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Topic: What Have You Seen In MARCH?

Graham Watt

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As I was saying, oh what a terrible month for movies. It's already the last day of the previous month and I haven't seen anything next month at all yet.
posted 02-28-2002 01:44 PM PT (US) 
Kevin
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Me neither. Doesn't that just suck?
Kevin
posted 02-28-2002 03:51 PM PT (US) 
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A Knights Tale: oh woe!
I can't bring myself to give this film anymore space than I already have!
The only thumbs up I can give (and the only reason it was bearable) is for Carter Burwell's score!
Thinking of seeing it?....DON'T!
posted 02-28-2002 04:25 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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March is like 30 minutes old right now--I haven't seen anything. But I will comment on Barbary Coast which Graham saw in February.I love Hawks more than any other American director. And while there are neat things in BC, it's not one of Hawks' better films.
It does have a great cast and neat performances. It was one of the first films Walter Brennan made (he's the surly guy in the rowboat who price gouges the passengers) and he was winning Oscars by next year (for another Hawks film Come and Get It). David Niven shows up near the beginning as a drunk walking up on the porch of a saloon.
The relationship between Robinson and Hopkins is amazing--the one scene where he wants to be loved and she tells him to take what he's getting is strong. But, the bit with the lynch mob catching up to Donlevy on the street like that is the film's one indisputable great moment. I also like the scenes where the newspaper office gets destroyed and where McCrea and Hopkins hide under the dock, but there is something glum about the rest. McCrea is such a goofy character that he's hard to take seriously and Hopkins just whines and suffers instead of taking charge. The great moments are too few and too far between. Any interest Hawks had in it originally died over dealing with both Hopkins and Sam Goldwyn and he doesn't consider it one of his favorites either.
I think he's right--Hawks has done so much better elsewhere and yet there are critics who really admire this film, I think Graham Greene among them.
posted 02-28-2002 09:50 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Been on a Star Trek jag. Watched 3 episodes: The Naked Time, Mirror, Mirror, and All Our Yesterdays.Interestingly all 3 episodes seem to deal with the same theme: civilization and its necessary repression of the Id. Actually, many episodes in the series deal with this idea/conflict, that proper behavior takes a struggle to maintain, that it demands a sacrifice, but that things fall into anarchy without it.
At another level, old Trek episodes are highly enjoyable. Everything is so overdone: the colors, the action, the acting. You can enjoy them on many levels, camp included. And yet they are still solid drama, even thought-provoking. I can see why they generated a huge cult.
One thing that I remembered that I really like about Trek is the problem-solving. They get into a conflict and they go to a table to identify the problem, analyze it, and try to think and plan their way to a solution. This activity is basic to many episodes and it's a large part of their appeal for me.
Call me Trekkie, but I spent a good afternoon with these. Something I needed after all that Cinema is dead talk I was doing over at another topic.
posted 03-02-2002 10:08 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Just saw Preminger's courtroom drama Anatomy of A Murder for my 2nd time (saw it first in the early 80s and got much more out of it this time). The sexual politics around the case in the film seem dated and some of the courtroom aspects seem played up dramatically for the movie, but the film's point--that reality is difficult if not completely impossible to pin down, that events can be interpreted in vastly different ways, and that, despite this, some conclusion must still be reached in a court case is still pretty fascinating and relevant. The 160 minutes just whizzed by despite most of it taking place in just a couple sets and the film being mostly talk.[Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 03-04-2002]
posted 03-04-2002 12:26 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Lou, about BARBARY COAST, it's my feeling that the idea of the girl's rejection of Ed G. comes over tougher on paper than it did on screen. Robinson seemed to really walk through the part, and I wasn't convinced by his crocodile tears. Even at the end when he's led off by the vigilantes, allowing Hopkins to sail away to a happy ending with Joel McCrea, he kind of waves her off with an "Aw shucks, get going, see if I care!"posted 03-05-2002 01:27 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Saw bakey-faced Thora Birch in THE HOLE. She got stuck in there with some of her schoolmates. Teen terror, but a cut above most. After a routine first part it gets interesting until you never quite know where you stand. Darkly perverse underbelly to it all, maybe because it's British. Clint Mansell score sounds minimalist (Nyman, SUSPIRIA even) with techno leanings.THE HOLE (GB 2001)
Directed by Nick Hamm
Screenplay by Ben Court and Caroline Ip, from the novel by Guy Burt
Photography by Denis Crossan
Music by Clint MansellMain Cast: Thora Birch, Keira Knightley, Desmond Harrington, Laurence Fox
posted 03-05-2002 01:34 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Revisited BLADE RUNNER. Nowhere near as good as I first thought. It's still dazzling visually, and intermittently hypnotic, but whereas before I imagined really profound concepts below the surface glitter, this time it was all show. No doubting the effectiveness of the Vangelis score, even if you don't like him.BLADE RUNNER (USA 1982)
Directed by Ridley Scott
Screenplay by Hampton Fancher and David Peoples, from the novel by Philip K. Dick
Photography by Jordan Cronenweth
Music by VangelisMain Cast: Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer, Sean Young, Edward James Olmos, M. Emmet Walsh, Daryl Hannah
posted 03-05-2002 01:41 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Saw THE SHIPPING NEWS. Kevin Spacey (and everyone else in the cast) has to come to terms with the past and admit the truth in order to create a future in icy Terranova. Intelligently handled metaphysical metaphorical drama (hee hee), impeccably acted in interesting settings. One of the most satisfying new films I've seen in a while. Celtic music by Chris Young unavoidably has BRAVEHEARTisms, but actually leans more towards Burwell's ROB ROY. Comparisons aside, it's still good Chris Young.THE SHIPPING NEWS (USA 2001)
Directed by Lasse Hallstrom with two dots above the O
Screenplay by Robert Nelson Jacobs, from the novel by E. Annie Proulx
Photography by Oliver Stapleton
Music by Christopher YoungMain Cast: Kevin Spacey, Julianne Moore, Judi Dench, Pete Postlethwaite, Scott Glenn, Cate Blanchett
posted 03-05-2002 01:50 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Robinson's final send-off in Barbary Coast just reflects that character's stoicism in the face of loss and upcoming death. Robinson may be walking through the part, indeed all the actors don't seem to be putting enough behind the script to make it plausible. Robinson's character is a power-mad psychotic, wanting to force what he wants to come about, and, like other Hawks characters from the 30s like Edward Arnold in Come and Get It, James Cagney in The Crowd Roars, Paul Muni in Scarface, and Robinson again in Tiger Shark, that attempt at control is a hubris doomed to failure. He's a villian because of the force he uses, but underneath he just wants love like most people. He's to be pitied and yet he retains a neat sort of dandy-ish flair and strength about himself too. Hense his final "nonchallance".Caught 2 more Trek episodes: Turnabout Intruder and A Private Little War.
