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Topic: What's the WORST movie you ever saw??

Andre Lux
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There are lots of awful movies around, but what's your champion of all times?
I'm not talking about those Z-trash movies like "Plan 9 from Outer Space", but those movies made by great studios, with lots of money, a well known director, great actors and good technicians behind the camera.My champion of the worst must be "THE KEEP", a A-rate 1983 Paramount production, based on a great novel by F. Paul Wilson, directed by Michael Mann, with Scott Glenn, Jurgen Prochnow, Gabriel Byrne, Alberta Watson and Ian McKellen. Cinematographer is Alex Thomson and the Creature was designed by Enki Bilal.
It had everything to be one of the greatest suspense/horror movies of all times, but the result is one the most ridiculous and senseless movies ever made. Why?
1) The "score" (did I said score? Sorry...) by Tangerine Dream. Completely out of place, ominous and overstated to the nth degree. It looks like Mann just picked some old Dream cues and placed it in the movie, without any logic or coherence.
2) You never see it the keep exterior. Only a brick wall with a little entrance and its fake interiors.
3) Directing and Screenplay. This adaptation is only a skeletal remnant of a magnificent work of horror fiction. Had I not read the book, I would not have understood much of anything that happened in the movie. Michael Mann cannot tell a story through film, at least not with this one. He jumps from one scene to another with little purpose or reason. Characters were unnecessarily added to the script. The characters that were relevant were boiled down to almost nothing in terms of any degree of dimension. Now, the visual aspects at times were nice in the film, in particular the first encounter with the inhabitant of The Keep as a vaporous mist. But when we actual see him or it, it looks like some red robot in a cheap rubber suit. Cinematographer Alex Thomson's widescreen lensing is completely inadequate to the task, employing tons of fake smoke that obscure most of the compositions, giving them the air of artificiality.
4)The acting was bland, with Gabriel Byrne and Jurgen Prochnow doing fine jobs as German officers. Robert Prosky as a character-not-in-book priest is ridiculous as he looks like a leprechaun in the middle of Romania. Scott Glen is given little to do and looks really embarrassed, and the worst performance surprisingly goes to Sir Ian McKellan as the historian Cuza. He is supposed to be playing an aged, sickly Jew saved from the death camp, and he is acting like the second coming of John Huston with a rough voice and manly swagger. He was simply miscast.
Well, that's it. Sorry if it was too long. I just saw the movie again today (maybe trying to discover something good on it) since I love the novel so much...
Anyway, any comments? What's yours worst of all times?
Hugs,
AndréP.S.: parts of my "analisys" above I'd stolen from the IMDb since my english is a little poor and I found some comments over there that just fit my toughts perfectly... Yeah... shame on me!!

posted 02-11-2000 02:41 PM PT (US) 
Kevin
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I saw three in one year...G.I. Jane
Spawn
Starship TroopersGood thing I won tickets to all of them, because I wouldn't have paid money.
G.I. Jane was just a yawner, with nothing to hold your attention.
Spawn I didn't know anything about, and for good reason - it sucked.
Starship Troopers just disappointed me. It should have been called "Melrose Space" and I know Heinlein was turing in his grave.
Oh yeah, I forgot "Godzilla."
Kevin
NP - Galaxy Quest[This message has been edited by Kevin (edited 11 February 2000).]
posted 02-11-2000 02:54 PM PT (US) 
Greg Bryant
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My Breakfast With Blassie, with Andy Kaufman and Fred Blassie. During Andy Kaufman's "wrestling" period, he meets wrestler Fred Blassie at a diner for breakfast, in an apparent parody of "My Dinner With Andre."However, all they do during the film is belittle women, both in general and specifically to those women present in the diner.
Kaufman may be getting increased attention because of the recent movie, but this attempt at humor was downright misogynistic, tasteless and disgusting. I walked out after 30 minutes.
posted 02-11-2000 02:56 PM PT (US) 
Richard

