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    Topic:   "Avatar" / Release Date: December 8th from Atlantic Records

     Crono
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    Found this at FSM.

    http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118011440.html?categoryid=16&cs=1

    --Brian

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    posted 11-18-2009 05:37 PM PT (US)     

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    Personally...very much enjoyed that short clip. Having been my favorite growing up, I have been down on Horner for several years now.

    Considering the imagery of the film, this bit of music seems appropriate.

    We'll see how the rest holds up and I hope that he does not fall back into his tricks of the past decade.

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    posted 11-20-2009 11:32 AM PT (US)     

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    Here we go!

    Sound clips of every track: http://www.exlibris.ch/musik/OSTVARIOUS/Avatarthe_Score/PHO/8505-7567895761.aspx

    Enjoy!

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    posted 11-24-2009 12:26 AM PT (US)     

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    Love it!

    --Brian

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    posted 11-24-2009 12:45 AM PT (US)     

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    BRIAN: I SEE YOU!!!!

    HAHAHAHA ... I love the clips, but HATE that song! Gross. Makes me cringe and gives me the hee-bee-jee-bees! It makes me want to throw up in my stomach, to paraphrase Metalocalypse.

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    posted 11-24-2009 06:42 AM PT (US)     

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    First time 30 second clips of score by Horner left me wanting more since... maybe the re-release of Star Trek II.

    The song's not so bad but, I've only got a sample clip. I'm trying to reserve judgment until I've heard more of every clip. But "I See You" seems to be based on my favorite chord progression of what I've heard in the score thus far.

    Depending on who Produced the song, it could've been worse. The song from The Mask of Zorro is so bad I didn't even encode it in my mp3 backup of that CD.

    [Message edited by Widescreen on 11-24-2009]

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    posted 11-24-2009 08:54 AM PT (US)     

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    It won't let me play the clips! Ugh.

    EDIT: Found them on another site. I can't say I'm either impressed or put off by the music yet, but then you can't really tell by small clips. Lady in the Water, a fantastic score in my opinion, was given horrible sample clips on iTunes...so you never know.

    Tribal-esque music isn't really my thing, but maybe I'll at least appreciate Horner's work on a technical level. But Leona Lewis? Does she know how to use a soft voice?

    [Message edited by StarlessWinter on 11-25-2009]

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    posted 11-25-2009 07:06 PM PT (US)     

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    Woot!

    1. "You Don't Dream In Cryo...." - 6:09
    2. Jake Enters His Avatar World - 5:24
    3. Pure Spirits Of The Forest - 8:49
    4. The Bioluminescence Of The Night - 3:37
    5. Becoming One Of "The People", Becoming One With Neytiri - 7:43
    6. Climbing Up "Iknimaya - The Path To Heaven" - 3:18
    7. Jake's First Flight - 4:50
    8. Scorched Earth - 3:32
    9. Quaritch - 5:01
    10. The Destruction Of Hometree - 6:47
    11. Shutting Down Grace's Lab - 2:47
    12. Gathering All The Na'vi Clans For Battle - 5:14
    13. War - 11:21
    14. I See You [Theme from Avatar] - 4:20

    A nice and LONG release :-D

    --Brian

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    posted 11-26-2009 11:22 AM PT (US)     

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    Here's a great article from Horner and a LSO player. In addition to :"Avatar,"bBoth also talk about the current state of film music, and I totally agree with what they are talking about. Some really good discussion could come of this!

    Enjoy!

    http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article6936869.ece

    --Brian

    NP: Glory

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    posted 11-30-2009 11:46 AM PT (US)     

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    "I’ll tell you what he’s not. He’s not a plagiarist."

    Thank you

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    posted 11-30-2009 01:06 PM PT (US)     

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    No disrespect to JH, but you know who I would have *loved* to see score this? Like, died and gone to heaven if it were true?

    Elliot Goldenthal.

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    posted 11-30-2009 03:00 PM PT (US)     

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    I'll die with you, Neo.

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    posted 11-30-2009 08:17 PM PT (US)     

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    I'd like that too!