TI--I guess it's tough for women to become captains in the 23rd century. I guess you can't expect a show with girls in mini-skirt uniforms not to be sexist despite it's usual liberal stances elsewhere.
APLW--Am I watching Cantonese Opera? Albino gorrilla dinosaur suits and a mystic babe wearing an orange shag carpet for a bra?! I guess this episode is as good an example as any to discuss the Trek formula and contradictions. The Federation wants to keep this backwater planet in a peaceful stage and yet fight scenes, adulteries, and escapes using violence abound. The liberal philosophy side of the show suggests that this is a tragedy that the people have to become war-like and yet the entertainment value of the show itself depends on all the passions let loose. DeMille is like this too, talking god and showing orgies. And, no matter how liberal the show talks, the ship and its crew are basically a Right-wing military in action (and thank god for that, imagine all the philosophy and righteous seriousness and no phasers or alien hot snatch? Hmmmm, sounds like ST: The Next Generation).
posted 03-05-2002 09:16 PM PT (US) 
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Caught two movies today:40 DAYS AND 40 NIGHTS
An okay romantic comedy with Josh Hartnett as a guy who, to get over his bitchy ex-girlfriend (Vinessa Shaw), decides to give up sex (in all its forms) for Lent. Unfortunately for him, he meets a great girl (Shannyn Sossamon) but can't do anything about it, physically. Hartnett has a surprising gift for comedy, and he and Sossamon have great chemistry. Too bad the film is awash in wholly unlikable supporting characters and occasionally stupid jokes. A semi-interesting return to form for director Michael Lehmann (Heathers). I hope that Rolfe Kent's terrific, catchy score gets a release.
Rating: ***1/2
BIG FAT LIAR
Frankie Muniz plays a kid who, along with his best friend (Amanda Bynes), seeks revenge and a confession from an obnoxious film producer (Paul Giamatti) who stole his school paper and is turning it into a movie. Already one of the year's pleasant surprises, this is much better than you'd expect from a kid's movie. Has lots of heart and laughs (especially in the final third). Good score by Christophe Beck; it probably won't be released, but here's hoping.
Rating: ****
posted 03-09-2002 04:56 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Eskimo (1933) directed by W S VanDyke turns out to be an amazing film just the kind of thing I look for in movies--on-location shooting in the Arctic of whale, walrus, and caribou hunts, plus a great story that gives a measure of respect to the Inuit peoples--right down to using Inuit actors and retaining their language with titles. Can't believe this is an MGM film from the guy who directed The Thin Man.Vanilla Sky (2001) Tom Cruise doesn't seem to mind playing against the image of himself as a pretty boy. This film enters Philip K Dick & The Matrix territory and also reminded me of A Beautiful Mind and Mulholland Drive in that what is dream, reality, and sanity are hard to determine and that the one linear narrative you have to hold onto takes a major detour. MD remained illusive, ABM became too concrete, VS takes the Psycho route and has some guy explain everything into rational sense at the end. There are deeper implications at work in the story, but trying to hold the film together in your head doesn't give you much opportunity to consider them. In the end what could have been thought-provoking stuff is reduced to a retread of the same ground covered in sci-fi since the 60s.
posted 03-09-2002 08:57 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Lou (and everyone), try to see Amenáber's OPEN YOUR EYES and tell me how you think it stands up against VANILLA SKY.THE SENATOR WAS INDISCREET (US 1947)
Directed by George S. Kaufman
Screenplay by Charles MacCarthur, from a story by Edwin Lanham
Photography by William Mellor
Music by Daniele AmfitheatrofMain Cast: William Powell, Ella Raines, Peter Lind Hayes, Ray Collins, Arleen Whelan
During his campaign to get elected president, a politician and his aides must get rid of an incriminating diary.
The pursuit of the diary itself becomes a bit tiresome in this rather obvious satire, but there are successfully surreal moments (William Powell coming out the wrong door of his hotel room in pyjamas and finding himself in the middle of Grand Central Station), and some unsuccessful ones too (the brief, perplexing shot of the aftermath of a train crash).
The movie on the whole looks somewhat minor, like an old TV show, but there are some funny lines, and Danny Amphitheater enters into the daffy spirit of things with a bright score.
posted 03-10-2002 02:58 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT (US 1940)Directed by Alfred Hitchcock
Screenplay by Charles Bennett, Joan Harrison, James Hilton, Robert Benchley, from the novel by Vincent Sheean
Photography by Rudolph Maté
Music by Alfred NewmanMain Cast: Joel McCrea, Laraine Day, Herbert Marshall, Albert Basserman, Edmund Gwenn, George Sanders
Cross and double cross and triple cross and spies and espionage and stuff like that in Europe just before the outbreak of WW2.