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The Matrix - Film sucked big time! Score wasn't too bad though.The Texas Chainsaw Massacre - Sooooooo boring and stupid.
Friday the 13th - Pointless. By looking at the way the people in this situation acted, it made me wonder if you are born with stupidity, or is it something you can aquire?
posted 02-11-2000 03:17 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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The ones I saw this past year (starting with most recent and going back) that I would rather burn the negatives of . . ."Deal of the Century" w/Chevy Chase & Gregory Hines (though I love Hines' flame-thrower touch-up scene)
"The World Is Not Enough" (words cannot explain the pain I suffered)
"Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me" (never I have I not laughed so much during a comedy)
"The Phantom Menace" (where to begin, where to begin . . .?)
"Entrapment" (not even Connery could save this flick, though the heist scenes were well-made. Zeta-Jones' - dare I say - "talent" was too distracting and was VERY mis-cast)
"The Matrix" (good intentions, but it was just two hours of Keanue Reeves in slow-mo. "Menno's Mind" with Bruce Campbell did the idea much better, and first)
"Payback" (uh, boring . . . Mel Gibson's voice sounded like he'd been gargling with gravel)
NP: HALLOWEEN 5: THE REVENGE OF MICHAEL MYERS (Alan Howarth) ****/*****
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posted 02-11-2000 03:28 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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One of the worst major films I have ever seen was on my worst movies of all time list that I sent to San Antonio Light in 1975. Hundreds of folks sent their lists in and them printed mine among the three or four they liked. One movie on that list is still one of the worst I have ever seen even after all these years-Big Fauss and Little Halsey with Robert Redford and Michael J. Pollard. Even Johnny Cash's song couldn't save this vomit. Motorcyclists, boring story line and most inane story Robert Redford ever associated himself with. F-----. Take care, John.
posted 02-11-2000 04:08 PM PT (US) 
Valere

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Well, I have to agree with Kevin. Starship Troopers did NOT fit the image in my mind of Heinlein's novel.John Winfrey,ALL of the accusations are TRUE.Seen too many at a drive-in a lifetime ago,and that's all that they were worth.
posted 02-11-2000 04:21 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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Hardware.Don't even ask.
Scott
posted 02-11-2000 04:49 PM PT (US) 
Ted

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I believe we're leaving out the greatest bad movie of all time:THE POSTMAN
The ultimate in terrible cinema. For crying out loud, the main villain of this bucket of dung was a copier salesmen motivated by a self-help book. WERE THEY SERIOUS?!
Running at laughably obscene 3 hours in length, it was the most contrived, egotistical sap-story I have ever had the misfortune of seeing. It was fun to laugh at some of those classic lines, however, such as:
BLIND OLD LADY: You're a saint. A godsend.
POSTMAN: No ma'am, I'm just the postman.posted 02-11-2000 05:47 PM PT (US) 
Steve Hughes

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A film that's just been released in the UK called RANCID ALUMINIUM. Completely incompetent on every level. I'd rather the budget went on funding terrorism.
posted 02-11-2000 05:48 PM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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JFK. A great score by Williams, some nice editing and cinematography and a couple of decent performances will never overcome the fundamental dishonesty of this movie's script and story.
posted 02-11-2000 06:10 PM PT (US) 
James

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When I first saw the thread title, I was going to list a slew of films from Empire, Troma, and Full Moon, but then I read your stipulations and all those films are now invalid.Let me make it very clear that this is just my opinion. If you disagree (and I'm sure tons of you will), fine.
ARMAGEDDON Hehhhhhhhhh...
AUSTIN POWERS 2 I thought it would be at least as good as the first one (which I didn't like much either) but it was ten times worse.
FARGO Was this supposed to be funny or not? I wish they would have decided between comedy or drama, because in this case the combination just didn't work for me.
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK I won't go into this one.
SOUTH PARK: BIGGER, LONGER, AND UNCUT My jaw was dropped the whole time. I was completely, utterly appalled. The score wasn't bad, though.That's just to name a few...
My logical side would also include WATERWORLD, however I must admit Tina Majorino saved the movie for me. I could be watching the worst film ever made, and if Tina showed up and grinned once I would enjoy the movie thoroughly.
James
NP - Beethoven's "Appasionata" Sonata (*****)[This message has been edited by James (edited 11 February 2000).]
posted 02-11-2000 06:44 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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THE POSTMAN was the greatest movie of 1997, with hugely-interesting characters and a well-thought-plot. Good thing we're not discussing this in person, though, because I've been known to go on forever defending this movie, and have successfully changed several peoples' views of it.Another nomination for worst movie . . .
1989's SLIPSTREAM, though Mark Hamill turns in another terrific performance, as does Bill Paxton. In fact, it's another case of a great cast doing a great job in a bad movie.
posted 02-11-2000 06:48 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Of ALL time?LEGENDS OF THE FALL
THE BODYGUARD (Costner version)
A FEW GOOD MEN (I ran screaming out of the theater after about an hour)
THE GENERAL'S DAUGHTER
GODZILLA (Emmerich/Devlin, 1998)That's all I can stand remembering for now.
posted 02-11-2000 08:41 PM PT (US) 
Bel366

