatural movement of CGI. You can place all the pinpoints on a real body and try and recreate the movement, but remember your tissue, bone stucture, your natural anatomy dictates this movement. Remember, CGI is just calculations made by humans, not by God or Prometheus. As such, a real model will always look better to me, because it's real. And it looks real. Now if you have an all CGI movie like MONSTER'S INC., fire away. This looks great because I'm not comparing movement and lighting and coloration between something that's real and not real. Case in point, the "Jar Jar travesty"!!!

Next is the casting of the recent STAR WARS films. Ewan McGregor is a fine actor, but not for sci-fi. He certainly has the look of Obi-Wan, but not the depth of Alec Guiness. They should have went with Kenneth Branagh who I heard was a choice way back when (perhaps Lucas feared his directing abilities).

Now ,as for Anakin, jeez, the kid in EPISODE I was one thing...it's hard to find a young child actor focused enough for this project.(He was after all the first child in the STAR WARS saga.) But as a teenager-mid twenties youth, it is critical you find the right actor for the part. I don't buy that this whiny kid grows up to become Darth Vader. You need someone like Brad Pitt in this role. Someone who shoots off the screen, who's anger seems justified. A brooding, tortured soul. I know I bring this movie up a lot, but Brad Pitt's portrayal of Tristan in LEGENDS OF THE FALL is who I believe would grow up to be Darth Vader. Lucas basically uses the medieval Tristan and Isolde archetype in EPISODE II...the young man so in love with the woman he cannot have, that he goes crazy. But she tames him because it is only through her love that he can be saved. That's the Catch-22 that turns such a man into a servant of evil...a.k.a. Darth Vader. He isn't inherently evil, just a suffering,angry body making bad decisions based on whispering in his ear by the right voice, the Emperor. Avoice telling him that he's entitled to have what he desires.

Throw in the fact that Anakin already blames Obi-Wan and the Jedi obsession with him to complete his training for the death of his mother on Tatooine before he could free her, and you've got one rocket ready to go off.(I don't know if this occurs in EPISODE II or not.) And one epic story to tell. That is what these movies are about: Anakin Skywalker, his fall from grace and his redemption. It is a dark tale. Luke and Leia are the only glints of light to save him, his own offspring.

I just want Lucas to do justice to this story. Yes, he did create it, but it has become a tale of the world now. No joke. STAR WARS has no less relevance than THE HOBBIT, or THE ODYSSEY or HAMLET as far as effect on the culture. As far as occupying the canon of the greatest stories of all time. I just want him to treat it as such...instead of banalizing it down to the Britney Spears denominator our culture is accustomed to now.

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Originally posted by mlw:
"Star Wars" 5 would be great if it WERE like "Starship Troopers." The track record of late would suggest it'll skew closer to "Showgirls."

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But, then again, SHOWGIRLS is a damm fine movie.
It's perfectly understandable that so many unitedstadians hate it so much, since it hit the "american (sic) dream" right in the middle - something that the laughable STARSHIT TROOPERS tried to do but failed so miserable!

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Originally posted by Lightborne:
Here is my take on it.

First of all, what was said about Lucas's suffering inability to write adult material has hurt the films he has penned in many ways. TESB is everyone's favorite. Why? One major foundation is the writing...which was not done by Lucas. Lucas who gives us lines like, "I hate when he does that!" That's just bad writing, plain and simple, almost mocking the seriousness of the world you are trying to portray.