Rollicking light thriller with a somewhat childish Boys Own comic book feel. Being typically "Hitchcockian", much of the build-up seems a mere excuse for the staging of the set-pieces, and whilst some are good (the atmospheric early bits in the windmill), others are terrible (Joel McCrea with the inept hired killer), and the mechanics of it all stick out a mile.
The "keep watching the skies" epilogue recalls the later THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD and was probably a propoganda excercise to get America involved in the war.
Alf Newman's score sounded undistinguished for a Hitch film.
posted 03-10-2002 03:10 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Just saw INTACTO, a new Spanish thing (though Max Von Sydow is in it). I don't have the cast and credits at hand, but who cares? INTACTO is a thriller with supernatural overtones, and seems to be about luck and destiny. Clever moments poke through the tedium, but the narrative is so obtuse and the whole thing so dolefully spiritless that it's hard to sit through. Composer Lucio Godoy previously worked on the orchestrations for Amenabár's THE OTHERS.
posted 03-10-2002 03:15 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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MULHOLLAND DRIVE: For me the test of a David Lynch film is if it manages to be compelling even when you don't know what's going on. Is MULHOLLAND DRIVE compelling? Sufficiently so, I thought, although perhaps it has difficulty sustaining itself over two and a half hours.The pieces of the jigsaw do seem to fit, albeit within the distorted logic of Lynch's world. I sometimes wondered, but now I'm sure that there's plenty more going on inside his cranium than the desire to take the Michael and be considered weird. There is an awful lot of detail on offer in this film, and it's crying out for repeat viewings. Besides, that way you'll get to see those good lesbian scenes again. Fine set of baps on that Harring woman.
Angelo Badalamenti's music does what you'd expect, meaning that it's not to be trusted. Watch out for the composer in an early scene, scarily getting angry with his coffee!
MULHOLLAND DRIVE (USA 2001)
Directed by David Lynch
Screenplay by David Lynch
Photography by Peter Deming
Music by Angelo BadalamentiMain Cast: Laura Elena Harring, Naomi Watts, Justin Theroux, Ann Miller
posted 03-12-2002 01:25 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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COME AND GET IT (USA 1936)Directed by Howard Hawks and William Wyler
Screenplay by Jules Furthman and Jane Murfin, from the novel by Edna Ferber
Photography by Gregg Toland and Rudolph Maté
Music by Alfred NewmanMain Cast: Edward Arnold, Frances Farmer, Joel McCrea, Walter Brennan
Logging boss rejects real love and marries for business reasons. Old flame marries logger's old friend. Old flame has daughter. Old flame dies. Old flame's daughter grows up to look exactly like old flame. Logger visits old friend. Logger tries to rekindle old flame's daughter, in absence of real old flame. Logger's son also falls for dad's old flame's daughter.
What a corker of a plot! You may raise an eyebrow at some of the things in it, like how Edward Arnold doesn't age, and how Frances Farmer falls for him in the first place (then settles for Walter Brennan!), but I still think it's a great movie which has dated very little. I wonder what it was like on the set having both Hawks and Wyler at the helm.
Plenty of interesting themes, and the complexity of the Edward Arnold character gives food for thought. Here is a man who thought that everything was there for the taking ("Come and get it!") yet is doomed to failure in love, and forced to lose his dignity for nothing when it's all too late. And the realization at the end that he is just "an old man" lends an extra hard edge to things.
I'd never seen big-chinned Frances Farmer in a film before. Uncannily like...Jessica Lange!(appropriate choice then to have Lange play FRANCES in that biopic with the John Barry score.)
Excellent semi-documentary logging shots in the first part of the movie too, vigorously scored by Alf Newman. Later parts of the score include string adaptations of the song sung by Farmer in the club scenes, "Aura Lee, Aura Lee, doo ree roo ree ree" (didn't that turn into Elvis Presley doing "Love Me Tender" decades later?) and "I Dream Of Jeannie", also heard in BARBARY COAST.
Hmm...COME AND GET IT - the more I think about it the more I like it.
posted 03-15-2002 02:07 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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THE TALK OF THE TOWN (USA 1942)Directed by George Stevens
Screenplay by Irwin Shaw and Sidney Buchman, from a story by Sidney Harmon
Photography by Ted Tetzlaff
Music by Frederick HollanderMain Cast: Ronald Colman, Cary Grant, Jean Arthur
A law expert rents a house in which an escaped convict is hiding.
Another excellent, if overstretched, golden oldie. A comedy-drama, the fun is in watching how debonair cold fish Ronald Colman and rabble-rouser Cary Grant play off each other (with Jean Arthur in the middle, emotionally pulled this way and that).
Good dialogues abound as Colman gradually gets "humanized", softening his aloofness (and shaving off his symbolically aloof Duc de Richleau beard) while Grant begins to take the middle ground from the opposite direction. The message seems to be that small doses of justifiable petty lying and minor violence never did anyone any harm. That's what it means to be human!
Pretty good Frederick Hollander score. Fine, dramatic music for the crime and prison escape, bright mickey-mousing to point up the amusing bits, and an ennobling theme for the Supreme Court which sounds extremely like Yoda's theme from STAR WARS.
posted 03-16-2002 10:11 AM PT (US) 
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Graham--Someone had to explain Mulholland Drive to me, not that it really mattered.Come and Get It is tough stuff. I totally identify with Edward Arnold and he just misses the boat his whole life long. Hawks was a conservative but this film seems to suggest that becoming rich has major drawbacks.
Hawks considered Francis Farmer the best actress he ever worked with and this is really her one shining moment in film. Arnold is great. Brennan won the Oscar. But it's really her film and she's great. And she's not even that pretty but she has great appeal and command even so.
The logging footage was shot by a second unit guy Harold Rossen, a long-time Hawks associate.