    --Bri

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    posted 12-01-2009 02:33 AM PT (US)     

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    The Leona Lewis song is on YouTube if anyone hasn't heard it yet...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7b3udV414s&feature=related

    I can't say I'm a fan of her style of singing, but I like the main melody of the chorus (the "I see me through your eyes" part). Does anyone know if that's supposed to be the main theme for the score, as well? That melody, at least, is very beautiful.

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    posted 12-05-2009 12:55 AM PT (US)     

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    I'm sorry, but... yuck.

    And yuck.

    I'm still excited as anything to see this in a couple weeks, but I'll tell ya - I may just have to shut off my RSS aggregator and stop browsing the net if I am going to have any objectivity going into this. That song just damaged it already.

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    posted 12-05-2009 09:56 PM PT (US)     

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    A lot of people I know said that about Titanic.

    I'm not gonna listen. But I have done the score clips on Amazon and I'm generally excited for the score.

    Got about a week to go for the score, and two for the flick!

    --Bri

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    posted 12-06-2009 07:20 PM PT (US)     

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    K...

    This score rocks! It's the best thing I've heard from Horner is a long, long time; I haven't liked anything by him in ages.

    The standout, for me, is "War": Great use of the hero themes and the evil Col. Quaritch's theme; it's the kind of action writing that I used to adore from Horner but hadn't heard from in a while.

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    posted 12-12-2009 10:15 AM PT (US)     

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    This score is totally worth the two years of waiting.

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    posted 12-12-2009 12:57 PM PT (US)     

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    Glad to hear it's getting good feedback. I'm holding out for the film when I see it next week. Or at least trying to LOL

    (Jeron doesn't think i'll be able to LOL. And I think he thinks I'm more crazy then I normally am LOL)

    --Brian

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    posted 12-12-2009 02:29 PM PT (US)     

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    Hmmm...I'm not sure how I feel about the score yet. It's not really a disappointment, but it's not knocking me off my feet either. The music is a mix of predictable things (tinkly percussion for the "bioluminescence" and tribal sounds for the alien creatures) and some unpredictable choices (such as the use of a solo violin and a recurring sound effect that sounds like an exhaling breath). Horner's choice to go with the obvious tribal music isn't necessarily a negative thing; it fits, but I just don't care for it that much. The score's main theme, however, is short and simple but still pretty.

    The piccolo/whistle/whatever it is at the beginning of "Bioluminescence of the Night" sounds a bit like the famous music from "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly". Just saying.


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    posted 12-12-2009 05:42 PM PT (US)     

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    I agree.
    As much as James Cameron is imaginative.. so unimaginative is James Horner's contribution.

    A really bad tribal trip. It's like Glory and Mighty Joe Young together. Added along some new digital sounds and ethnic wailing and there you have it. The score to Avatar.

    Why in the world would the African continent relate to the Planet Pandora?

    I for one am GLAD, he NEVER got LORD OF THE RINGS!.... It's still a joy to listen to.
    This Avatar score turned boring for me after the third listen.

    I'll pass on this one.

    FoobsZ

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    posted 12-14-2009 01:00 PM PT (US)     

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    So, let me get this right; Horner composed or worked on this (and nothing else) for 1.5 years?
    He should have worked on it for two weeks, we might have gotten a better score.

    Scott

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    posted 12-16-2009 04:28 PM PT (US)     

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    Just got back form a glorious viewing in 3D. I went in largely spoiler free, having not seen the trailer and not heard the score. I was very, very impressed and it exceeded all my expectations.

    The score sounds very good on screen, complementing a few key scenes prominently (especially the climbing and flying sequences). The infamous 4-note danger motif rears its familiar head around 5 minutes into the film, and shows up numerous times later on.... but admittedly it works well in the scenes (and is probably only a distraction to us score geeks who notice it). The choir bits start of sounding like Glory but then head off in a different direction.

    Overall an excellent film, on so many levels. I'm eager to watch it again.

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    posted 12-16-2009 05:45 PM PT (US)     

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    I haven't yet seen the film, but from what I've read in many reviews it's a breathtaking visual feast that's somewhat lacking in the story, character, and emotion department. How did you feel about those aspects, Camillu?

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    posted 12-16-2009 11:45 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by StarlessWinter:
    from what I've read in many reviews it's a breathtaking visual feast that's somewhat lacking in the story, character, and emotion department. How did you feel about those aspects--?

