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    Topic:   Science Fiction Film trivia

     John C Winfrey
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    Reference the 1950's science fiction film Gog: for those who have seen or remember it, what is the story about? What good character actor of the '50s and '60s starred in it? Best, John.

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    posted 07-29-2000 11:26 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Never saw GOG. But I'll counter with another question: What do the AMERICAN versions of the Japanese monster pictures VARAN THE UNBELIEVABLE (US release 1962) and KING KONG VS. GODZILLA (US release 1963) have in common? Hint: a future Oscar winner worked on both of them, in the same capacity. Not an actor. (I know this is insanely esoteric, but I love this little tidbit. You can find this guy's name in the phone book, ya know. *I* know, I've talked to him.)

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    posted 07-30-2000 03:24 AM PT (US)     

     Todd Reifinger
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    I have never seen "Varan the Unbelievable." However, I had a friend who attempted to explain the title to me. Upon picking up the video box, he pointed to the monster on the cover and said, "Look, he's holding a tree! That's UNBELIEVABLE!"

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    posted 07-30-2000 07:24 AM PT (US)     

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    that's cute ... The original DAIKAIJU BARAN is one of the least distinguished of all Japanese monster movies (though not as plain old BAD as some of the later ones), but the American VARAN managed to make matters considerably worse. It was originally commissioned by ABC-TV, and it's obvious from watching the original cut that the filmmakers never expected it to be shown in Japan, or even in its original form -- they simply made a kind of "blueprint," as completely ordinary a monster movie as possible, which they figured would be cut up and interspersed with new American-shot footage, as happened with the same team's significantly more ambitious GODZILLA. They didn't even shoot the whole thing in scope format, since it was believed to be just for an American television sale. Then, partway through, the studio suits decided they might as well go for a domestic release, and ordered the filmmakers to switch to scope format. This meant that the stuff already filmed had to be cropped in order to match the new footage. The picture has a very cramped, neurotic look to it as a result. For all their trouble, very little of BARAN was finally used by ABC; they even cut out the film's best special effect moment, the shots of Baran in flight, a decision I still find unfathomable, that's pretty much the only interesting thing Baran does in the whole movie.

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    posted 07-30-2000 01:05 PM PT (US)     

     Todd Reifinger
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    Ah, but have you seen "Zeram"? When I worked in a West Coast Video a few years ago, I was always on the lookout for PG-rated campfests that I could put on store play to shock the living daylights out of our more conservative customers. "Zeram" always fit the bill, as did "Warriors of the Wasteland" and "Dracula vs. Frankenstein."

    [This message has been edited by Todd Reifinger (edited 30 July 2000).]

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    posted 07-30-2000 01:23 PM PT (US)     

     Gae
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    John, I've never seen Gog but are you talking about Richard Egan or Herbert Marshall? I'm not really sure who would qualify as a good character actor there....Marshall probably! Story...scientists working on a space station taken over by a computer (shot in 3D)...sounds like fun and a forerunner of 2001 doesn't it. HRocco, the link between the two movies is the Director...Inoshiro Honda! I dont know what he won an Oscar for later though. Gae

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    posted 07-30-2000 01:54 PM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    Gae, it is a hokey film. Very bad. The actors aren't too bad though. Good job.

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    posted 07-30-2000 02:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh man, I don't know how to answer this without looking arrogant on several fronts ... but facts are facts.

    Mr. R, I HATED ZEIRAM (I *thought* that's how it was spelled here, but you might be right.) No accounting for taste, but when I DID see it, I couldn't at all understand how it had become a cult item. I understand a little bit better why TETSUO THE IRON MAN has done the same thing, it's very stylish, but also, I felt, very empty. As for DRACULA VS. FRANKENSTEIN, I haven't seen that one in a million years. Someday I will get back to it, but ... Poor old J. Carroll Naish in his wheelchair, and Lon Chaney Jr. reduced to acting like a lunatic in a cage, this was as bad if not worse than Lugosi's posthumous appearance in PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE. I haven't seen WARRIORS OF THE WASTELAND, what's it got to recommend it? Is it particularly nuts? Please advise!

    Gae: Ishiro Honda (not "Inoshiro" Honda, although the way the Japanese language reads, many Japanese make the same mistake) did indeed direct both the original BARAN and KING KONG VS. GODZILLA, but he is NOT the unifying person I was mentioning. Nobody's going to get this, it wasn't really a fair question, I suppose. I'll just explain:

    BARAN was released in Japan in October 1958; ABC-TV sat on it until 1962. They assigned a young German (Austrian? not sure) named Peter Zinner to do the music editing. He took nearly the entire Akira Ifukube score off the soundtrack, and replaced all the sound effects. He was not responsible, to my knowledge, for the general reediting of the picture. Then, a year or so later, he was given by Universal the job of both reediting AND music-editing KING KONG VS. GODZILLA. He did a competent job with this, and had better music to replace Ifukube's score with than he had had on VARAN.

    On both VARAN and KING KONG VS. GODZILLA, he allowed Ifukube's tribal-march chant cues to remain in the film. This interests me still. I guess he couldn't find anything suitable in the various libraries to replace them. (Since BARAN and KING KONG VS. GODZILLA are two of Ifukube's VERY BEST scores, they should have been left intact, but this was probably not up to Zinner.)

    It's not like Zinner has bad taste in music; on the one film he directed, THE SALAMANDER (completed in 1981 or 1982, but unreleased until May or June of 1983), he zeroed in on Jerry Goldsmith to score the picture, and Goldsmith did a big, rich, wonderful piece of work for it (Prometheus, where are you?)