Goldwyn didn't like the ending that Hawks shot so Hawks suggested some changes. Goldwyn didn't like them. Told Hawks that 'Directors shouldn't write' and so Hawks either walked or was sacked. Goldwyn called in Wyler, told him he could reshoot most of the picture. Wyler told Goldwyn that what Hawks had shot was good and should be left alone. Wyler did re-shoots including the ending, he says it was only a couple of minutes, but he gets co-credit.
Oddly, Hawks would work for Goldwyn twice more, even after parodying Goldwyn in Only Angels Have Wings.
As I mentioned before, the 30s Hawks films seem to be against older patriarchal types. The younger guys defeat them like Joel McCrea in both this and Barbary Coast. I think this is Hawks working out his Oedipal conflict so that he wins. Later, when Hawks is older, it's the old guys who get respect in his films.
Talk of the Town is marvelous. I kinda want Colman to win over Grant but they worked out the ending so it satisfies everyone I guess. Amazing how they keep most of the film confined to the house and how loony Jean Arthur is in the thing.
I love Jean Arthur but she has the strangest persona of any actress I've seen in films: The Plainsman, Only Angels Have Wings, You Can't Take It With You, Talk of the Town, The More the Merrier, even A Foreign Affair---she is one gawky broad. It's strange to even think of her as desirable and yet she's always in the middle of some romance or triangle. There is a remarkable film with her and Fred MacMurray and Melvyn Douglas whose title eludes me right now where her whole character astounds me more than anything else.
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posted 03-16-2002 09:17 PM PT (US) 
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GOODBYE MR. CHIPS(1939) **** OUT OF ****Robert Donat - Charles Chipping
Greer Garson - Katherine Chipping
Terry Kilburn - John/Peter Colley
John Mills - Peter Colley as a young man
Paul Henreid - Max Staefel
Sam Wood - Director
Victor Saville - Producer
Sidney A. Franklin - Screenwriter
Eric Maschwitz - Screenwriter
Robert Cedric Sherriff - Screenwriter
Claudine West - Screenwriter
Freddie Young - Cinematographer
Richard Addinsell - Composer (Music Score)
Charles Frend - Editor
Alfred Junge - Art Director
Louis Levy - Musical Direction/Supervision
Julie Harris - Costume DesignerGoodbye, Mr. Chips, based on James Hilton's novel, is a moving melodrama about a shy British teacher (Robert Donat) who devotes his life to teaching "his boys" after the death of his lovely, energetic American wife (Greer Garson). Donat won an Academy Award for his excellent, sentimental portrayal of the title character, and the film features Garson's debut performance. — Stephen Thomas Erlewine from (ALLMOVIE GUIDE .COM)
Wow, I haven't seen this movie in maybe 20 years and yet, even now, it has the ability to make this cynical and bitter man a weeping wreck!
Beautifully rendered performance by Robert Donat especially as the older "Grandad" (Clive Dunne-type) Mr. Chips. How could any person not feel sympathetic towards this gentle, humble, wise and caring character? The central "courting" scenes between the "shy" Chips and Greer Garson are moving to watch especially the scene where, realising he may lose her forever, Chips risks all, chasing after the train on the platform asking for her hand in marriage. The feeling of history at the school is wonderful with the continous use of shots of the register being called out for a new term really adding to the feeling of the time scale of the film. The latter part of the film has some touching scenes regarding some casualties of World War One, which is ironic, as the film was made on the eve of World War Two. It just adds to the feeling of historic importance of the film. To today's younger audience, I suppose "Goodbye Mr Chips" would appear old fashioned and overly-sentimental, but I say, if more films were made like this today, the world would be a better place and people's "souls" a lot happier and contented. The final shot of Colley turning around in the door saying "Goodbye Mr. Chips" is a classic tearjerking image of the "Golden Age of Cinema". Lovely score by Richard Addinsell too (he of "Warsaw Concerto" fame)
Speaking of the score, there was a "Hymn" used throughout the movie, especially in the "assembly" scenes. Does anyone know what this Hymn is, or was it just part of the score written for the movie. It has a kind of "Jerusalem" quality to it and yet maybe not quite as patriotic as that.Gae NP Classic FM
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posted 03-17-2002 12:21 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Thanks guys for keeping this thread alight!Lou, that's interesting about the circumstances of the Hawks/ Wyler shooting of COME AND GET IT. And while I don't know if Wyler shared Hawks' opinion about Frances Farmer being a great actress, he did say "The nicest thing I can say about Frances Farmer is that she's unbearable."
Regarding TALK OF THE TOWN, apparently two endings were filmed, and the choice of final partner for Jean Arthur was determined by audience reaction at previews. By the way, Lou, that other Jean Arthur film you're thinking about must be TOO MANY HUSBANDS, based on a play by Somerset Maugham.
I'm really enjoying getting an education watching old movies and keeping an eye on the Message Board (but not at the same time)!
posted 03-17-2002 02:01 PM PT (US) 
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Hey no probs Graham. I personally havent seen that many films worth writing about recently. Speaking about continuing this long running thread, when are you going to put your profile up?
We know you so well and yet we dont!! Gae
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posted 03-17-2002 04:29 PM PT (US) 
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You're right, it was called Too Many Husbands and it was great and had a really wild ending for a post-code film.
posted 03-17-2002 08:05 PM PT (US) 
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That's an interesting Wyler quote, the opposite of Hawks' take on her. Of course, if you believe Hawks, chances are they slept together, that might have colored his opinion of her a little
It's possible that after Hawks, she might have been very unhappy with Wyler or anyone who came in on the film. Farmer wrote an autobiography I've always wanted to read but, as I understand, the majority of it deals with her experiences with mental illness and not her career so much.