    Almost exactly how I see it (and I saw it yesterday evening). Especially the bioluminence plants of the movie were so breathtaking that I thought I was in Disneyland, but the movie as a whole felt mainly like Jeffrey Katzenberg raping Pocahontas. Despite of good basic message, AVATAR lacks so disastrously in story, character and emotion departments, that I simply can't believe Cameron has dreamt about making THIS movie for 15 years. Far better movies have been dreamt up and made in less than two weeks.

    One thing more: 2-D TITANIC made my heart soar. In 3-D AVATAR they are flying around a lot, and yet not a single flight scene managed to grab me. Tells how cold the movie really is. Cold, stupid, and totally pointless.

    -KEN-

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    posted 12-17-2009 05:05 AM PT (US)     

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    Don't keep so much in, bro...... tell us what you really think!

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    posted 12-17-2009 08:15 AM PT (US)     

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    Saw the film. Loved it. Thought Horner's score worked really well with it. Michelle Rodriguez in a tight shirt with a machine gun in 3-D is frakkin' SEXY! There's just some things Cameron can do prefectly, like Rodriguez's outfit, the Marines, Stephen Lang's Col. Quaritch, and gunships. Impressive stuff. The only thing I have to complain about is that "War" is really incomplete on album; it needed the "Bishop's Countdown" riffs that are in the film and The Rocketeer-like material for those Hammerheads!

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    posted 12-18-2009 01:52 AM PT (US)     

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    Am I the only one that recognizes the theme from THE TUDORS (A Historic Love) by Trevor Morris?

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    posted 12-18-2009 04:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Sean,
    so you loved the film because of its production values? Nothing about the story?
    It is troubeling to think that we judge films now on sexy actresses and outfits and leave story behind...no wonder Hollywood goes that route...

    NP: Silence

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    posted 12-19-2009 05:03 PM PT (US)     

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    It IS troubling to think about how we judge "story" these days. The problem with Avatar's story is not that it's an often-told one, but that Cameron doesn't even try to move past the stereotypical characters and plot points that inhabit this type of story. The warrior princess, the macho jealous tribesman, the wise old folk, the tree of life that everyone worships, the evil military leader with the "tough-guy scars", and the wild animal one must tame to be accepted... Granted, if these things were just thrown into a mix that also included original ideas there wouldn't be that big of a problem, but that's all there is to this story.

    I don't think anyone doubts the visual aspects of this film; they are really incredible. Would people be shouting "best film ever" if the visuals were stripped away? Romantic comedies get ripped on all the time for being derivative, but they don't have fancy effects to fall back on. Avatar does. There's nothing wrong with the use of CGI in general, even if a film is full of it, just as long as the story is good, too. Even a simple plot can go miles with complex characterization, but this film doesn't try that. For all the time it took to create this film, didn't anyone think to maybe add something more to the script?

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    posted 12-19-2009 08:15 PM PT (US)     

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    Am I the only one that recognizes a certain rising note motif from the Gladiator in Gathering All The Na'Vi Clans For Battle?
    At 3:11 minutes into the track. The arrangement reminds me of the Might of Rome track. The way it speeds up and the choral arrangement pitches up is constructed along the same musical pattern.

    NP: Sherlock Holmes (much more creative than Avatar)

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    posted 12-20-2009 03:08 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Scott:
    Sean,
    so you loved the film because of its production values? Nothing about the story?
    It is troubeling to think that we judge films now on sexy actresses and outfits and leave story behind...no wonder Hollywood goes that route...

    NP: Silence


    My post was more of a joke. Lighten up. I thought the story was fine. Go read Jeff Bond's review: He pretty much sums up what I think of the film.

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    posted 12-20-2009 04:00 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Foobsie:
    Am I the only one that recognizes a certain rising note motif from the Gladiator in Gathering All The Na'Vi Clans For Battle?
    At 3:11 minutes into the track. The arrangement reminds me of the Might of Rome track. The way it speeds up and the choral arrangement pitches up is constructed along the same musical pattern.

    NP: Sherlock Holmes (much more creative than Avatar)


    For all of James Horner's talk against Hans Zimmer, without ever naming him directly (like a coward), it's incredible how many times Horner falls back on what Zimmer has done. That track you mention specifically had me thinking when I first heard it that I'd heard it before from Zimmer; I couldn't pin it down, but you're right, it's Gladiator! Even the way he's got the choir jumping back in during "War" at the midpoint is how Zimmer's structured his action music in the past.

