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    Topic:   Several DVD-related questions

     Alwin
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    My dad has finally decided to buy a DVD player, so we were wondering:

    1) what kind of criteria should we be looking for? Technical, aesthetic, etc....

    2) Any particular companies that are the "best"?

    3) Since I'm new to the DVD scene also, do we have to flip DVDs partway through a movie, a la laserdics? My cousin had to do that partway through every movie, and that was so annoying. What are the time capacities for DVDs nowadays?

    Thanks.

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    posted 04-07-2000 09:49 AM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    Just about all DVDs will play the movie straight through. They have was is called dual-layer format, in which the laser moves from (in think) the inner portion of the disc to the outer rim, then starts moving back to the inner part to read that last half of the movie. A DVD can fit about (I think) four hours of information on one side.

    Myself, I have a Sony DVD, and it work just fine.

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    posted 04-07-2000 10:24 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    1) As you're probably going to play only Code 1 DVDs, the main problem for European customers, i.e. finding a codefree player, won't matter.

    2) I have a PC DVD-ROM drive, so I can't answer that one.

    3) There ARE some DVD's that are "flippers". They're generally disliked, because you can store the same amount of data one a dual-layered disc (most "flippers" seem to be single layered), which you don't have to turn around. There are two-sided DVDs which have the widescreen version on one side and the pan & scan version on the other. I don't care for the 4:3 pan & scan versions, but I don't have to watch them, after all. "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein" is an example for this.

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    posted 04-07-2000 10:26 AM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    You will NEVER find a region 1 DVD that asks you to flip the disc half way through the movie anymore. In fact only Warner and New Line pulled this stunt before the above mentioned "dual layer" (rsdl) technology became available.

    Some discs do however yes, contain the full screen version on one side, and the widescreen on the other. Some have the movie on one side, supplements on the other. These latter two options you should not shy away from....

    Also new to the DVD world are discs now as DVD-18. The mini series Stepehen King's The Stand was the first such release on this special disc with a capacity of just over 8 hours (4hrs per side).

    It'll be the upcoming release of Terminator 2: Special Edition that is REALLY going to make DVD-18 big. Also the DVD-18 of Men In Black.

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 04-07-2000 10:44 AM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    When StarGate first came out on DVD, it was two-sided. But the new Special Edition contains the entire movie (with 9 minutes of new footage) on one side, along with a whole bunch of goodies. An excellant package for an excellant movie.

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    posted 04-07-2000 11:29 AM PT (US)     

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    We bought a Toshiba SD-2109 at Xmas time and have been quite pleased with it. One way to get a LOT of consumer info is over at Amazon.com You'll find feedback and ratings from hundreds of buyers of specific models. Check out Sony and Toshiba players for starters. We bought the SD-2109 from Amazon; they had a price misprint = $199

    Good luck! _Sc

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    posted 04-07-2000 12:01 PM PT (US)     

     Ron Pulliam
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    By all means, get a newer model DVD player and ensure that it is Surround Sound ready (5.1CH and DTS).

    You may also want to consider a carousel player (5 or 6 DVDs/CDs).

    "The Stand" truly does make excellent use of the technology available. Half the mini-series is on side 1 and the other half on side 2.

    The DVDs I've seen have all featured very sharp images. Many of the studios have gone back to their vaults and restored their titles from the original negatives. Some look better on DVD than they ever looked in a theater!

    As for DVDs, there is no better value for your money than what the DVD with extras can offer. Everyone except Disney seems to accept and use that premise in their marketing.

    Ron

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    posted 04-07-2000 01:09 PM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    Some DVDs are also marked as being only 2-channel audio, but are actually 5-channel.

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    posted 04-07-2000 01:27 PM PT (US)     

     Brad Wills
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    I have the Panasonic A-310. Many Panasonics are known for their problems with the optical pickup, and the component will die sometimes within three months. Fortunately I purchased and extended warranty and I recommend you do the same. The replacement of the OP on any player is almost as much the player itslef! Other than that I've been extremely pleased with my 310. I like the Panansonic on screen displays, the loading and reading of discs, and the remote. My roomie has an RCA that I loathe. Besides being necessary to push some inappropriate button for the screen to advance from info to menu, it jumps immediately to the film bypassing the menu.. On top of that it makes a high pitched whine during playback. Annoying remote, too. You may want to make sure that, in the case that your TV has the optional component hookup (three jacks red, blue, and yellow) that your DVD player has the same feature. This allows for a much more intense picture and color.

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    posted 04-07-2000 01:57 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Dan: Isn't DVD-18 a 2-sided, double-layered disc? Or do I confuse something?

    I think at least European releases are sometimes still produced as flippers. But then, code 2 DVDs are generally not as good as the US releases. That's why it's so important in Europe to have a codefree player.

