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Maestro Sartori
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Well, it's official. John Williams is out on Deathly Hallows Part II. In the new liner notes for Part I, the director confirmed he offered Desplat the second film right after hearing a moving piece of music being recorded.So much for Williams' magic returning to the series.
I'm not a happy camper.
[Message edited by Maestro Sartori on 10-29-2010]
posted 10-29-2010 02:14 PM PT (US) MarkA
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That is bad news.
posted 10-29-2010 03:32 PM PT (US) Jeron
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Why all the Alexandre Desplat hate?? I haven't heard what he's done yet, but Desplat is a very capable composer w/ a lot of great ideas. My expectations are pretty high w/ Deathly Hallows Part 1. I'm delighted he'll have the opportunity to carry over his themes and put a nice, big finish on the story. There's no way it's not way better than what Hooper was doing, and surely some consistency between the final two films is worth something. I'm not entirely confident Williams will have done as good of a job as everyone might have hoped. What's he been up to lately?
posted 10-29-2010 04:01 PM PT (US) Maestro Sartori
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Williams gave us the Harry Potter sound and magic, which every single composer that has followed has used in very small ways. Despite what others may feel, I'm certain that the Star wars saga would not have been the same, if different composers did every film, and therefore changed the themes along the way, as has been done with Harry Potter.
posted 10-29-2010 04:04 PM PT (US) archiewattuk
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I was hoping that Williams would return for the Deathly Hallows, but given that Desplat has done the first one I feel that he should do the second one - it is one film in two parts.I've only heard excerpts of the score on Amazon at the moment since the score isn't available for purchase until November, and it sounds wonderful...
posted 10-29-2010 05:54 PM PT (US) gkgyver
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Since when does the director have the final word on the composer?
posted 10-29-2010 06:57 PM PT (US) Bond1965
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Trust me, if Williams wanted the job it would be his. Didn't stop Chris Columbus from dumping Patrick Doyle's score for STEPMOM when he could get John Williams.James
posted 10-29-2010 11:04 PM PT (US) Jeron
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Originally posted by Bond1965:
Trust me, if Williams wanted the job it would be his. Didn't stop Chris Columbus from dumping Patrick Doyle's score for STEPMOM when he could get John Williams.Has Doyle's score ever surfaced?
posted 10-30-2010 12:39 PM PT (US) Camillu
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Maybe we should decide if it's good or bad news after hearing Desplat's score on screen.I'm disappointed that we're not getting a Williams score, but I'm glad we're getting another Desplat one.
We already have 2.5 William's Harry Potter scores, after all.
I just hoping Williams isn't on some semi-retirement mode, but rather having a breather before getting back into 2005 modeposted 11-01-2010 10:30 AM PT (US) Crono
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I'm not sure context is going to help this one. Context is not going to make a thematic score appear. While the performance of the orchestra and the orchestrations are great, the writing just isn't there. There are cues I like and that are nice, but nothing memorable IMO. Some of his new motifs are nice, but I'd not go as far as to call this score big on thematic ideas.I'm not a huge listener of Desplat, but his scores to Benjamin Button and New Moon are better then what he delivered for Potter. I get that they might want to not let the music hinder what's going on screen, but you can deliver a very thematic score while keeping yourself not all out there musically. His music reminds me a lot of what Hooper did, nothing really going on, but this is a better written score then what Hooper delivered.
I don't think the issue is the composer, I think David Yates just doesn't understand music and is asking them to be more restrained and less theme driven. I mention this because ever since he took over as director, the music has sucked. I believe that Potter needed a strong musical element in all its movies. It started out great and will fizzle out and no one will care. Which is a shame.
I'll be back later on with my review of course.
-Brian
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posted 11-01-2010 11:53 AM PT (US) StarlessWinter
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I found the bulk of this score to be quite boring, and this is coming from someone who usually enjoys Desplat. Like Crono said, the orchestration is great, and there are some good tracks here and there ("Sky Battle" features some great, breathless string work), but most of Desplat's effort is typical underscore. None of his motifs will make one sit up to listen carefully or have one humming them; they're quite simple - something one could easily pick out on the piano, but lacking in the memorability department.For all Desplat's talk of utilizing Williams' themes, the only one I noticed was - of course - "Hedwig's Theme", but even that doesn't really appear in full.
David Yates' liner notes explain that he has offered Desplat the chance to score Part II, so if Desplat accepts, hopefully he can step up his game.
posted 11-01-2010 11:04 PM PT (US) Scott
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Jeron, what you talking Desplat hate? Your comment about what has Williams been up to lately was more hate than what anyone here said. LOL!
As far as the score. What I have heard thus far, I can say I like it. The orchestration is truly great (very Williams like). No wonder, considering Pope was supervising orchestrator, he knows Williams' style quite a bit.
I am looking forward to new Willam's music with the next Spielberg films. He is and will remain a master (imho). But, just to make it clear, I think Desplat did a fine job, better than a Zimmer (or his clones) score.Scott
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posted 11-10-2010 02:04 AM PT (US) gkgyver
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But, just to make it clear, I think Desplat did a fine job, better than a Zimmer (or his clones) score.What a compliment!
posted 11-12-2010 08:05 PM PT (US) Scott
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LOL
posted 11-13-2010 05:41 PM PT (US) StarlessWinter
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This score is so subtle in the film you can barely hear it at all. Save for a few moments near the beginning, it is quite unremarkable and even less prominent than Hooper's scores. Oh well...maybe battle scenes in Part Two will spark Desplat's and Yates' creativity.As for the film itself...it only confirms my opinion that there was no need to split the book into two parts. The endless camping scenes needed quite a bit of trimming.
posted 11-22-2010 02:09 AM PT (US) Camillu
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I enjoyed the film, but it was quite amusing how the whole cinema complex was packed with people who had rushed to watch this film, knowing that they were in for 3 hours of more filler scenes, and absolutely no pay-off. The last 2 films felt the same, but at least they had some sort of conclusion. This one just ended. It would have been great to pop out for a drink and a piss, and then come back in for part 2, but as we know it will be a slightly longer wait. All I can say is that Part 2 had better have a long and jaw-dropping climax.As mentioned above, I hardly noticed the score. It served its purpose, and I am quite sure that it is exactly what Yates requested. However, I feel much more could have been done in the hands of a different director and maybe a different composer. Even the lauded Dobby track barely registered. Again, we can only hope for full orchestral mayhem to be unleashed next summer.
posted 11-23-2010 01:18 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB