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    Topic:   Movies you loved, but everyone else loathed.

     SBD
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    It's been a long time (maybe too long) since I've started a thread. We all have them - movies that we treasure, but others trash. I invite everyone (even those members who wouldn't touch this section of the site with a 39 1/2 foot pole) to list their own films. Hopefully, this will prove to be as popular as that other thread (the one with the quotes). B.Y.O.O. - Bring Your Own Opinions.
    Here's a partial list:

    Darkman (perhaps one of my all time favorites)
    Mystery Men (too long for some, but I enjoyed it)
    The Vanishing (the remake, not the dreadful original; whoa, how many times do you hear those words in that order?)
    The Adventures of Rocky & Bullwinkle (say what you will, but I think it was rather well done)
    Coneheads (perhaps the most underrated, if not the best, of the SNL skit-to-film underperformers)
    The Faculty (of the glut of youth-oriented horror flicks of the last few years, this is one of the few that I never tire of)
    Robin Hood: Men in Tights (proof that Mel Brooks has still got it, with a number of side-splitting lines)

    More to come...

    What about the rest of you?

    NP - The Haunting ****/*****

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    posted 11-30-2000 06:47 AM PT (US)     

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    COUSINS with Ted Danson. Loved it and its score.

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    posted 11-30-2000 06:17 PM PT (US)     

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    Starship Troopers. Myself and one friend enjoyed it, and the rest hated it! I just love the news flashes!
    Robin Hood: Men In Tights. Still has to be the best Robin Hood spoof movie.
    Spaceballs. I still love this film after all these years. I guess I'm just one of those SF fans that can take digs at their favourite SF films and shows. A friend of mine just HATED Galaxy Quest but I found it hilariously funny. My friend must be a too die-hard a trekkie!

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    posted 11-30-2000 08:15 PM PT (US)     

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    I found Starship Troopers very good. I like Spaceballs, too.

    Nobody seems to be too keen on The Fury, or Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, but they are two favourites of mine.

    NP: Ultimate Edition (John Williams)

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    posted 12-01-2000 09:07 AM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Good one, SBD!

    I'll go back to things I saw when I was still young and impressionable:

    The Sentinel (the obnoxious, tasteless and laughable Michael Winner film from 1977). Great!

    The Hand (Oliver Stone's "terrible" walking hand outing.) Great!

    Wolfen. (Michael Wadleigh's "terrible" wolfman movie)!

    I thought all these were profoundly splendid films! Maybe if I saw them today...No! I'd STILL like them!

    I really think that they ARE good! They hit a nerve, and I think they all had something to offer apart from the schlock. I really noticed subtext in all of these when I was young!

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    posted 12-01-2000 02:11 PM PT (US)     

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    And Marian, I agree with you. I haven't seen The Fury since I was knee high to a grasshopper, so you can class my reaction to that along with the other titles I mentioned, but Frankenstein: I LOVE the Branagh version! It moves like an Indiana Jones movie (some critic said that too), and..., well, Holy Hyberbole!

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    posted 12-01-2000 02:17 PM PT (US)     

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    Both Frankenstein and Fury are visually and musically stunning, and in both cases (and particularly Fury), the score works marvellously. When watching the vision sequences from Fury, the camerawork and score can really make you feel dazed. Yeah, Frankenstein is overblown. So what? That's what makes it so good.

    Another one on my list would be Hollow Man. I mean, people complained about a lack of script. In my opinion, it has more script and "content" than most action flicks, and boy was it thrilling. Great score, too, and fantastic special effects, although the latter alone is no reason for me to like a movie.

    NP: Richard Strauss: Death and Transfiguration (Berlin Philharmonic, Herbert von Karajan)

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    posted 12-01-2000 05:18 PM PT (US)     

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    I think I let this thread die too quickly.

    More faves:

    Better Off Dead (an extremely underrated teen movie with John Cusack)
    Titan A.E. (very dazzling)
    The Shadow (it had a lot of entertaining moments)

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    posted 12-18-2000 06:54 AM PT (US)     

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    Three underregarded gems from director John Frankenheimer: PROPHECY (1979), THE CHALLENGE (1982) and, yes, THE ISLAND OF DR. MOREAU (1996).

    Bert I. Gordon's EMPIRE OF THE ANTS (1977).

    William Peter Blatty's EXORCIST III (1990).

    For that matter, John Boorman's EXORCIST II (1977) (it's much better if you don't think of it as a followup to the original EXORCIST, but rather as a peculiar animal all its own.)

    Ishiro Honda's KING KONG ESCAPES (1967).

    John Guillermin's KING KONG (1976).

    MACON COUNTY LINE. MANDINGO. MATANGO. THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL. SEX KILLER. Many of the titles listed above, especially THE FURY.

    And so on.

