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Topic: YES!! I DON'T BELIEVE!!

John C Winfrey

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I thought Kurt Russell was great in Breakdown. The Poledouris score was perfect too. But in Stargate, he was invisible. Best, John.
posted 04-20-2000 05:44 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I read today that Kevin Costner may produce and star in a .....musical. That's right, a musical. That ought to send a few of you away from theaters. (Although I've liked many of his movies, I can't quite envision him singing.)So Stud Muffin "ain't" the right answer, heh? Well, Chris, you're so sweet, it must be snookiewukums!! (How the heck is that spelled?)
posted 04-20-2000 09:50 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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I waited five days for someone to offer their definition of "Stud Muffin". Since no one has stepped up to bat, I Emailed Mr. Ruger.Joan, I'll tell a secret if YOU tell a secret...

posted 04-25-2000 08:36 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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"Snookiewukums"?Joan, according to Irving Berlin's Easter Parade it's "Snookie Ookums", NOT "Snookiewukums"!
That is a very important distinction, and I thought you needed to know about it.
[This message has been edited by Chris Kinsinger (edited 25 April 2000).]
posted 04-25-2000 08:45 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Chris, "Ook" has a harsh sound. I'll go with "wukims or wokims." Soft, like Ewoks.
Was I right??? Huh? Is that your name?So what secret should I tell to hear yours?
(Why is this beginning to sound like I'll show you mine if...you know.) You can always e mail before we drive the rest of these indulgent, kind people NUTS.

posted 04-25-2000 10:02 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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OK, Joan.
HERE it is:My wife's "nickname" for me is "Newt".
WHY?
I don't know.
The only thing I can figure is that when we first met, I had a freshwater aquarium with several newts abiding there.
Bonita loved to watch those newts swim around, and she particularly loved to see them curled up asleep on the lily pad.Somehow I got the name Newt.
You could NEVER have guessed it, so there it is.
I know it is a bitter disappointment for you, seeing as how you thought I was a "Stud Muffin"...
posted 04-25-2000 10:45 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Aww, I'll get over it, Newt. You can still be Stud Muffin, or I can just call you S & M.
posted 04-25-2000 10:57 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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...and somehow, i don't think it's coincedence that "ewoks" quasi-phoenetically backwards is "wookies"....
posted 04-26-2000 12:35 PM PT (US) 
starblade

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Piping in about the Waterworld cost thing---At the time right after the movie came out and everybody was making a big thing about how much it cost to make, I was flipping channels one late night and I came across one of those financial-interview-type shows that usually only run late at night because only 2 people watch them, and they were talking about the horrendous cost of movies today, and in particular Waterworld. The interviewee (for lack of a better term- I don't remember who he was, some sort of Hollywood financial analyst or something) was saying basically this: at the time that the movie was in production (i.e.-incurring debt to MCA) MCA was owned by Masu****a of Japan. In the intervening time from the completion of the film to when it opened in theatres, MCA and its assets (completed films, music, etc) was sold to Seagrams, LTD of Canada. But not the DEBTS! (production costs, etc). Masu****a kept (did not sell) $300 million in debts. (This was why MCA was sold in the first place-too much debt). Now I don't profess to understand all the machinations of the accounting world and such, but as I watched and listened, it seemed to me that when Waterworld was released, it began life on a level playing field, and not $175 million in the hole. So that whenever that very first person paid their $5 or $6, or whatever, it immediately was in profit. This guy said that this was not something that the public knew and was not intended for public knowledge.
I don't know if this true or not, but if it is, then I suspect that the "leaking" of a movie's budget may be intended as a sympathy? ploy to sway the audience into seeing a movie (so they can make more money)Just my two cents from where I stand.

NP-Flash Gordonposted 04-26-2000 07:31 PM PT (US) 
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Well, if it is a ploy, it certainly didn't work for Heaven's Gate or Ishtar.
I've never seen Heaven's Gate, but Ishtar is a favorite comedy of mine. The bloated cost for what should've been a modestly-budgeted comedy was blamed on Elaine May's wildly excessive whims. According to an interview that I read with Warren Beatty, May held up production for a day so that the background sand dunes could be properly smoothed. Then the next morning she changed her mind and wanted them roughed up, again holding up production. This was just one example of her alleged lunatic extremes. What I couldn't understand was why Beatty blamed May for such excesses. HE was the producer of the film, and should've refused such nutty requests.
May is probably nutz, but she's a real comic genius. A New Leaf is a masterpiece.
Now as far as "creative accounting" goes, didn't the final mega-million dollar budget of Star Trek: The Motion Picture actually include all of the development costs of that project dating all the way back to when it was planned to be a TV movie? I heard that reported, and it seems believeable to me, but unrealistic to place such a heavy liability on a film's budget.
posted 04-26-2000 08:15 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Christopher,re: STAR TREK: yes, the first movie's budget DID include all the costs for the aborted TV series that was called "Star Trek II."
re: ISHTAR: hmm ... I don't know quite what to say about Elaine May as a director. Yes, Beatty, as a producer and one of the main stars, DID have the obligation to tell May to knock it off ... but he didn't. I couldn't begin to tell you why, I don't get it myself, although Beatty himself has a rep for overspending (LOVE AFFAIR, anyone?) He let her have her head, and she procrastinated as she always did as a director (it was said of her MIKEY & NICKY, sort of an imitation John Cassavetes movie starring Cassavetes and one of his usual foils, Peter Falk, that she'd be just as happy if she NEVER had to stop editing it -- it took YEARS before the thing was finished and -- barely -- released, and not because it was unwatchable, either. In fact I rather like it. I rather like ISHTAR as well, I actually thought it was hilarious. Oh well.)
NP: THE OMEGA MAN (Ron Grainer, FSM release, weird as hell, but fun)
posted 04-26-2000 08:30 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Roc...so we BOTH like Ishtar!
My feeling is that Elaine May should continue screenwriting and directing, but only in partnership with a producer who knows how to reign in her excessive tendencies without stunting her wonderfully eccentric comic genius.
Have you ever seen A New Leaf?
posted 04-26-2000 09:25 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