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THE AVENGERS
LOST IN SPACE
WILD, WILD WEST (easily the worst film I saw last year)Hey, I sense a pattern there...
The only film I have ever walked out of was the Chuck Norris pic, INVASION U.S.A. I was working for a theater chain at the time, so I figured how bad could it be for free? Ouch.
posted 02-11-2000 08:46 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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Rocco: THE BODYGUARD - Costner version? What other version is there?But seriously, this was a jacked movie, and not even Costner could save it. Too bad it didn't get made with Steven McQueen, which is who it was originally written for. Now THAT woulda been a killer movie.
NP: SPACEHUNTER complete score *****/*****
posted 02-11-2000 10:40 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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dantoris,That was just reflex on my part. THE BODYGUARD is the literal translation of the Japanese title YOJIMBO, from which the Costner BODYGUARD is slightly inspired (even uses some footage from the Kurosawa picture, as I recall). Otherwise there is no other version, I devoutly hope.
John Barry was asked to score the Costner BODYGUARD, and he knew producer Lawrence Kasdan from BODY HEAT and Costner from DANCES WITH WOLVES, so you'd expect smooth sailing; but instead, they all had a great big falling out (this happens a lot with Barry, I've noticed), and director Mick Jackson recommended Alan Silvestri, with whom he had just worked (very well!) on SOAPDISH. Thus did Silvestri go on to probably the biggest commercial success of his career: he had a cue or two on the BODYGUARD album which also featured the multiplatinum-selling Whitney Houston cut, hence Silvestri had a piece of the profits -- however small, still certainly more than he'd ever made off a soundtrack album before. If he's invested wisely, he probably doesn't really have to work again ever. (Though I'm happy he still is. He's not one of my favorites, but he's done good work.)
Jackson also retained Silvestri for VOLCANO. (Speaking of good work. I love that "March of the Lava"!)
posted 02-11-2000 11:13 PM PT (US) 
Scorro

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I usually don't engage in these 'worst' type of discussions, but there's a movie which won an academy award that I've never been able to come to terms with; and I don't mean Titanic. It's DANCES WITH WOLVES I refer to. Typically I love movies set in the old west, but this one was a cartoon. The Postman is a B grade movie, (I thought it was worth a renting), but it's a masterpiece compared to DWW. It never ceases to amaze me how this one took home an oscar for Best Picture.
posted 02-11-2000 11:30 PM PT (US) 
Justin

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SCREAM 3 would be the first. I was very disappointed
posted 02-11-2000 11:46 PM PT (US) 
Andre Lux
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Talking about ridiculous movies that won an Oscar for best picture... nothing comes close to "BRAVEHEART", that unberable Mel Gibson's ego-trip. Everytime I see the guy crying "FREEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMM" while his intestines are being ripped-off I feel sick...
Other incredible AWFUL movies I remembered:
- THE FIFTH ELEMENT (and I was forced to watch that dreadful thing till the end since I was right in the middle of a crowded theater!!)
- VOLCANO (realy embarrasing)
- THE CROW 2 (first time I left the theater in the middle of the flick)
- BATMAN & ROBIN (second time)
- STARSHIP TROOPERS (aka MELROSE IN OUTER SPACE)
Irgh.....!!!!

posted 02-12-2000 12:03 AM PT (US) 
LRobHubbard

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There have been 2 movies that I walked out on:CONDORMAN - really abysmal film with Micheal Crawford, made by Disney in the early 80's, when it was having an identity crisis & trying to upgrade their films to a more 'adult' audience. Despite a decent score (by Henry Mancini) and a good premise, I spent a good 2/3 in the theatre lobby.
The only film that I demanded a refund for was ANNIE - it was just all wrong from the opening frame on. I had hopes that it would improve, but no... (mainly due to a really, really BAD script)
Usually, even a bad film will have some minor redeeming quality - these films couldn't even toss that bone out to the audience
posted 02-12-2000 12:34 AM PT (US) 
Will

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Double Dragon. Insulting the audience's maturity. That's about the worse. And not to forget a Kurt Russel flop - Big Trouble in Little China.And a whole lot more where I don't even bother to remember.
Do take note that the above mentioned movies were watched on video (DD) and on TV (BTiLC).
The worst movies watched in a cinema are The Arrival and Patch Adams.
posted 02-12-2000 03:16 AM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil
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All right, ok, James, but Raiders of the Lost Ark? I'd love to read your points!!And Braveheart? C'mon, Andre...
posted 02-12-2000 08:18 AM PT (US) 
Alwin