    NP: THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (Bernard Herrmann)

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    posted 12-18-2000 04:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Joan, I'm with you on Cousins. It is one of the few "relationship" pictures that I genuinely like.


    One of my favorite films that people can't seem to understand is "The Goonies" I grant that there is an extreme amount of dairy (much cheese), but I just love that movie!


    "Return to Oz" I liked this one even before I heard the score. Much lambasted, it is much truer to the original vision and quite good in my view

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    posted 01-03-2001 11:07 AM PT (US)     

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    Graham, I love WOLFEN too! But then I'm a sucker for anything wolfish.

    I can only think of one loathed movie that I personally love:

    THE BEDSITTING ROOM. Weird and almost wonderful subversive comedy, co-written by Spike Milligan as a passionate attack on nuclear madness, this film effectively killed director Richard Lester's career stone dead for years. Reviled at the time, because its humour is so off-the-wall and, frankly, insane, it's possible to watch the thing and not laugh once. Which is apparently what audiences at the time did. It just baffled the heck out of them. But as the years go by I think it gets better and better, plus it's got a droll and wacky score by Ken Thorne. (And if you're wondering why it's called THE BEDSITTING ROOM, it's because one of the irradiated survivors of a nuclear war mutates into ... a bedsitting room.)

    Can I sneak in a movie that I loved but that others just ... ignored? Does that count?

    LEAVING NORMAL. A wonderful little road movie with charming performances, a quirky script, characters I cared about, and an overall it's-good-to-be-human feel. Overshadowed and compared unfavourably to Thelma & Louise, but apart from the fact it features two women in a car, you can't really compare them. I liked T & L but I thought Leaving Normal was much more substantial. I can't think where Meg Tilly and Christine Lahti have ever been better. Apparently the studio just threw the movie away, so nobody went to see it. I caught it on video, where it perhaps plays better - it's a quiet, intimate film. Written by Ed Solomon (Men In Black!) and directed by Ed Zwick.

    Here endeth the commercial.


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    posted 01-03-2001 08:05 PM PT (US)     

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    T H E I L L U S T R A T E D M A N !

    And Magic: I really loved that when I saw it, in fact I even kept it on video, taped straight from the TV. Then it got stolen.

    I notice that those two films, and the ones I mentioned in earlier posts, are all things I saw as a teenager and which made a huge impression on me. They really hit a mid-to-late-teenage nerve, more so than things like Star Wars did.

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    posted 01-11-2001 01:57 PM PT (US)     

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    LEAVING NORMAL is indeed a fine little film. Christine Lahti is spectacular in it, though she gave equally as fine a performance in the earlier, even better but similarly underrated HOUSEKEEPING.

    I think WOLFEN could have, SHOULD have been a masterpiece, but the movie it happens to be, is very impressive. Particular kudos to cinematographer Gerry Fisher, who later did such wonderful work on the first HIGHLANDER. Also sports one of James Horner's best early scores, and a creepy performance by the not-yet-famous Edward James Olmos. (The whole cast is good -- Albert Finney, for God's sake! -- but the unknown Olmos particularly stuck out.)

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    posted 01-15-2001 12:08 AM PT (US)     

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    Men At Work
    Oscar
    Hudson Hawk
    Ford Fairlane
    Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey
    Tango and Cash
    Waterworld
    Judge Dredd
    Johnny Mnemonic
    Navy Seals

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    posted 01-15-2001 03:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Oscar was great, with a wonderful Elmer Bernstein score based on variations of Rossini's Barber of Seville. The score CD is still included in those mini-catalogues which can often be found in Varese's CD cases, so I hope it's still in print.

    NP: Dogma (Howard Shore)

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    posted 01-15-2001 04:01 PM PT (US)     

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    Hey Good thread. I find that a lot of the movies I really enjoy wouldn't be given the time of day by my friends and family.

    Tim Burton's "Ed Wood" and "Mars Attacks"

    "Beyond the Poseidon Adventure"

    "Rollercoaster"

    "Wolf" (Jack Nicholson and Michelle Pfeiffer...great Ennio Morricone score too!!)


    "The Mechanic" (Charles Bronson..Michael Winner film)

    "Darkman" "Evil Dead I & II"...from the master of comic-book style...Sam Raimi!

    "Zombies Dawn of the Dead" (George Romero classic!!)

    A load of "Hammer" movies ( yes even "Lust for a Vampire"....STRANGE LOVE!!!

    Horror of Frankenstein
    (which is now conveniently reviewed as a "comedy" as opposed to a hilarious failure of a horror film...."building a body by numbers" ) I think Ralph Bates (God rest his soul) bought those bodies from a "Make a monster DIY shop".

    "Dr. Jekyl and Sister Hyde"
    Worth the money alone just to see that hairy hand groping Martine Beswick's breast !