    Anyway, Zinner won his Oscar for the film editing of THE DEER HUNTER; the Russian Roulette sequence is rightly regarded as one of the best-edited in the history of cinema (and it must have been more Zinner's work than director Michael Cimino's, especially if you look at Cimino's subsequent Zinnerless work.) Zinner also cut the first GODFATHER, and a host of others, including, most recently, the 1992 GLADIATOR (which reunited him with Goldsmith, although that score got thrown out.)

    One last thought about the grossly underrated Ishiro Honda: he certainly never received an Oscar nomination, but he DID appear on the Oscars once, by satellite: when Kurosawa was honored by the Academy for his body of work, he was also surprised by a congratulatory video from the cast and crew of his latest picture. Honda, his oldest and best friend, led the salute.

    Kurosawa also received Oscar nominations for Best Foreign Language Film (THE SHADOW WARRIOR, 1980) and Best Director (CHAOS, 1985, released here under its Japanese title RAN.) Honda ghostwrote and ghostdirected parts of those films, but not nearly to the degree he would do the same on Kurosawa's final three pictures, DREAMS, RHAPSODY IN AUGUST, and NOT YET. Honda's fingerprints are all over these three, and I've always wondered precisely WHY he chose to hide his involvement (usually behind a rotating series of vague credits like "Creative Consultant.") Even his widow does not understand why he felt this way. But it's an open secret in the Japanese film world, especially among those who worked with both (this would be almost everyone, their industry is far smaller and less various than ours.)

    Anybody remember CRACK IN THE WORLD? I saw it when I was VERY young (six? eight?) and was fascinated, but I've never seen it again. The main part I remember was where the heroes are riding in a jeep, following a train, I think, screaming "The crack! You're heading for the crack!"

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    posted 07-30-2000 04:45 PM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    Crack in the World. I have seen that thing about a dozen times. They used to run it on Science Fiction Theater twice a year. Dana Andrews and his arm. Dropping nukes into a volcano, A new moon. Man they don't make cheesy sci-fi like that anymore.

    BTW, an incredible driving theme that I remember to this day. I would love to get this on CD!

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    posted 07-30-2000 07:04 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    I LOVE Crack In The World! Somebody oughta remake that one!

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    posted 07-30-2000 08:50 PM PT (US)     

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    Perhaps I have not made myself clear, Mr. Rocco! You in no way sound arrogant in your comments about "Zeram," because "Zeram" is a piece of ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. When I wrote that I enjoyed putting campy movies on store play for the "benefit" of video-store customers, what I meant was that I thoroughly enjoy the following:

    THE "ZERAM" VIDEO-STORE EXPERIENCE: AN EXAMPLE

    Zeram gives birth to some kind of green goo-monster, which is apparently retarded, and Zeram promptly squashes the little kiddo with his foot. Good cinema? No. Downright hilarious? Yes! So, ol' Todd Reifinger and his video-store cohorts start laughing hysterically from behind the counter.

    However (and here's the funny part)...

    Standing near the monitor is some middle-aged conservative type who can't find humor in anything beyond "I Love Lucy" reruns, and who immediately gives the whole lot of us a scathing look that can only be interpreted as, "Are you nuts actually getting a kick out of this nonsense?" Sometimes the customer will even try to reason with us on his way out.

    Now, as for "Warriors of the Wasteland"...

    Imagine Lucio Fulci's "The New Gladiators" with even LESS of a budget. It's another post-holocaust "epic," with ridiculous costumes and gladiator-type vehicles that look like modified scooters with carboard "armor" attached to them. The vehicles also have lots of nasty spikes that are used to impale or shred victims in a variety of ways (I seem to recall a lot of decapitations). Of course, the music is abysmal, the acting is abysmal, and the bright white uniforms worn by the bad guys are just plain weird. Luckily, the violence is so cheesy and ridiculously fake that the film received a PG rating, making it a prime candidate for store play!

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    posted 07-31-2000 07:07 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    cooool ... just wait till BATTLEFIELD EARTH comes in ...

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    posted 07-31-2000 02:14 PM PT (US)     

     Gae
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    HROCCO, next time I speak to Leonard Maltin I'll correct him about his apparent mis-spellings (on both film entries) of "Mr. Honda" in his Movie Guide. OK, SO I CHEATED AND LOOKED IT UP!!! SUE ME!!
    Gae

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    posted 07-31-2000 02:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Like I said, even the Japanese make this mistake. Often, the credits in American films were taken directly from pressbooks -- or even handpainted alternate credits! -- done by the Japanese. "Inoshiro" Honda is the LOGICAL way to pronounce the name once you look at the characters involved -- his parents just chose to take the more eccentric spelling. Even my translator made this mistake! I call him "Mr. Honda" sort of reflexively, because I knew the fellow (but never well enough to go by his nickname "Ino-san," an ironic variation on how easily his name was misread -- actually, I usually called him "sensei," which has over the centuries has devolved to mean "teacher," but in its original reading actually means "scary person.")

    Funny, I first started paying attention to Leonard Maltin because he was much kinder to the Japanese stuff than his main competitor Steven Scheuer was ... a whole two-and-a-half stars for the original GODZILLA! That's a hell of an improvement over anything the late Scheuer had to say! (Although Scheuer did like Mr. Honda's HUMAN VAPOR, even as poorly reedited and rescored as that version is. It does benefit from evocative narration by James Hong, though.)

    NP: HOLOCAUST 2000 (Morricone)

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    posted 07-31-2000 04:00 PM PT (US)     

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    The very first time I ever saw Mr. Honda's name in print was in an old, OLD issue of Famous Monsters Of Filmland...and if my memory serves, they too spelled it "Inoshiro"!

    Best,
    Kris Kissinger

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    posted 07-31-2000 07:51 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Oh stop it, Khrysthypf'hir, you'll just confuse everybody!

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