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H Rocco
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Most of you don't care, but I will inflict it upon you anyway, just to spite the very bandwidth each syllable will tax it.The guys who wrote GODZILLA MILLENNIUM are now either collaborating on, or (possibly) writing dueling versions of, something called GODZILLA VS. MEGANURON. Meganuron was originally the monster insect that surprises the hell out of everyone in the original RODAN (1956). It was NEVER big enough to bother Godzilla, but I'm sure they're redesigning it. The whole concept appears to be derived from a bit of story (and budget) left out of the worst of all Godzilla movies (apart from the Tri-Star one), GODZILLA VS. SPACE GODZILLA.
This new sequel is not to be confused with the evolving Evil Twins' version of GODZILLA 2 (for Tri-Star -- full and awful news about this hideosity are occasionally available at Harry Knowles' site. I can hardly believe they're even attempting this.)
posted 04-25-2000 08:35 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Rocco, after watching Godzilla vs King Ghidorah on the Sci-Fi Channel, and really enjoying it...I couldn't help but wonder WHY these films are not more widely available in the USA as they were in the 50's, 60's & 70's.
Back then, any number of USA film distributors lined up to circulate Japanese monster movies. They were shown in movie theatres all over the nation!
I would LOVE to see a Godzilla movie on the BIG SCREEN once again!Why can't I?
posted 04-25-2000 09:29 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Ditto with Chris. (I loved the original RODAN.) I'd like to see new Japanese Godzilla movies in a big theater. Who is doing the music? Do you know, H R.? Also, do you happen to know if the Godzilla movies represent the MOST sequels in the world's cinema history? Just curious.
posted 04-25-2000 10:09 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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There's a long and weird paradox there, Christopher. There was a long gap between GOJIRA 84 (known here as GODZILLA 85) and 1989's GODZILLA VS. BIOLLANTE. Offhand, I'm not sure why. GOJIRA 84 was a mammoth boxoffice hit in Japan -- third that year only behind Kurosawa's RAN and Ichikawa's remake of his own BURMESE HARP -- and though it did little boxoffice here, it's also a multiplatinum video hit in the US -- but it took them a while to cook up BIOLLANTE.GODZILLA VS. BIOLLANTE surely has made its money back, even though it's dreadful, but Toho Studios dug its heels in and demanded all KINDS of things for the American sale -- at that time, they still could probably have managed a theatrical sale, but they also were making completely unreasonable demands as far as how much money they wanted to sell it, and how many theaters it would open in, etc. ... Finally they did reach a kind of accord with Miramax, which hadn't yet become !!!MIRAMAX!!!, and then MIRAMAX sat on the thing for YEARS.
Finally BIOLLANTE was sold off, and shown on American cable. However, this whole experience left a bit of a bad taste in the studio's collective mouth. As suspicious of American concerns as they already were, they had only become more so. Of course they would not deal with Miramax again; but as well, negotiations for the Sony/Tri-Star GODZILLA had already begun. These were not paying off either (I'm frankly amazed the movie was made at all, and not remotely surprised it sucked as hard as it did.)
This is a simplistic series of explanations, as the details are endless, but I'll throw in one more observation: Toho Studios LONG AGO forfeited any chance they ever had at maintaining some kind of healthy relationships with reputable American studios. The Sony Godzilla deal was successfully brokered only because Sony is a Japanese company, in which case the right Japanese people knew the right Japanese people. Toho frittered away potentially valuable corporate relationships with Columbia, Universal, and a number of others. By the mid-sixties, no one wanted to deal with them except for American-International and even less principled operations.
So why can't we see these in theaters? Because Toho is top-loaded with petty and inept people, who cannot understand the market at large. As well, in all sincerity, these movies would probably not get more than an art-house release ... but 1995's outstanding GAMERA: GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE *WAS* able to play here in those venues. The following GAMERA 2 didn't show up here, but GAMERA 3 played a special screening in Los Angeles.
Apart from corporate politics, why don't these movies show up on our big US screens? I hate to be the one who says it, but I'm guessing they think the market doesn't want it. (Hey, even Tarantino's rerelease of the similar Hong Kong picture MIGHTY PEKING MAN only played midnight shows.)
posted 04-25-2000 10:16 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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(Off topic from Godzilla)(Stunned expression on my mug!) Did I just read that the Burmese Harp was remade?? Same title and story?
posted 04-25-2000 10:33 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Since the advent of videotape and DVD, the overall world market for movies has grown larger and larger.
It seems to me that we here in the USA should be able to access any number of Japanese movies, either in theatres, or on home video.
I wonder if that will ever be true.I watched King Kong vs Godzilla and Godzilla vs The Thing in a movie theatre back in the 60's.