    Vampire Circus
    Dave Prowse, again, this time a "music-box carrying muscle man". Listen to the hilarious Ooohs and Aaghs of the Circus crowd. They sounded really enthralled didn't they?? "What times the next horse and cart home Edna?"

    One Million Years B.C.
    Great effects by Harryhausen but just what does "Akeettah" mean? By my estimations it means "Hello", "Goodbye" "This way" "Come here" "Look at the big bright object in the sky" "Cor, thats a big creature isn't it?" "Leave my partner alone beardy" and even "Look at the JUGS on that gorgeous blonde woman wearing the designer bikini!!"

    The Bride
    Pretty wooden acting by Sting but Jennifer Beales looks gorgeous and Clancy Brown gives a moving interpretation of "The Monster"...an underrated movie in my opinion!

    The Swimmer (Burt Lancaster)
    I love this movie but have yet to meet anyone whose even heard of it, let alone seen it!

    Any Sci-Fi B-Movies from the 50's.

    "Tremors"...Great film but none of my circle like it.

    Any Woody Allen movie.

    "Tin Cup" and "Waterworld"
    Everyone seems to hate these Costner movies...personally I think they're great!!

    "Lost in Space"

    "The Phantom Menace"

    "The Fury" (also, like many others here)
    I saw an interview with Kirk Douglas and British critic Mark Cousins? and both of them agreed that it was the worst movie he'd been in. Why? I think its great! Great score by Williams too. Why does every film ever made have to make a "political" comment or have a "morale" etc etc. Cant they just be silly, stylish and damn good fun? Snuggle down late at night to watch "The Fury" and its great fun!! Quite a few Brian De-Palma movies seem to fall into this category...another one I like is "Blowout" with John Travolta...a remake of "Blowup".

    Any "Carry On" movie. You either Love them or hate them....I love them!!!

    Cant think of any more!! Gae


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    posted 01-16-2001 02:54 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Gae:
    Quite a few Brian De-Palma movies seem to fall into this category...another one I like is "Blowout" with John Travolta...a remake of "Blowup".

    Now this is another movie that'd deserve a good DVD treatment with remastered sound - considering the subject matter.

    NP: Anton Bruckner: Te Deum (Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, Eugen Jochum)

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    posted 01-16-2001 03:57 PM PT (US)     

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    Gae, I love One Million Years BC and The Swimmer too.

    One Million Years BC totally blew my fragile seven-year old mind and I've never been the same since. And I hold Raquel Welch personally responsible for every crush I've ever had on a blonde female.

    The Swimmer ... ah, God ... don't you just find yourself wishing one of the many women Lancaster meets would drive by at the end and say, "C'mon, get in the car..."? I mean, I KNOW how the movie ends, but every time I see it I keep hoping someone will take pity on the poor guy. What a profoundly heartbreaking ending. Gives me shivers just thinking about it.

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    posted 01-16-2001 03:59 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm just listing films that people I know from my local area loathed and I liked...

    -Magnolia (my all time favourite)
    -American Beauty (2nd all time favourite)
    -The Thin Red Line
    -Fight Club
    -Eyes Wide Shut

    Yes, the people of my area are hoboes and frankly, stupid.

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    posted 01-17-2001 02:37 AM PT (US)     

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    Stephen, Have you heard Marvin Hamlisch's score to "The Swimmer"? I've got it on Lp. It was his first score for a major movie I think and in my opinion its the best thing he's ever done. Lovely haunting melody which crops up in various guises depending on the emotional context of the narrative.
    There's something about "The Swimmer" that really haunts me because I can also relate to it. Here's a guy (Lancaster) whose a free spirit with a romantic heart and colourful imagination, at odds with the world and a failure in life (something we only find out in the suprise "denoument"). But the beauty of the film is that Lancaster is actually the "tragic" hero in retrospect and it is the rest of the world that is cold, cynical, uncaring and materialistic. Time and again Lancaster meets his "old friends" along his "odyssey" and we gradually build up a picture of his past. As he gets closer to home we realise more and more that Lancaster's imaginative flights of fancy and romanticising are actually due to a loss of his grip on reality. We slowly get more and more clues that something is up and the final realization that he has lost his marbles is deeply moving and dramatic. He speaks to one of his lady friends about their "romantic" experiences together, which we believe has been recent, but then find out that this happened years ago. Another couple, who lancaster speaks to as though they were regular friends, react "But we have'nt seen you in years and now you ask us for money?"...all to the suprise of Lancaster such is his tentative grasp on reality. He wont admit to himself who he is. He doesn't want to be like everyone else, he is different, a free spirit, a romantic wandering minstrel...unfortunately, he's also seen by everyone else as a nutter!! But, after all, reality is only what society and the masses deem to be an acceptable way to exist and move in life ...one view of a way of living in the world. The materialistic and dissillusioned view of the world displayed by all the people Lancaster meets along the trip is shown as an extension of the life-style, with all its failings and shortcomings,that Lancaster is refusing to accept as also his own. The complex interplay in and out of what is real and what is not in the film makes the Swimmer truly fascinating and the finale deeply moving, helped considerably by Hamlisch's wonderful theme which by now has developed into an agonising "March Funerale" as Lancaster limps into the derelict remains of what was once his family home. Great movie...really underrated!! Gae