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I have 2 off the top of my head:- Wing Commander
- Twin Dragons (dubbed Jackie Chan movie that came out last spring)
posted 02-12-2000 08:50 AM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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I don't know about "Raiders," but I can certainly understand being put off by the "Spartacus-Lite" that was "Braveheart."While "Spartacus" did take some liberties with its subject material, at least it didn't have the blatant disregard for history that "Braveheart" did. The latter film had the hero siring a son with a woman that not only did he never meet, but would have to have had a member that would stretch over half of Europe to impregnate.
Furthermore, "Spartacus" fills its running time with fascinating politics and good acting. Sorry, but Mel Gibson vs. Patrick McGoohan are no match for Kirk Douglas vs. Laurence Olivier. And "Spartacus" has Jean Simmons, Peter Ustinov, Charles Laughton, Woody Strode...
...and James Horner's boring score, just like the one before it, and just like the one after it, is no match for Alex North's varied, involving and UNIQUE masterpiece.
posted 02-12-2000 09:56 AM PT (US) 
Taco
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Speed2 is up there with Batman & Robin and Wild Wild West. I was so provoked by Speed2 I couldn't eat for days. What were they thinking? What mastermind greenlit these projects? Ooops, almost forget, can it get any worse than Godzilla?! Don't think so!
posted 02-12-2000 10:35 AM PT (US) 
Bozman

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Titanic is one of the worst I've ever seen. Man, it was terrible. Don't get me started...
posted 02-12-2000 10:37 AM PT (US) 
J. Peter Wolk-Laniewski

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H Rocco:
Legends of the Fall and General's Daughter!?!?
You'll have to explain this to me, I thought those movies were excellent.For my part: American Pie. The fact that this movie enjoyed any attention at all is a testament to how sick our society has become. My feelings toward the entire film can be summed up in a line, ironically, from the movie: "I'm going to go hang out with that geek, because at least she has something to talk about besides sex."
posted 02-12-2000 12:37 PM PT (US) 
kyle42
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you guys are forgetting the worst of all time..... GREASE 2!!!! AHHH it is terrible.
posted 02-12-2000 02:14 PM PT (US) 
Matt

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Deep Impact..a grade A class of actors, **** story/special effects..and SOOOOOOOO Boring. At least Armageddon had some decent visuals.
as for some of your choices..Matrix, Braveheart, Titanic..among others. Well, short of calling you all idiots im not sure what to say...
Andre: i say this with all due respect, and this stems from your opinions on other posts...get that dead cat out of your ass. BRAVEHEART?? good god man, do you even have friends?[This message has been edited by Matt (edited 12 February 2000).]
posted 02-12-2000 02:30 PM PT (US) 
Mark Hatfield
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Gotta be the Devlin/Emmerich GODZILLA....although it was neck-and-neck with some other vomitus from the last 15 years or so. Ruined a great/tragic icon, and the "auteurs" defended themselves by pointing at the Box Office receipts. Next time, guys, WRITE the stupid thing first; THEN find your funding.Other "worthies" :
ARMAGEDDON
THE POSTMAN
WATERWORLD
SHOWGIRLS
STARSHIP TROOPERS
BATMAN & ROBIN
SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE
STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER
ANOTHER 48 HOURS
LETHAL WEAPON 4
END OF DAYS....all overbudgeted/produced, under-written, and as pretty as they are vapid. We'd better get used to these annual CLEOPATRAs, though, because big $$/small script "extravanganzas" are here to stay.
All of the above is IMHO, of course. Interesting thread, for the "One man's poison..." aspect. Folks are gonna get worked up defending Michael Bay's "ouvre"; and I simply cannot comprehend that RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK made it to this post.....