I like this topic. I see older films mostly and this is the only place I can discuss them. What new film Hans Zimmer is scoring or what's going on with LOTR or AOTC couldn't interest me less. I often feel out-of-place at this board but I always feel at home at this on-going column.
posted 03-18-2002 02:55 AM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Gae--I think the Hymn is by Addinsell but don't quote me on that. I haven't seen the film in sometime. Music from it has been re-recorded and is aon a couple of different CDs now I believe.Others--Well, with all the films I have backlogged on tape I've never seen, what do I do? Watch more Star Trek episodes I've seen a dozen times before, of course. It's just that they're so short and go down so easy, even if they do come off as silly sometimes.
Still, I can hear my mom right now: "I didn't raise my boy to be a Trekkie."
Sorry Mom.
Caught The Enemy Within with its great Sol Kaplan score and The Corbomite Maneuver with its great Fred Steiner score.
In The Corbomite Maneuver, the first episode shot beyond the pilots, everyone still seems a bit green: Sulu is more like Spock than Spock, McCoy contends against Kirk in ways that would be unthinkable later on, etc. Still, this episode does establish a few regular staples--sitting around a table trying to think a way to a solution to the conflict, Shatner chewing scenery about the difficult responsibility of command, Kirk always going beyond the limits of the ship (it would be great if just once Scottie said, 'you can't do it, it's only a theory, it's never been done' and Kirk orders him to do it anyway and the ship just explodes into dust).
The actors are less green with the show in the later 1st season episode, The Enemy Within, to try making a profound statement on the nature of Man, kind of embracing the duality of Man as a positive.
Both of these episodes involve a panicky, irrational crew member. In Corbomite it's Bailey and in Within it's Capt. Kirk's id. Bailey has a great outburst, calling them all tin soldiers as they remain calm and count off the seconds towards their deaths. But ultimately, the show sides against him. It's grace under pressure that the series favors, and at one point Kirk re-enforces the concept of rules by saying the ship is not a democracy. Kirk's id breaks those rules of conduct and fights against becoming re-integrated with Kirk's supressing superego, but even Kirk's dark half realizes he has nowhere else to go. Under the influence of drugs, Kirk also battles his id in A Private Little War, The Naked Time, and other episodes. Spock battles his id in many episodes too, but then he's so superego to begin with that those moments of eruption are usually a relief. Which means that Trek supports a kind of controlled but still balanced personality that fits itself into a heirarchical social structure. I guess the class struggle doesn't pan out in the 23rd century either.
But trying to pin Roddenberry down to a consistent politics or point-of-view isn't as easy as it looks. The series itself reflects the conflicts of its creator--pretty girls to lust over, yet high-minded philosophy, bug-eyed aliens, yet personal and interpersonal relations to dwelve into, action and violence, yet talk of peaceful intentions and non-interference, etc. It's no mistake that Shakespeare is addressed in an early Trek episode. Roddenberry may have pitched Trek as a Wagon Train to the Stars but in going in for both high-brow concepts and low-brow gags and girls, I think he was trying for being the Bard of the Airwaves.
posted 03-18-2002 09:59 PM PT (US) 
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Well, I am disappointed in Hollywood. We have many actors turning to TV because the movie scripts are terrible. Hollywood must have a huge drug problem. IF police officers watched some of Hollywood's bad movies, take down the names from the cast and watch some of these people's activities, they would catch most of the drug dealers. Hollywood needs to change their way of thinking.It makes me angry when a director remakes his own movie. I hear E.T. is being released and I doubt that Hollywood will give the public the option to own the original movie on DVD. It will be the director's cut. I am sick of Hollywood not letting me choose wether I want the Original movie or the director's cut. I wish they would leave the good movies alone and make better new movies. Are they that desprite? If the Star Wars episodes ever are released on DVD, I would like to own the original movies. I do not care about the director's cut because I did not see that movie when I was a kid. These people seem to think that they can change whatever they want. Well that is fine with me as long as I am given the choice to own the original or the directors cut. Steven Spielburg and George Lucas were my heroes but now they have turned into old fools. I have lost much respect for them. I only hope they do not retouch Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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posted 03-19-2002 12:40 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Where's my profile, Gae? Oh, I'll get round to it one day, I suppose. I might even put a picture up, if I can find one of someone attractive enough.Hey everyone, what did you think of THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES, that new one with Richard Gere? I thought it was good, with a sombre mood like THE X FILES. In fact, I found the measured pace actually quite refreshing. Here the visual pyrotechnics are all the more effective for being subtle: note the subliminal glimpses of moth shapes throughout the film, and even how some frame compositions evoke the same symmetry as that powdery night-species with its wings open.
But I still don't know if it makes much sense, however as it's supposedly based on fact we'll forgive any possible loose ends, because...that's life!
Effective music by Tomandandy, the two of them (that moth-like symmetry again).
THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES (USA 2002)
Directed by Mark Pellington
Screenplay by Richard Hatem, from the book by John A. Keel
Photography by Fred Murphy
Music by TomandandyMain Cast: Richard Gere, Laura Linney, Will Patton
posted 03-19-2002 01:31 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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THE MILAGRO BEANFIELD WAR (USA 1988)Directed by Robert Redford
Screenplay by David Ward and John Nichols, from the book by John Nichols
Photography by Robbie Greenberg
Music by Dave GrusinMain Cast: Ruben Blades, Richard Bradford, Sonia Braga, John Heard, Christopher Walken, Daniel Stern
Poor farmers are up against property developers. And a ghostly Mr Bean comes and spills his seed all over New Mexico, tee hee.
Just having a bit of fun with the synopsis there. It's another of Robert Redford's mildly mystical movies with an undercurrent of liberalism and touches of "magic realism" (or maybe not, but something like that). It has a slight charm, but the ensemble playing diffuses focus, and it gets a bit boring (but not as boring as Redford's really really stressfully boring LEGEND OF BAGGER VANCE).
Dave Grusin's gentle (and Oscar winning) score is largely south-of-the-border melodies on guitar, like the tranquil bits of THE WILD BUNCH. Good semi-ghostly squeezebox waltz for the title sequence of Mr Bean's initial seed-spilling. It sets just the right tone which the film itself has difficulty maintaining.