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    posted 01-17-2001 03:53 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm not sure that "Blow Out" or "The Fury" qualify, since I've never met anyone who dislikes them. The De Palma film that everyone seems to have hated, that I love, is "Mission To Mars". Then again, I can't think of another film that takes place in outer space that I liked. Others on my list are:

    Beyond the Valley of the Dolls
    Female Trouble
    The Mummy (this was a big hit, yet everyone I know hated it. It was my favorite film of the 90s)
    Exorcist III
    Valley of the Dolls
    Godzilla vs The Thing
    Suspiria
    Halloween 3
    Snake Eyes
    Star!

    At least another hundred.



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    posted 01-19-2001 06:56 PM PT (US)     

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    FROGS!

    The Frogs ... are coming.

    Oh, man!



    For the record, I don't love FROGS, I just find it irresistibly hilarious! And I'm in no state of mind to explain why ... maybe later if I'm pressed.

    In the meantime, watch your windows ...

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    posted 01-22-2001 01:54 PM PT (US)     

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    All the ones by Oliver Stone, Steven Spielberg, Paul Verhoeven, Walter Hill, John Milius, David Lynch, and Brian DePalma up to Casualties of War, and anybody else who can make a real film instead of that myopic psuedo intellect gibberish which critics wet themselves over these days.

    These, I just like cuz I can:

    Cleopatra

    The Two Jakes

    Revolution
    Greystoke
    Lost Angels

    Barry Lyndon
    Eyes Wide Shut

    Reds
    Dick Tracy

    The Challenge
    52 Pick-Up

    The 13th Warrior
    Link
    Deep Rising
    The Mummy
    Legend


    Psycho 1998

    The Doom Generation
    Nowhere
    Totally F***ed Up

    Point Break
    Babe Pig in the City
    Under the Volcano
    Bram Stoker's Dracula
    Rosewood
    Shaft 2000
    Alien 3
    Malcolm X
    He Got Game
    They Live
    Michael Collins (rips the shite outta Braveheart, eh?)
    Interview w/the Vampire
    Butcher Boy
    Danny Boy
    Braveheart (deserved that direction oscar)
    Easy Money
    Ladybugs
    Back to School

    Crime Story (Che Kirk Wong)
    The Big Hit (Che Kirk Wong again)

    Warriors of Virtue (Ronnie Yu)
    Bride of Chucky (Ronnie Yu)

    Chainsaw II (the Gone with the Wind of our time!)


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    posted 01-24-2001 12:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Rang, your Frogs post reminds me of another great/terrible (well I thought it was great) film: BUG! That was the one with Bradford Dillman (great performance) as a scientist trying to find out why intelligent firestarting cockroaches appear after an earthquake. The bugs formed themselves on his bedroom wall, spelling out "We live" or something terribly scary at a key moment!

    Produced by that great showman William Castle, and directed by the underrated Jeannot Szwarc (he of Somewhere In Time: good; Jaws 2: good first half; and Supergirl:...bad?), this was one of the gems in my straight-from-TV video collection until it got stolen.

    Interesting electronic doodlings from Charles Fox too, a composer normally noted for his tunefuleness, so a bit of a departure for him.

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    posted 01-24-2001 01:54 PM PT (US)     

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    I don't know how hated this movie was but I really liked 'Hook'. The movie score was amazing.

    I also liked 'Romey and Michelle's High School Reunion' and 'A life less Oridinary' (even though the ending was pretty stupid).

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    posted 01-24-2001 09:29 PM PT (US)     

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    Graham, BUG sounds like a winner! Great description: "firestarting cockroaches!"

    What I loved about FROGS was the Frogs' "General" status. All the other animals were obedient soldiers attacking the enemy. Nature getting back at the evil humans! (I think Sam Elliot raises that idea briefly in the film; the trailer certainly does.) It's just dumb, harmless fun.


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    posted 01-25-2001 10:58 AM PT (US)     

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    Been waiting for a chance to vent about these...

    Full Metal Jacket

    Eyes Wide Shut

    Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

    Satyricon

    Mekagojira no Gyakushu

    Piranha

    Roma

    Return of the Jedi

    Zebrahead

    The Doors

    The Russia House

    The Abyss

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