NP: GALAXY QUEST 5/5* It arrived!!!
posted 02-12-2000 03:17 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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Valere, Big Fauss was seen overseas while I was in the military(1971). My two friends and fellow officers also thought it was a bomb too. Best, John.
posted 02-12-2000 03:45 PM PT (US) 
Alwin

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Oh yeah, I forgot:- Every single one of Van Dam's movies
- Every single one of Segal's movies
- And a whole lot of Stallone moviesNP: Saving Private Ryan
posted 02-12-2000 05:03 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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Im sorry guys, but I just have to disagree with your ideas of bad movies...Raiders of the Lost Ark?...are you serious? Its a classic Saturday matinee romp!! Waterworld? I think your just following the trend that it is a bad movie because it cost so much and everyone else says its bad. Basically, its about a man redeeming himself and rediscovering his values in a post-apocalyptic future...on that level it works great! Starship Troopers?..Come on!! O.k. I haven't read the book, but I saw it as a satirical science fiction that took the micky out of the media and also was a tongue in cheek sci-fi movie ( o.k. so it was a bit over the top in the gore department, but have you ever seen more glorious special
effects?) Now, as regards "Armageddon"..as much as it was an enjoyably silly sci-fi flick am I the only person who thinks it was the most awfully edited movie ever!! I mean, o.k. we like our movies fast but I felt nauseous watching this movie. I think the philosophy was "hey, dont let the camera stop on any one scene for more than 2 seconds otherwise people will become bored"
It ruined it for me! I dont know about you but I enjoy scanning a visual scene and having time to interpret whats happening on screen, rather than being bombarded non-stop by a constantly moving camera and angles. Am Ijust showing my age here? I hope this isn'nt the future of movies otherwise before we know it,there will be subliminal editing for a whole movie!! Pass me the sick bag please!
Oh, I almost forgot, the worst movie ever! Well as much as I hate to criticize anyones work recent movies I remember as being boring or awful were "Event Horizon", "Sphere" and I cant remember the name but it was David Cronenberg's recent movie about reality being blurred etc..what was it called? Who cares anyway?...and I'm a big fan of Sci-Fi as well..thats why I hate it so much when its done badly. Gae
posted 02-12-2000 05:17 PM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

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The Crow II (Can you believe they are making a 3rd?!)
Spawn (Live Action)
Police Acadamy 4 ----> whatever their on
Most of those teenangst movies, or any teenager-type movie that appeals to the MTV generation, IE American Pie, Scream I, II, III, I Know What You Did....
I HATE Horror slasher movies like Nightmare on Elmstreet and Haloween and the like. Silly comical excuses to make blood and gore and entirely predictable in the end. Poor wastes of money.
Most of the B-action movies you see on Skine....err Cinemax and HBO after about 11:45 at night. Anything that was made for TV, and oh, well I hate romantic comedies that are all the same Boy-Gets-Girl, Boy looses the girl, boy gets another girl, boy looses that girl, boy winds up with the first girl, type of story. You know, the ones that star Sandra Bullock, Meg Ryan, or Jennifer Aniston. LAAAAAAAAAME. Chick movies I know, great date movies. But how sappy Hollywood can ya get?Basicaly give me IFC (The Independant Film Channel) and I'm happy.
However, my taste in film music greatly differs.
NP - Days of Thunder Boot (Hans Zimmer)
Oh yeah, forgot to ad one thing: Any that is ANY movie that stars Bett Midler, Goldie Hawn, or Barbara Streisand or ALL THREE. ARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHH
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posted 02-12-2000 06:05 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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I really like the music for Waterworld, but I have to agree with the others above, the film was stupid. F-. Sorry, John.
posted 02-12-2000 06:34 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Come on guys....haven't you got something better to do than rail about "crappy" movies?
posted 02-12-2000 06:41 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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Here's one that is kind of interesting:When The Sun Also Rises was shown in Dallas, Texas in the late '50s quite a few people got up in the middle and left. They said it was too boring and wanted their money back. This wasn't one or two but several did this. They said it was just too boring and too stupid. Take care, John.
posted 02-12-2000 06:44 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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I don't know, but I kinda like to hear what people have to say about this. I don't agree with them all, but its interesting to hear and read all the different viewpoints. To me, its interesting. John.
posted 02-12-2000 06:55 PM PT (US) 
Wedge

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Sorry, Mark, as a die-hard Trekkie I'll defend Star Trek V to the death.
Hardly the crown jewel in the Trek franchise, but it gets better with every viewing. Sure it's just the classic Trek cast being completely hokey, cliche and melodramatic ... but it's what they do best, and they do it SO WELL. The only *real* motion-picture version of the classic series, so there!As for bad movies, "Fly Away Home" threatened to bore me to tears when it wasn't driving me insane with such agonizingly pert-and-pretty filmmaking. I almost lost total brain function watching this one!
NP: "Sommersby" (Danny Elfman)
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