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Topic: Can Anybody Guess What HOLLOW MAN and SPACE COWBOYS Have In Common???

Chris Kinsinger

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I can't wait to see both of these movies!Watching the trailers, I realized that they share something in common, and that makes me even more excited to see them both!
It takes us back to Hitchcock, as well as the days of "Camelot"...
What the heck am I talking about?

posted 07-31-2000 09:00 PM PT (US) 
SBD
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It's William Devane!
posted 08-01-2000 06:42 AM PT (US) 
Todd Reifinger
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Chris, back in the days of our discussion of "Starship Troopers" at FSM, you said you'd NEVER watch another Verhoeven film! I'm very curious as to what you'll think of "Hollow Man" once you've seen it. Please let us know!
posted 08-01-2000 07:16 AM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Correct, SBD! I miss William Devane, and it'll be good to see him back on the big screen once again. His evil laugh lit up Family Plot, and I've wondered where he's been hiding.Todd, I am indeed quite impressed with your memory! You must be a formidable teacher! I have a problem with the violence quotient in some of Verhoeven's movies. I loved RoboCop, but the gore went way over the top in my opinion. I really don't need to see blood squirting like a garden hose. Maybe it's because I had an Exacto knife plunged into a vein in my forearm years ago, and I stood there helplessly watching my own lifeblood squirting away like a garden hose...anyway, I cringe when Verhoeven shows it. I haven't seen one of his movies in the theatre since Total Recall, which I felt was an affront to filmgoers. Had I not been the guest of a friend, I'd have walked out of the theatre about halfway through it.
I'll be seeing Space Cowboys this weekend, and then carefully reading everybody's reviews of Hollow Man before making a decision about it.posted 08-01-2000 08:51 AM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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Yes, he's a fine actor. I thought of it as soon as I saw your question. Two of my favorites with him are:Red Alert-late 70's TV film
and
Jane Doe another TV film great in both.Best, John.
posted 08-01-2000 06:53 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Nobody's going to mention the seminal Devane performance in BAD NEWS BEARS IN BREAKING TRAINING? Following up on Walter Matthau, poor old Bill had some pretty damn big britches to fill!NP: QB VII (I demand an expanded version! NOW!!!!!)
posted 08-01-2000 07:28 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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I thought he was pretty good in the Tv Remake of "From Here to Eternity".
posted 08-01-2000 11:06 PM PT (US) 
Marc Flake

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Is it true he and Richard (The Teeth) Egan have the same dentist?Marc
posted 08-02-2000 11:37 AM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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That's true, Marc...they were both referred to him by James Coburn.
posted 08-02-2000 07:34 PM PT (US) 
logied

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12:00 on Friday, HOLLOW MAN, 10.00 AM on
Sunday, SPACE COWBOYS. Stadium seating and
they blast the multi-channel sounds till my
seat (it reclines) vibrates. I may even like
movies again after this weekend. Space Cowboys is going to bring back some memories.
I was on one of the pickup ships for the
1st American in space (Alan Shepard) and my
name sits on the moon engraved on parts made
for the 1st moon lander. Gosh, I feel a little weepy.
posted 08-03-2000 04:34 AM PT (US) 
John Maher

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Devane has always been a favorite of mine, too. Not sure he's been hiding. After doing Knotts Landing for about 10 of its 14 years, he did a televison film, here and there. I'm looking forward to seeing both films as well.
posted 08-03-2000 08:00 AM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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logied, that's damned impressive!
You participated in building the first moon lander!WOW, man!
WOW indeed!
I'm...speechless!
posted 08-03-2000 09:21 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I found that so startling on first reading, I didn't know what to say. I guess I still don't. Wowser.
posted 08-03-2000 10:51 PM PT (US) 
Lorien
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First, Logied, I ditto the above. Hats off to you, sir.
Mr. Kinsinger, regarding Hollow Man, don't worry about missing anything. It's probably a more respectable effort than his last two movies, which only says that it's better crap (sorry). It'll probably get some positive reviews - as a "guilty pleasure", and I have to say it may merit them.Someone has said that Mr. Verhoven makes expensive B-movies, and they're quite right. People who go in knowing what kinds of movies to expect from him may enjoy the film as an Enjoyable Bad Movie. Verhoven was smart enough to know that he wasn't going to win anyone over with his dialogue, so he's made sure that
1 - It's paced very quickly. No time is wasted moving the plot.
2 - Very rarely is there not some interesting effect on the screen, so the eye-candy factor is there.
When violence occurs, it's Verhoven-business-as-usual, but it's not as predominant in this plot, as there are only a few people to kill. I have a friend, a film critic, who spoke with Verhoven back when Starship Troopers was first released. He asked him things like "Are you . . . absolutely SURE . . . that you didn't intend this to be funny?" and Verhoven denied it, saying that it was a serious statement about fascism (save the Robocop-esque commercials, of course).
When he interviewed him again for this one, he asked Verhoven to defend that in light of his change of story about a week after Troopers' release. Verhoven capitulated, then went off on his own about some things, and ended up telling of his childhood in occupied ... (Holland?) ... during WWII, and some childhood experiences he had with encountering death closely, personally, on a mass scale. My friend said that it was a glimpse into what might be behind his neuroses, all of which play out in this film, as they have in his others.
This friend and I disagreed about one aspect of the film, that Kevin Bacon's character is already dislikable from the outset. He thought that there should have been some sympathetic moments in the film, invisible man out in the cold rain, naked. I told him that while that might be interesting, I didn;t think Verhoven could actually handle something like that. His most well-developed and sympathetic character is Robocop, which says something. While I didn't like disliking almost everyone on the screen, I did think that Bacon's arrogance made his leap to evil a smaller jump, something Verhoven would be capable of pulling off. He amlost does too.
Do I recommend this movie? Not for you, Chris. It's dumber than Total Recall and while it contains less violence in quantity, it has the same . . . "quality". So less negative, but less positive as well. For others? If you can like a dumb B-movie, say if you were able to enjoy The Mummy, camp and all, then give it a shot, I guess. The elevator scene is a pretty good finale on screen. It won't go down in history, but it is pretty spectacular. And the music does work well, and it's nice to hear.
My friends and I all had the same reaction Monday, "Well, that wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be." It's filled with the usual assumptions, power not only corrupts, but it does so immediately; wounds don't matter after 5 minutes; being evil gives one the strength of 10 men... you know, those. If you can deal with that, you might not mind the time spent.
So there you go.
Frankly, anything that busies Verhoven and keeps him away from theology is worth his doing in my book.posted 08-04-2000 02:23 AM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Thank you, Lorien!
I appreciate your review.
I really hold Total Recall against Verhoeven because he squandered such a great idea. It might have been a real classic, except for his inept handling.
posted 08-04-2000 07:27 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