THE MILAGRO BEANFIELD WAR don't amount to a hill of beans!
posted 03-19-2002 01:58 PM PT (US) 
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I WANT TO LIVE! (USA 1958)Directed by Robert Wise
Screenplay by Nelson Gidding and Don Mankiewicz
Photography by Lionel Lindon
Music by John MandelMain Cast: Susan Hayward, Simon Oakland
Good-time girl Barbara Graham goes to the gas chamber.
Was this ever really that good? I thought that the mood was too hysterical, reflected in Susan Hayward's annoying Oscar-winning performance. It also seems to badly run out of steam just when it should be building tension. Some striking moments though in the harshly-lit photography, but it makes it look like a (stylish) TV show from the period, not that that's necessarilly a criticism, but it does date it a bit and reduces its scale.
Regarding the score, well, I love jazz and I'd like to have this CD. Watch out for giants like Gerry Mulligan in the opening club sequence: I love the big booting sound of his baritone sax. Johnny Mandel was only twenty-three when he composed all this great stuff, and some of Mandel's later scores are really fine. Remember HARPER? BUT...in this case I think the jazz underscore has a hard job conveying any drama, and what drama there is is ultimately cheapened by the music, which doesn't help the already flawed film at all.
posted 03-19-2002 02:11 PM PT (US) 
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Graham--They should have called 'I Want To Live' I Want To Leave. I haven't seen this thing in 20 years. I remember liking it then but have no idea how I'd react to it now.Others--Yup, 2 more Trek episodes. The Galileo Seven and The Doomsday Machine. Once again, two episodes dealing with what it means to be a leader. To me, Spock really seems to be making the right choices in TG7, but he pisses off the crew and loses a couple of them as well. Given how they laugh at him at the end, if I were Vulcan, I'd have nothing to do with these nasty, foolish, sentimental humans. But I'm not meant to side with Spock in this episode, success only comes when he works past his logical side to take a gamble. In Doomsday, Spock seems the right person to command but is out-ranked. As in the other Trek episodes I've discussed, anyone who allows their personal needs to take preceedence over the rules of conduct is doomed to fail and "not fit for their post." Seeing this strain in a number of Trek episodes leads me to ask just what is Trek getting at with its' obsession over this topic. Why is it so concerned with who's the boss, who deserves to be, what qualities it takes to lead, etc. The Enterprise has been called a metaphor, Spaceship Earth. If so, then perhaps who commands the bridge and why is really about Roddenberry's politics, who should run America and why. Obviously, the rashly over-militant Commodore Decker isn't right, nor is the emotionless Spock of TG7, even when making all the right moves, he misses something. So, I guess Kirk's the boy.
posted 03-19-2002 10:40 PM PT (US) 
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Heist Gene Hackman, a professional thief, wants to retire, but he is
double crossed by Danny Di Vito’s character and has to do “one more” theft
before retirement. David Mamet wrote the screenplay and directed the movie.
Mamet is repeating himself. This is a little similar to House of Cards. I knew that
everything I was watching was an act to fool the audience and the bad guys. It
was just too obvious that, ‘Nothing is what it seems,” and this technique was
ridiculously redunant in the movieTraining Day I almost turned this off, as I found the first hour noisy and
irritating. Watching Denzel bitch at and belittle Ethan Hawkins and
the askance photography and editing were starting to grow weary. The second
hour, however, made watching the first hour worthwhile. Denzel’s decline into
almost psychosis becomes more nuanced, and the audience is hooked into caring
about Hawkin’s character. (For all the talk about Denzel’s fine villainous performance,
which was well-done, I think Hawkins is a real stand out in the movie.) Clues from
the first hour and an amazing act of serendipity gel this last hour into an exciting,
nail biting hour of action that had me glued to the television.Come And Get It Couldn’t resist renting this movie after Graham’s and
Lou’s comments. I enjoyed it. Can’t help but wonder which scenes were Hawks
and which were Wyler’s. First time I’ve seen Farmer, and she did look like
Jessica Lang. The opening with its crisp cinemaphotgraphy of all snow melting and
the timber being harvested was masterful. Solid music from Newman. (Hey,
you mean Love Me Tender wasn’t an Elvis original?
)Gae, I don't know the name of the hymn, but I watched Goodbye Mr. Chips a while ago and had to get out the kleenex.
Lou, thanks for the trips down memory lane with the Star Trek episodes. I've seen them all many times and still enjoy them.
posted 03-20-2002 07:49 PM PT (US) 
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You guys are making me want to re-watch Come And Get It. One thing I loved, thinking about it again is how the pendulum swings, that the first Farmer character is so street smart and sexy but her daughter is much more reserved while Arnold's daughter is his opposite too, opposing her dad's way of being and refusing to make his conservative mistakes.Caught Daisies (1966), a wonderfully fun and anarchic Czech film, with two loony women breaking a lot of social conventions (and one or two laws) as they attempt to be "as bad" as the things they see around them. It makes some points (their being rude is nothing compared to what people do to each other in wars) but that's besides the point: the film's just so in love with the silly free-spiritedness of the two women that nothing else really matters. Strange, liberating, sad, beautiful, with a wonderful use of color and B&W, and a very ecclectic score and use of sound.
