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    Topic:   Smart Movie Heroes!

     joan hue
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    COOL HAND LUKE and ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S
    NEST

    A remarkable similarity exists between the two heroes of these movies,
    Luke and Randall McMurphy. (Recommend Kesey’s distinguished
    novel of ONE FLEW..for more development of characters and
    themes.) Both men are strong in persistence and stamina which they
    need to fight the corrupt “establishment or system.” McMurphy
    battles Nurse Ratched for the patients’ dignity and rights. She and
    the mental institution are graphic symbols of conformity for the
    establishment. (The novel often compares the institution to a
    threshing machine that tosses out the chaff or pieces that just don’t
    fit. The mental institution takes the chaff and through drugs, shame,
    electrical current, and surgery send nice, normal zombies back into society.)
    McMurphy’s rugged individuality clashes with a system that eventually
    beats him.

    “Good ole’ Luke” just won’t conform to the prison’s rules and constantly
    escapes. Beat him, he rises. Beat him again, he rises again.

    In both movies, the patients and prisoners attach themselves to
    these heroes and gain sustenance and strength from their heroics..
    as long as both continue to fight.

    When McMurphy realizes that the men can voluntarily leave, but
    that he may be forced to stay if he keeps up the “good war,” he conforms.
    The men lose faith and turn away. When Luke is brutally beaten,
    hugs “bossman” and says he’ll be good, the men won’t even help him
    into his bunk. “Where are you now?” he cried.

    Both are in a sense Christ figures. One would have to be blind to miss
    all of the crosses and crucifixion imagery in Luke. Even the last scene
    has telephone pole crosses and a cross highway. Both men
    fight one last solid battle and are in a sense crucified, but their
    death resurrects the faith and (in Cuckoo’s Nest) the combative spirit and
    dignity of the men. (Luke is even betrayed by his closest disciple.)

    While I admire the heroics of both men, I’ve often been bothered by
    the weaknesses of their disciples. In a sense the men are
    parasitic. They are like parasites feeding off the STRENGTHS of
    both men. In times of my own personal darkness and loss of faith, I
    sometimes wonder if this is why people cling to religion. It is a personal
    struggle with me, so I enjoy movies and literature that deal with
    this notion of man as parasite needing something stronger to cling to.

    Let’s get serious now. What is really neat about the movies
    is the bloodhound sneezing, Nitzsche and Schifrin scores,
    eating endless eggs, and mostly
    Newman with shirt off, grinning, and flashing his blue eyes.

    NP Nothing. Cold shower thinking of Paul

    [Message edited by joan hue on 09-27-2000]

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    posted 09-27-2000 11:09 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    The Christ symbolism in both films is COMPLETED by the weakness and cowardice of the disciples.
    Look at the mangy 12 that hung with Jesus. They scattered and hid themselves when He was apprehended by the authorities.

    The only followers who had the intestinal fortitude to go to the tomb were the women!


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    posted 09-28-2000 06:15 AM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    Interesting point, Chris.

    McMurphy also takes his 12 disciples on the water. (ocean fishing trip.)

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    posted 09-28-2000 08:36 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    It's AMAZING how much Jesus (I prefer to be more specific; Satanists use the Greek word "Christ" for their god!) symbolism exists in the cinema. It's all over the place!
    James Dean in Giant, with his arms stretched out behind his back, his wrists curled around a rifle, appears to be "crucified". He later commented that he was proud to have created that "Jesus Christ" moment in the film.
    Charlton Heston, dying in a pool of his own BLOOD in The Omega Man (even the film's title suggests Jesus, "the Alpha and the Omega"!), also hangs from a "cross" of modern art sculpture. Crucified again.
    Marlon Brando reminds us in Superman: The Movie that he has sent his "only son" to the Earth. He possesses supernatural powers, and uses them to do good works. Superman is never crucified, but only because no one has yet carved a cross out of Kryptonite!...DEVELOPING!...
    E.T. features an abundance of Jesus symbolism from start to finish...so much so that a woman in my church stood up during a service to denounce the film! She was highly offended by it!

    Poor lady...she didn't get it at all.
    Imitation is one of the greatest forms of flattery, and perhaps even a sign of true respect!


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    posted 09-28-2000 09:40 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    ...I didn't mean to alter this thread's course from Smart Movie Heroes to Biblically Symbolic Heroes, and so I shall now endeavor to turn away by submitting (OH! That word!) a profile of one of the BRAVEST, SMARTEST heroes ever to grace the Silver Screen:

    Utilizing NO Biblical imagery whatsoever, Ellen Ripley (as portrayed by Sigourney Weaver in the Alien films) effectively demonstrates the force of intellect and sheer courage in defeating an enemy of truly supernatural power. Ripley's instinct for survival is indeed sharp, but sharper still is her innate need to totally conquer that which threatens her "family" (the men all being toast!). Ripley IS the "Ultimate Mother", and she ultimately confronts the Alien's own "Ultimate Mother" in a battle to the death!

    Thankfully, Ripley prevails!


    NP: Breakheart Pass Goldsmith

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    posted 09-28-2000 10:21 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    The person who can really talk about ALIEN and its sequels is
    JoeInSanDiego. He once published on a board a sagacious,
    insightful analysis of the “Aliens” movies. (Come on over, Joe.)

    I remember how stunned I was (and terrified) the first time I
    saw ALIEN. I presumed, like all previous “hero” flicks I’d viewed,
    that the captain was the archetypal hero. I assumed
    the creature would pick off each crew member one by one
    (in order of least importance to most, naturally) until only the captain
    and one of the females (his romantic interest) was left. I was
    absolutely SHOCKED when he was the second one chosen
    for the alien’s snack. (or cocoon.) I kept wondering, “Well,
    who the heck is the real hero around here?” I never expected
    Sigourney Weaver to emerge as super heroine. She was
    smart, gutsy, and could sling a mean gun. Since then, other women
    have been portrayed in those tough, heroic roles, but I can’t remember
    if Ripley was the prototype of this type of female hero. (??)

    I hated the fourth Alien movie, but I still want a fifth, when the creatures invade earth.

    Ripley to the rescue!!

    NP Cinema Century Classics

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    posted 09-29-2000 10:49 PM PT (US)     

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    James Cameron has created a few memorably srong and intelligent film heroines. Sarah Conner (the Terminator films), Rose DeWitt Bukater (Titanic), and Ellen Ripley (Cameron's Aliens script beautifully expands and enlarges upon the Ripley character that was presented in the first film), are NOT the kind of women who faint at the sight of a monster, or trip and fall while escaping. These are REAL WOMEN, with guts and brains to spare. What I don't quite understand is how Cameron can so admire such women, and yet so badly mistreat the women in his personal life. A study in contrasts?

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    posted 09-30-2000 08:49 AM PT (US)     

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    Andy Dufresne is innocently convicted of the murder of his wife and her tennis pro lover in The Shawshank Redemption, and is sentenced to life in prison.
    But Andy is not only one of the cinema's SMARTEST heroes, he's absolutely the most patient...he washes prison laundry, carves chess pieces out of prison yard stones, performs CPA services for the warden and his guards, and builds a library; he spends two decades awaiting the "redemption" promised him in the title.

    But it proved to be worth the wait!

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    posted 09-30-2000 09:14 PM PT (US)     

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    Joan, both great movies. In fact, I like all the H movies that Newman was in back then: Harper, Hombre, Hud and so on. All great films. Best, John.

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    posted 09-30-2000 10:14 PM PT (US)     

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    Christopher: thinking of Heston's death in THE OMEGA MAN: he ALSO dies bloodily while setting off the Alpha/OMEGA bomb at the conclusion of BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES! Nice little dovetail, I think.

    Mom: I wrote a contribution for the Smart Movies series yesterday, but the computer ate it. You know how heavy-hearted I get when that happens. I'll take another stab at it, perhaps today.

    NP: ANGELA'S ASHES (by that other guy)

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    posted 10-01-2000 05:59 AM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    H'ness, you've got to name your computer Seymore and start feeding it at regular intervals.

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    posted 10-01-2000 12:04 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    That would be Audrey 2.
    And speaking of Little Shop Of Horrors, who would we name as the hero of THAT one?
    Seymour or Audrey?

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    posted 10-01-2000 06:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Tough one, Mr. K ... (and Mom, I TRY to feed the computer, but it's as ornery as this damn iguana we're boarding ...)

    I've said before that I don't like musicals, and maybe have mentioned I'm not fond of live stage shows either, but on my 18th birthday I DID see the off-Broadway original production of "Little Shop of Horrors," and it was cool beyond words.

    Audrey 2: "Does this look IN-ANIMATE to you??!?"

    The "Dentist" song was also a showstopper.

    LITTLE SHOP is the only Ashman/Menken collaboration that I unabashedly adore. Strangely, though, I've never seen the feature film of the musical (script by Howard Ashman.) Remember how the writer of the original film, Charles B. Griffith, had to sue the producers of the musical to get acknowledged for having, um, CREATED the concept?

    NP: roomie has the Psychedelic Furs on ... oh, they just stopped. Now maybe I can force him to listen to THE BLUE MAX. We'll see.

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    posted 10-02-2000 12:28 PM PT (US)     

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    Audrey II's voice is just too deep to be an Audrey. Should see the movie, H'ness. It does change the ending of the stage show.

    Can't you feed your computer the iguana?

    Best song: Skid Row

    Hero? How about the dentist?

    NP Guess I'll pop in Little Shop CD

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    posted 10-02-2000 02:01 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    Joan, I thought you would've known that you can't feed anything live to a computer...they only eat CHIPS!.

    BaDumpBump.

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    posted 10-02-2000 02:32 PM PT (US)     
     

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