Next is the CGI. And yes, this does matter. That is what STARSHIP TROOPERS forte is-it's effects work which was incredible. Why you may ask? Because CGI only looks good when you mix it seemlessly with models-real models. Stan Winston proved this to us with JURASSIC PARK. When you hold on CGI for a long time in a live action movie, it looks bad. Case in point, The Scorpion King in THE MUMMY RETURNS, CGI which will live in infamy. Lucas and Andre apparently love CGI, but since I work in it every day at my job, I have learned how to "see" good CGI and bad. One obvious choice is the lighting. The lighting and coloration on CGI always has a washed out sort of look and the way shadows fall on CGI has not yet been aptly recreated. The other thing is the unnatural movement of CGI. You can place all the pinpoints on a real body and try and recreate the movement, but remember your tissue, bone stucture, your natural anatomy dictates this movement. Remember, CGI is just calculations made by humans, not by God or Prometheus. As such, a real model will always look better to me, because it's real. And it looks real. Now if you have an all CGI movie like MONSTER'S INC., fire away. This looks great because I'm not comparing movement and lighting and coloration between something that's real and not real. Case in point, the "Jar Jar travesty"!!!

Next is the casting of the recent STAR WARS films. Ewan McGregor is a fine actor, but not for sci-fi. He certainly has the look of Obi-Wan, but not the depth of Alec Guiness. They should have went with Kenneth Branagh who I heard was a choice way back when (perhaps Lucas feared his directing abilities).

Now ,as for Anakin, jeez, the kid in EPISODE I was one thing...it's hard to find a young child actor focused enough for this project.(He was after all the first child in the STAR WARS saga.) But as a teenager-mid twenties youth, it is critical you find the right actor for the part. I don't buy that this whiny kid grows up to become Darth Vader. You need someone like Brad Pitt in this role. Someone who shoots off the screen, who's anger seems justified. A brooding, tortured soul. I know I bring this movie up a lot, but Brad Pitt's portrayal of Tristan in LEGENDS OF THE FALL is who I believe would grow up to be Darth Vader. Lucas basically uses the medieval Tristan and Isolde archetype in EPISODE II...the young man so in love with the woman he cannot have, that he goes crazy. But she tames him because it is only through her love that he can be saved. That's the Catch-22 that turns such a man into a servant of evil...a.k.a. Darth Vader. He isn't inherently evil, just a suffering,angry body making bad decisions based on whispering in his ear by the right voice, the Emperor. Avoice telling him that he's entitled to have what he desires.

Throw in the fact that Anakin already blames Obi-Wan and the Jedi obsession with him to complete his training for the death of his mother on Tatooine before he could free her, and you've got one rocket ready to go off.(I don't know if this occurs in EPISODE II or not.) And one epic story to tell. That is what these movies are about: Anakin Skywalker, his fall from grace and his redemption. It is a dark tale. Luke and Leia are the only glints of light to save him, his own offspring.

I just want Lucas to do justice to this story. Yes, he did create it, but it has become a tale of the world now. No joke. STAR WARS has no less relevance than THE HOBBIT, or THE ODYSSEY or HAMLET as far as effect on the culture. As far as occupying the canon of the greatest stories of all time. I just want him to treat it as such...instead of banalizing it down to the Britney Spears denominator our culture is accustomed to now.

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Lets only hope the next movie Lightborne will analyse so deeply and with such seriousness is other important movies such as CONGO or maybe THE MUMMY RETURNS or even LARA CROFT: TOMB RAIDER.

These movie executives must learn!

1977:
Han - Wonderful girl. Either I'm going to kill her or I'm beginning to like her.

1999:
Jar Jar - Oooh! Icky-icky poo!

THIS is progess?

I am perfect aware of the impact of this movie since I was right in the midle of it - just like all the wanting child of that time which found on Luke Skywalker's adventures the perfect escape from their "real" problems - it's no surprise that Darth Vader is in fact Luke's dady, just to quote some cheap psychology...

Now I am older and still like the movies since they helped me in lots of ways.

But I just don't take them seriously as I did when I was 12 years old.

Now I am perfectly aware that the only REAL impact of STAR WARS in the known universe was the incredible increase of profits of Toys Stores and to the Movie Theaters' Box-Offices which it caused...

Just that. Not to mention George Lucas' bank account...

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Originally posted by mlw:
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Nice try, Ware...