Island in the Sun (1957), directed by Robert Rossen with an amazing cast: James Mason, Michael Rennie, Stephen Boyd, Joan Fontaine, Joan Collins, John Williams, Harry Belafonte, and Dorothy Dandridge. Plus a score by Malcolm Arnold! But even with all that talent behind it, this tale of island politics, race, misegenation, and calypso music failed to gel or ignite for me despite my recognizing very good things in it. Perhaps it's the soapy, melodramatic tone that put me off. The film is daring and adult, i.e. the "evil" racist and classist murderer becomes much more mature and self-aware by the film's end. The film deals with political issues, but also with black-white relations on a personal level as well. There are 3 mixed couples and so 3 different scenarios and conclusions. By giving us 3 versions, the film squirms out of having to take a blunt stance on the issue, but it also means the film is more nuanced and doesn't exist just to promote a simple message. The 3 couples deal with their situation and circumstances as real people would and perhaps the overall view of the film is one of people either transcending or failing to transcend the issues of class, sex, and race they deal with at the political level. Seen in this light, the villain, as I said, comes off more like a hero and vice versa.
posted 03-20-2002 10:48 PM PT (US) 
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Joan, good to see you here again. Don't give the FSM board ALL your time! I used to post their regularly, but then I had some difficulty re-registering after the changeover and, after thinking about it, decided to only post here (though I do read the messages at FSM about once a week). It would just take up too much time if I tried to be at both places.MALCOLM X (USA 1992)
Directed by Spike Lee
Screenplay by Arnold Perl and Spike Lee, from the book "The Autobiography Of Malcolm X" as told to Alex Haley
Photography by Ernest Dickerson
Music by Terence BlanchardMain Cast: Denzel Washington, Angela Bassett, Albert Hall, Al Freeman Jr.
The story of the black activist: his early days as a small-time crook, his conversion to Islam in prison, his disillusionment with the behaviour of the Muslim godfathers, his subsequent mellowing, and his violent end.
I remember some talk right here a while back about this film. Is it possible to talk about the movie MALCOLM X without bringing up politics and real life? Probably not. Anyway, no denying that the film is...very long. But it did manage to hold my attention for most of its 200 minutes, and Denzel Washington is spellbinding in the title role. For the most part a dignified portrait, the film seems to play fair, and it does raise pertinent questions about civil rights and the perception of inciting violence in their defence. Recreated interviews from the period go some way to answering our own questions on the subject just as we're forming them in our heads. Malcolm does mellow after his trip to the Middle East, but the film ends with a curious insert: during Nelson Mandela's appearance as the Soweto teacher telling his students what Malcolm X was trying to achieve, the film suddenly cuts to old newsreel footage of Malcolm (or Denzel) saying solemnly "...by any means necessary." Cue end credits.
Pretty serious stuff, intelligently handled, but there is one misjudged scene: Elijah Mohammed's appearance to Malcolm X in prison is like the ghost of Yoda. That voice!
Good Terence Blanchard score again. I really like his unpredictable, far-reaching string writing, all over the scale like Michael Small or Paul Chihara. As is the healthy norm with Spike Lee films, all the members of the orchestra (here "The Malcolm X Orchestra") are credited.
posted 03-23-2002 01:36 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Saw FROM HELL yesterday, the Johnny Depp/ Jack the Ripper thing. I thought it was quite a plain retelling of the old story, with the occasional new twist (Johnny Depp's second sight - an underexploited idea for sure - why does he have that?). A handsome film with fine sets, but a bit incessantly lugubrious. Trevor Jones' score suffers from omnipresence, and it too is oppressively (and I suppose appropriately) lugubrious, but at least it's high-quality lugubrious. Nice theme in there amongst the...lugubriousness?FROM HELL (USA 2001)
Directed by Allen and Albert Hughes
Screenplay by Terry Hayes and Rafael Yglesias, from the graphic novel by Alan Moore and Eddie Campbell
Photography by Peter Deming
Music by Trevor JonesMain Cast: Johnny Depp, Heather Graham, Robbie Coltrane, Ian Holm
posted 03-24-2002 08:19 AM PT (US) 
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Thanks Graham. I do try to post at both Boards, but I limit myself to those threads
that hold interest for me.Lou, I’ll be curious as to your reaction to Farmer on your next viewing of Come and Get
It. While I thought the first Lotta was street smart, I was rather appalled by her stilted,
overly masculine body language. I didn’t find her sexy then; I thought she’d had back
fusion surgery or something. Just really odd, extremely masculine movements. I figured
out why when her role as the daughter appeared, but I still thought her body language was (as the first Lotta) really strange and not very sexy.posted 03-24-2002 12:09 PM PT (US) 
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Well, After reading Lou's Star Trek comments I actually caught an episode on T.V. this afternoon and it was really enjoyable to see it again. Even though some of the elements have dated, you can see why it has become such a phenomenon. It was definately ahead of its time for T.V. and raised interesting issues about politics, race, mortality etc. Lou, you're right, even in this episode they have a committee meeting to discuss the situation. The episode was called "Return to Tomorrow" and here's a brief review from "Allmovie.com""Investigating an ancient civilization, the crew of the Enterprise discovers the preserved brains of three of the civilization's final survivors. The alien beings propose a temporary exchange, wherein they would inhabit the human bodies long enough to construct robotic shells for their minds. After deliberation, Captain Kirk (William Shatner), Mr. Spock (Leonard Nimoy), and Dr. Ann Mulhall (Diana Muldaur) volunteer for the procedure. The change is successful, but proves to have unexpected side effects — including an acceleration of bodily processes that means the task must be completed within a brief period of time. Complicating matters further is the fact that the being inhabiting Spock's body no longer wishes to cooperate with the original plan. — Judd Blaise"
Overall, it was a fun, if not "classic" episode, with a few unintentionally funny moments which had me laughing out loud. Notably, Shatner's over-acting jerky moves and facial expressions as one of the Alien beings takes over his body. He walks around the room, as the alien accustoms himself to the body, like some weird robot with hemorrhoids!!
The same thing, although to lesser degree happens when Spock is possessed. Nimoy's acting effort at being possessed involving a quizzical expression on his face, followed by a half turn as he falls balletically backwards to the ground. Kirk, as usual, gets to snog with a female member of the crew and in another unintentionally funny moment, collapses to the ground (due to his heightened metabolic rate) immediately after sampling the delights of this female's lips, during a passionate embrace. My first reaction was "Wow, that was SOME kiss"!!