    Anyway, "Fight Club" is reportedly coming out in June, featuring TWO seperated DVDs, filled with tons of extra material (the movie itself will probably still use only one DVD, as the code 2 disc coming out in May will be a single DVD - one more reason for me to wait for the US release).

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    posted 04-07-2000 03:52 PM PT (US)     

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    Brad,

    That is crazy. The same thing happened to my Panasonic, the optical pickup needed to be replaced. It was bad from the very day I bought it, it would constantly freeze on certain frames and nothing I could do, short of power cycling it, would help.

    Audacity

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    posted 04-07-2000 04:25 PM PT (US)     

     Alwin
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    The brands we're considering are ones which we currently have. For example, we have a Toshiba and JVC TV, Toshiba VCR and Sony CD player.

    Do most of you buy from the same company, or is mixing and matching a better practice to use?

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    posted 04-07-2000 05:38 PM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    Some stuff is mixed-and-matched, but our main entertainment system is all Sony: TV, DVD player, VCR, and surround sound unit. No special reason, just they way were are.

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    posted 04-07-2000 05:40 PM PT (US)     

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    My main criteria for a DVD is the extras. Alot of the Dvds that came out at the beginning of the DVD craze were rush jobs, so there are some very good movies that got substandard treatments (Shawshank Redemption, Gattaca, Gross Pointe Blank). The big goodie for me is commentary. Definitly try to find discs with that, it's what makes the whole thing worth it. Get the Desperado/El Mariachi disc if you can, it's the best commentary track I've ever heard.
    As the player itself, I can't really help you. One's pretty much the same as another to me. I don't care as long as the discs play.
    Other must buys: The Matrix (duh)
    Stop Making Sense
    Silence of the Lambs

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    posted 04-07-2000 05:56 PM PT (US)     

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    1) I mix and match components based on quality (Pioneer TV & laserdisc, Mitsubishi VCR, Toshiba DVD)
    2) Yes, make sure the player has the features you are looking for, but go for reliability. Some players have a reputation for reliability and some don't. Get one that will last for years; there's no reason to have to repair/replace a DVD player. Some of the companies are into their 3rd/4th generation products and they should last you a LONG time.
    3) Just once more... if you read the comments of buyers at www.amazon.com then you will get an excellent insight into just how reliable certain products are. When product X goes defective for some reason and 50 people have suffered through it, they will voice their experience. Conversely, when 50 other people have purchased product Y and have had no problems with it, they will give the player 5 stars. This is way better than reading 'reviews' in a magazine, which are not to be taken very seriously (conflict of interest).
    _Sc

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    posted 04-07-2000 06:19 PM PT (US)     

     Alwin
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    Okay, thanks everybody for their comments and information. I'll print this and send it to my dad as soon as I get out of school.


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    posted 04-07-2000 06:31 PM PT (US)     

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    J. Peter:
    I have to disagree about GATTACA being a rush job. There is a wealth of deleted scenes, most of which should have been left in, I think. Poor Ernest Borgnine!!...the bulk of his role was left on the cutting room floor. The transfer is unbelievable; Columbia comes through with flying colors again. It also has a brief featurette and a photo and poster gallery. The score, while not isolated, is one of Michael Nyman's better efforts. (I usually detest him.) The movie is a very deliberately paced sci-fi drama that improves with each viewing, and the script by Andrew Niccol is very literate and intelligent. This is the kind of thought-provoking sci-fi that proliferated in the late sixties and early seventies and which we see far too little of these days.

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    posted 04-07-2000 10:51 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Isn't DVD-18 a 2-sided, double-layered disc? Or do I confuse something?

    That's correct, It is essentially a 2 sided dual layer disc. HUGE capacity.


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    I think at least European releases are sometimes still produced as flippers. But then, code 2 DVDs are generally not as good as the US releases. That's why it's so important in Europe to have a codefree player.

    Damn right. I in fact own a region1 only Panasonic A310 player as ai refuse to be a part of region 2. The PAL video format also upsets me with it's 4% speedup. R1 all the way. Hehe, I just got 3 Kings and The Insider this morning. Yeah!

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    Anyway, "Fight Club" is reportedly coming out in June, featuring TWO seperated DVDs, filled with tons of extra material

    June 6th the 2 disc fightclub is released. Anamorphic 2:35.1, dolby digital surround ex, 4 commentary tracks, storyboards, trailers, deleted scenes, alternate ending and MORE.

    Movie and commentaries on disc 1, suppelemtns on disc 2. Independence Day is also a 2 disc dvd set coming from Fox very soon.

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    ...as the code 2 disc coming out in May will be a single DVD - one more reason for me to wait for the US release.