I long to do that again.posted 04-25-2000 10:36 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Joan posted her reply while I was writing my own. Re: the music for GODZILLA VS. MEGANURON: I have no idea. At this juncture, they probably won't have approached a composer -- in Japan, they like to wait till the last minute. The director is a newbie, never made a picture before (though he's been trained by the excellent Takoa Okawara, so I'm not TOO worried), and the newbies tend to want to work with Mr. Ifukube -- although the composer himself is making it sound like he doesn't want to do any more Godzillas. At the same time though, I've noticed that (as Mr. Ifukube's admitted) he'll take the jobs if he feels sufficiently flattered. (He did not feel so on GODZILLA VS. SPACE GODZILLA, but in that case, I get the feeling the director didn't genuinely want him aboard anyway. Anyone remember the bongo music on the beach, while the guy is laying traps to kill Godzilla? A stupid enough sequence in itself, but the bongos just made it worse. The director thought he wanted "reggae" music for that sequence -- Mr. Ifukube had never even HEARD of reggae, so they sent him a CD or two. Oh to have been a fly on the wall when he first listened to that and wondered "THIS is what they want for GODZILLA?")(shrug) It might be Ifukube, or, more likely, someone I never heard of, or, most likely, Takayuki Hattori, a seemingly talented fellow whose grandfather was a contemporary of Ifukube's (he scored three of Kurosawa's earliest pics), and whose credits to date include GODZILLA VS. SPACE GODZILLA, GODZILLA MILLENNIUM and THE RADIO HOUR. We could do worse, although I'd like to hear Reijiro Koroku get back to it (he did GOJIRA 84).
Joan, I don't recall if we've discussed RODAN at any length before. I find the US version quite disheartening, though the narration the King Brothers added isn't terrible, and Keye Luke's reading of those lines is earnest and believable.
posted 04-25-2000 10:40 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Rocco, would you PLEASE stop interrupting me?posted 04-25-2000 10:52 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Sorry Christopher ... in fact I stayed away from this area for a while just to make sure it evened out (I interrupted YOU? MOM interrupted ME! Oh well, Mom always liked you best anyway ... )Joan: I mentioned this at the Old Board: director Kon Ichikawa, who made our beloved original BURMESE HARP, was talked into directing a remake. I haven't seen it, evidently it's the same story, although made in color; it has NONE of the old people involved except himself and his screenwriter wife Natto Wada, but yep, he did it. Why? Something to do, is all I can figure.
I've never met Ichikawa -- he's still among us, fortunately, and inasmuch as I hope to visit Japan later in the year ... nah, that's too much to ask for ...
Christopher, they don't even issue Godzilla movies on DVD in Japan, only here, and only a few of them ... this might be an early clue as to what the thinking (or rather, lack of same) IS at that company. I have done business with them, or attempted to -- no, they didn't manage to cheat me too badly -- and believe me, I know.
I forgot to mention, Tri-Star bought the rights to all the post-1989 Godzilla movies, and (perhaps understandably) repressed them until the awful American version came out. Clever and ambitious bootleggers, however, were making their OWN *SUBTITLED* versions during the MANY years during which Toho refused to sell their new product to ANYONE. (If this sounds insane, it's because it is.)
NP: EARTH DESTRUCTION DIRECTIVE: GODZILLA VS. GIGAN (1972, whole score is made up of bits and pieces of others, Ifukube had no input, and still smarts when you mention this one -- it's a fun listen, though, a sort of Greatest Hits) (oh yes, two original songs by Kunio Miyauchi, of ULTRAMAN and GODZILLA'S REVENGE fame, both suck, I'm afraid)
posted 04-25-2000 11:13 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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"mom liked you best anyway." Hey, don't you know about the limitless, equal, infinite, boundless love of MOMS?Well, I've never seen another Burmese Harp at the video stores. I'll check, but I'm not sure I'd want to see a remake. Seems like the twin idea of Psycho. I think the use of black and white dovetailed perfectly with its messages and left things that needed to be left to one's imagination.
posted 04-25-2000 11:21 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I doubt you'll find the BURMESE HARP remake, it wasn't released here, to the best of my knowledge ... and except for sheer curiosity, I'm not sure I'd even bother.NP: still GODZILLA VS. GIGAN
posted 04-25-2000 11:32 PM PT (US) 
SEBULBA

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H Rocco,When you mentioned GODZILLA 2 for Tri Star, are you refering to a sequel to Emerich's Godzilla? And if so, who are the Evil Twins? And where is there info on this?
Thanks
posted 04-26-2000 08:20 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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The GODZILLA 2 that I mentioned is from the Evil Twins, i.e. Emmerich and Devlin. And it's a sequel to their previous fiasco, which DID make enough movie internationally to justify a followup.What little I know of it is from Harry Knowles' website:
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.comIt's been a while since they got some spy info on the picture -- something from one of the conceptual artists, as I recall, who said "I HATE what they're doing with it," and the story is so bizarre that, well you'll have to read it for yourself -- they're still in the planning stages, but at the abovementioned site, you can dig into the archives and find the whole story.
Another good up-to-the-minute, regularly updated site is called Coming Attractions:
http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/mainframed.htmlHappy hunting.