Near the end of the episode, after sampling the pleasures of being alive again, and experiencing the sins of the "flesh", as a favour, the aliens ask that they be allowed to use the bodies "one more time" before disappearing into oblivion. I'm thinking, Yea and we know what for!!
They then proceed to touch each others hair and feel each others skin, kissing passionately etc. The lighting changes and sound effects convey their disappearance into oblivion as Kirk and his female crew member return to their bodies still in an embrace. They look at each other confused and let go, embarassed....although Kirk does seem to have a slightly perverse grin on his face. I was thinking while watching this, imagine how they'd felt if they had decided to go out with a "bang" after all...if you know what I mean. 
Gae
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posted 03-24-2002 12:32 PM PT (US) 
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SMALL SOLDIERS (USA 1998)Directed by Joe Dante
Screenplay by Gavin Scott, Adam Rifkin, Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio
Photography by Jamie Anderson
Music by Jerry GoldsmithMain Cast: Gregory Smith, Kirsten Dunst
I've liked the handful of Joe Dante films I've seen, but SMALL SOLDIERS is pretty weak I thought. The effects are good of course, and are fun to watch, but the human personages have no weight at all, so there's no balance. It's also extremely slack and bland for the first half hour or more, like a TV movie for young children, but things pick up later on when the cruel GREMLINSish mayhem starts. Maybe it's all too similar to GREMLINS on the whole, and the shadow of the better TOY STORY also looms large. But it's still okay.
Jerry Goldsmith's score sounded fairly run-of-the-mill to me, and that guitar riff for the soldiers was halfway to being annoying. But he probably had fun quoting things like "When Johnny Comes Marching Home", his own PATTON theme, and even Waxman's BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN (though perhaps this was just tracked in and wasn't Goldsmith's doing?)
posted 03-25-2002 02:10 PM PT (US) 
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Joan--I don't think Mae West is very attractive but her confidence is what is sexy. The first Farmer incarnation in C&GI is very 'male' and imposing. What I find sexy is her command of things, she easily slips the guy a mickey and then decides for herself not to go through with it and leaves with the guys at the end of the ensuing brawl like one of the guys. She's the girl you want to go out and conquer the world with (note I didn't say for), not some whiny cold-hearted hardbody that passes for sexy today.Gae--There are times when Trek reminds me of the local civic theater trying to put on productions of great classics. But somehow the amateur aspects of the series are part of their delight. Shatner says he can't watch 'the old me' he's just embarrased and wishes the whole thing would go away except that it's his gravy train. Nimoy felt the same way at one time but has come to embrace the series. I heard him speak once and he said there were certain things in it that were so good he remained proud of them and that also the series ultimately gave him the chance to become a director.
There are so many different qualities that go into making Trek entertaining: when it's good it's good and when it's bad it's good too. But basically it works because it's good drama. The basic formula involves an unknown phenonmenon that either threatens the ship or some civilization, or else a personality or civilization that has developed into a cul-de-sac and needs a push to set it back on the right track, in some cases the civilization is us (Trek talks about non-interference but the cast has to interfere or else there's no story). Anyway, there is a conflict or problem that needs fixing. The crew gets together in a strategy meeting to figure out things they can do to solve the problem. Spock is reason and science, Bones is emotion, Kirk is the balance of both sides (although he still requires advice). A friend of mine pointed out that the reason Kirk can beat Spock in 3D chess is that he can access intuition that Spock cannot. But he's also able to keep a cool head in most situations. He represents the best of both worlds.
Ok, once they've done the thinking (which is one kind of action), they must do the physical, put the plan into action. And like a good chess game, every move meets a counter move. Strategies change and adapt to circumstance, girls get kissed, bad things get phasered, faulty machinery gets fixed, mysteries are made rational, but ethical considerations beyond self-preservation govern or motivate the actions as well ("No, I won't kill him. Do you hear, I won't kill him."). Things eventually get solved, sometimes well, sometimes not, sometimes in-between (the great ending of City on the Edge of Forever--history hasn't been altered, the order of the universe is safe, but Kirk personally loses out: "Let's get the hell out of here.")
Trek seems also to possess some intangible magic. A lot of films and TV stick to the express train of good dramatic structure and add all the right flourishes but still flounder. Trek seems to ride out most of its excesses and flaws (but certainly not all as dismal episodes do exist). But, not only that, for as I said before, it even manages the miracle of turning its weaknesses into an entertaining style. But it couldn't do this without having the solid base of a good dramatic situation, interesting characters, etc.
That said, the only reason I watch it is to see hot 60s babes in mini-skirts

posted 03-25-2002 10:36 PM PT (US) 
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THE LONELINESS OF THE LONG DISTANCE RUNNER (GB 1962)Directed by Tony Richardson
Screenplay by Allan Sillitoe, from his story
Photography by Walter Lassally
Music by John AddisonMain Cast: Tom Courtenay, Michael Redgrave, James Bolam
Angry Young Man gets sent to Borstal and gets good at cross-country running. Whilst training, we see flashbacks of his miserable pre-arrest working class existence.
Semi-memorable Angry Young Man/ English New Wave/ Free Cinema/ Social Conscience drama: I'm not sure what the right label is, but you can see kitchen sinks in some of the shots.
It's quite vivid in its portrayal of the depressing family life (the bickering, the rowdy children, the excitement at getting their first TV set - probably stolen), and Tom Courteney is good, though perhaps a shade too old, as the messed-up protagonist. But the treatment of the seedy surroundings sometimes makes it difficult to know what kind of mood the film is trying to create, what with its fast-motion comic interludes and John Addison's breezy score (jolly jazz, cheery whistling, and "Jerusalem").
I have the feeling that this might have been an important film in its day, but for me it didn't quite hang together.
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