    HA, well in England at least this film was hacked by censors, meaning the dvds commentaries will be non existent on the region 2 due to the fact they'd run out of sync with the image due to the edits to the movie. Doesn't surprise me the R2 would be one disd.

    Dan (again)

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    posted 04-08-2000 07:35 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Another must-have: The "Alien Legacy" box. All 4 alien movies in great picture quality (hey, would you believe the first movie is from 1979!?), tons of extras (at least on the first disc, the others don't have that much, but some, at least) and, of course, Jerry's great score on an isolated audio track.

    Another nice release is "Dragonheart", which I got yesterday - my first code 2 DVD. The original audio track is of course ten times better than the German synch (who can top Sean Connery, anyway), but the German track is fine to have if you want to show it to friends who don't speak English that well. I think (hope) that the PAL speedup doesn't THAT much difference, at least I was able to enjoy the film.

    It has a director's commentary track, a 45 minute making of, 7 (!) trailers, 2 outtakes, 2:35 widescreen (wouldn't have bought it otherwise; I think it's supposed to be anamorphic, though it doesn't say so on the packaging - any idea how I can be sure?) and - the RC2 disc only - 7 different language tracks. Of course, I don't understand more than 2 and a half of them. Great image and sound quality, too (and I found out that there has to be something utterly wrong with my surround settings...). Isolated score track would've been fine, though, there are some nice cues that don't appear on the CD.

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    posted 04-08-2000 09:24 AM PT (US)     

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    I've been confused about the concept of alternate endings for awhile now. When you watch a movie, it uses the original ending, and for the alternate, you just select it from a menu, and load it into some kind of track list with the rest of the movie?

    Well, I'll find out either way soon...

    Thanks for the continued suggestions!

    NP: The Peacemaker

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    posted 04-08-2000 10:44 AM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    Never got Dragonheart on DVD. I have the DTS laserdisc though, but that's minus all the extras. Still sounds friggin cool though.


    Alwin,

    Alternate endings 99.9% of the time will sit in the discs supplemental section where you view it seperately from the feature itself.

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 04-08-2000 01:31 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Alwin: I've not yet seen a DVD with alternate endings. I doubt there are many of them. Unless the original ending was replaced before the film's first release, I think it's a stupid idea to shoot a new ending just for the DVD or however it's supposed to work. ...but wouldn't it be funny if the alternate happy end for "Casablanca" was on the DVD, too?

    Dan: I think in the documentary, it says that it was made for the Laserdisc release. But maybe there were different releases. The DVD says "collector's edition", after all - although I've not heard of a "normal" release.

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    posted 04-08-2000 01:34 PM PT (US)     

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    Marian,

    Dragonheart was released on laserdisc as a Special Edition with all the supplements you see on the DVD now but minus the anamorphic transfer a few years back, so yes, the DVD has uses the LDs extras.

    There was also a stand alone "movie only" LD of Dragonheart in Dolby Digital, and a "movie only" DTS LD of the movie. I have the latter.

    On DVD you have the option of yes, that Colectors Edition, OR a "movie only" DTS DVD.

    Dan (again(

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    posted 04-08-2000 01:43 PM PT (US)     

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    Got the Panasonic A-120 at Christmas and have been really pleased with it. Also just picked up a new 27" Sony Trinitron TV with the AV and S-Video connections in the back. Played Goldfinger last week on DVD, the picture is absolutely incredible. I compared it to the VHS tape of Goldfinger, which looked horrible by comparison. I'm sold now on DVD, and probably will buy no more VHS tapes (that would also include SW:E1:TPM).

    One note, I was looking at a DVD equipment review site. They listed players that had particular problems, and also specific titles that for some reason would not work on or have a problem playing on specific players. By and large, Toshiba's dominated that list. I think the site was DVDfile.com.

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    posted 04-12-2000 09:28 AM PT (US)     

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    Marian - I agree. Dragonheart is one of THE most impressive DVD's available. Although the 7 trailers are actual television spots, along with the 1 theatrical trailer, which itself is awesome, because you can watch it in different languages. I particularly like the German-language trailer, because many of the words almost fit the lip-movement perfectly. )I've taken a couple years of German, so it was fun to here part of one of my favorite films in German).

    The 'burbs has the original ending. In most cases, the original ending contained on a DVD as supplemental material is usually either the ending that was changed as a result of test audience/studio reaction. I don't think there's ever been a case of a different ending being shot just for the home video release. Army of Darkness is another example. The original ending - with Ash in the future - was shown with the theatrical version overseas, whereas in the US, we get the climax inside S-Mart. The 2-disc DVD contains the "Director's Cut" (including the future ending and lods of cut-out scenes), as well as Sam & Ivan Raimi/Bruce Campbell commentary, behind-the-scenes making-of, storyboard photos, trailers, and other neat-o stuff.

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