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    posted 12-20-2009 04:06 PM PT (US)     

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    I think it's a fine film. More than enough for me to forgive Cameron for TITANIC. His technique as director is commanding as ever.

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    posted 12-20-2009 07:31 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by sean:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Scott:
    [b]Sean,
    so you loved the film because of its production values? Nothing about the story?
    It is troubeling to think that we judge films now on sexy actresses and outfits and leave story behind...no wonder Hollywood goes that route...

    NP: Silence<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    My post was more of a joke. Lighten up. I thought the story was fine. Go read Jeff Bond's review: He pretty much sums up what I think of the film.[/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Ok

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    posted 12-20-2009 07:55 PM PT (US)     

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    This is a film that stays with you. My oinly problem now is tha song at the end, though appropriat to sentiment, is annoying as hell and the CD release doesn't have enough of the action cues except for "War".

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    posted 12-21-2009 07:54 AM PT (US)     

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    I am mystified by comments about the movie "lacking so disastriously in story and emotion." What exactly qualifies as story for you guys?

    It may be old hat, new clothes, but since when is that forbidden...particularly in Hollywood. Solid execution of a good story, no matter how many times it has been done, can still be well worth $10 at the multiplex.

    Careful saying "no story" simply because you do not like the story or do not subscribe to rehashing classics. People might actually believe you.

    My only real complaint with the film is the glossing over of Parker and his corporation. I think Cameron decided to make them faceless, since it is an ageold tale of corporate corruption, greed, whatever...you don't need the details to understand why they are doing what they are doing. I stil would have preferred another 5-minutes of runtime to flesh that aspect out a bit more.

    Beyond that - this movie (and 80% of the score) delivered everything I could have wanted.

    Happy Holidays all...

    (Zak - your stalwart, low-brow movie buff)

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    posted 12-21-2009 03:00 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Quill:
    I am mystified by comments about the movie "lacking so disastriously in story and emotion." What exactly qualifies as story for you guys?

    It may be old hat, new clothes, but since when is that forbidden...particularly in Hollywood. Solid execution of a good story, no matter how many times it has been done, can still be well worth $10 at the multiplex.


    I was probably being extreme by saying "It's troubling to think how we judge story these days." It's not that there is no story or even that the story itself is bad. The film is definitely worth seeing, and it's a great experience. I think some of us just get worked up when people call Avatar a masterpiece because, in my opinion, it is clearly not from a narrative point of view... a visual masterpiece, certainly, but picture is only one aspect of cinematic storytelling. Then I feel obliged to play devil's advocate for a bit. It's obvious that there was more work put into the design than the script. Obviously everyone can enjoy what they want, and I don't have any business telling people they're wrong about Avatar. Call me pretentious, but in order to be "game-changer" in its entirety, the film has to contain a little more for me. But I don't doubt Cameron's passion for his work.

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    posted 12-21-2009 10:09 PM PT (US)     

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    Here's an interesting tidbit...a friend of mine came across the original script treatment, and it has some very interesting differences and omissions:

    1) Images and background of how earth has been devastated
    2) More description of what unobtanium is and why it is so valuable.
    3) A driver whose Avatar was eaten by one of Pandora's creatures who is going insane
    4) A "Green" reporter being on the take by the corporation and reporting back that they are using environmentally safe practices in terms of both environment and treating of the native people; eventually has a conflict of morality.
    5) The Na'Vi actually destroy the dozing equipment during the scene where Jake comes to, and there is a battle where Quaritch's small expeditionary force is wiped out by the natives.

    All would have been excellent additions to bring another layer to the story, but I can understand why 1-4 (and others I did not mention were dropped - runtime and budget.) Only item #5 disappoints - it would have helped make the sides less black and white. It would have fueled the human secourity forces compulsion to wipe them out (fear, revenge, whatever) rather than simply the carnal urges displayed in the film.

    If the movie ended up being 3+ hours people would have complained. As it is, Cameron stuck to his core message and the simple, albeit effective story at its heart.

    Food for thought.

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