NP: THE OMEGA MAN (Ron Grainer, FSM release, all over the map stylistically, but the longer it goes on the more it's growing on me)
posted 04-26-2000 08:42 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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I didn't bother going to the theatre to see Emmerich & Devlin's Godzilla, but when I finally caught it on home vid, I actually liked it!
But it's not Godzilla.
It seems like I compare films and food quite a bit, so here's another one:
I really like Pringles, but they're not potato chips. They're CALLED potato chips, but they're not. I don't care how many potatoes it takes to make them, they are definitely NOT chips! They are mashed, mulched, processed, molded & shaped potato wafers. And so it is with Roland & Dean's Godzilla. They CALL it Godzilla, but it's really the mashed, mulched, processed, molded & shaped version.
That said, I liked it.
But they should've called it Pringzilla.
posted 04-26-2000 09:05 PM PT (US) 
John Maher

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They should have called it "The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms", which is what it was a remake of, not "Godzilla". By the way, didn't I read that "Godzillia 2000" is being released in US Theaters this summer? I thought I did.
posted 04-27-2000 06:19 AM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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I'm on the side of those who despise E&D's Godzilla just because it could never have really been the real Godzilla.
Godzilla has a certain shape and personality that has been established throughout the decades. He's got the look.
What E&D did was akin to creating a new fruit drink and calling it "Coca-Cola". They CALLED it "Godzilla" to capitalize on the international success of an established franchise.
They were wrong.
But I still like the movie. Not "love" mind you, but I do like it.
They should've called it Monster Movie, and they probably would've gotten better reviews and more ticket sales.NP: Rodan on AMC.
posted 04-28-2000 07:57 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Mr. Maher: I've HEARD that GODZILLA MILLENNIUM (also GODZILLA 2000, who knows what it'll wind up being called here) is coming out in US theaters, but I'll believe it when I see it. I don't believe it now. It's a decent enough picture, though I found it utterly bizarre that they were starting the series all over again -- just like GODZILLA 85, this one is a direct sequel to the ORIGINAL, ignoring all the pictures from the 90s.MILLENNIUM begins extremely well, then kind of tapers off into a midsection that's sometimes VERY boring, then picks up again with the final battle, although I didn't find the monster he was fighting very interesting. Additionally, there simply wasn't enough Godzilla in it (a strange recent trend: GAMERA 3, while superbly made, had very little Gamera in it. Reminds me of the second Gamera film from the 1960s series, GAMERA VS. BARUGON: there's maybe TEN minutes of Gamera footage in the whole thing, out of a 100-minute movie! Although, paradoxically, that's probably the best one from the original Gamera series. Probably didn't hurt that it's the only one of the original bunch to have been granted an A-level budget ... )
Oh yes, what little I remember about the Evil Twins' version of GODZILLA 2: part of the present story has ANOTHER Godzilla emerging, one that looks more like the Japanese design. Apparently the first one was an impostor of some kind. At present Matthew Broderick isn't being tapped to star, but they hope Jean Reno will return. (Reno stole that picture even from the lizard. I'll say that I didn't find it an awful design in itself, though I found it a bit too remniscent of the Vermithrax's babies in DRAGONSLAYER.)
The whole account is somewhere on Harry Knowles' website mentioned above (check the archives.)
[This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 28 April 2000).]
posted 04-28-2000 08:27 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Pringzilla.posted 04-28-2000 09:25 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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PRINGZILLA VS. SPRINGFIELD: defeated finally by Homer Simpson: "mmmmmmm ... crun-chy ..."
posted 04-28-2000 09:27 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I now hear Emmerich and Devlin have bailed out on GODZILLA 2, which really makes me suspect it will never be made. No loss.Surprise! GODZILLA 2000 will be released in American theaters this summer -- current release date is set for August 11. According to the New York Times, GODZILLA 2000 will be shown in Japanese with English subtitles. To which I say, "Good." This means it won't get a wide release, but they know very well it won't clean up theatrically anyway.
NP: IL MERCENARIO (Ennio Morricone, 1968 Western)
posted 04-29-2000 04:44 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Rocco, I've been teaching a weekly cartooning class for ten years, and the majority of my students have been teenage boys.
What I've learned is that there is a wide interest in Japanese Anime, which has overlapped into a curiosity and interest about everything Japanese.
(Could Pokemon be part of this trend?)I don't understand WHY the Japanese monster movies wouldn't CLEAN UP during a summer in the United States!
Heck! I'd watch 'em!
posted 04-29-2000 09:12 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I'm grateful for subtitles. Maybe this release will pull in an audience who thinks it is the "Evil Twin" sequel. Duh!Considering that I live in nuclear paradise, I doubt if it will show here. Hopefully, it will at least come as close as Seattle.
FYI Soundtrack Magazine has a list on new soundtrack releases. The following may be on interest or no interest.
Godzilla 2000 ..Hattori
Gamera-music from all three movies, including music previously unreleased.
Film Music of A. Ifukube (new recording, mostly previously unreleased material.) Heck, I've heard very little of his "released" stuff so far.
Adult Action Fil...well forget that, boys.
posted 04-29-2000 09:59 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
