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Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	So says ACIN: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39715 --Brian (with a tip from Mr. Jeron Moore) [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 01-10-2009]
posted 01-10-2009 12:09 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Should be Bear McCreary.
posted 01-10-2009 01:01 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	That'd be awesome. --Brian
posted 01-10-2009 01:38 AM PT (US)

Stargate Standard Userer	Ehh.. I like Elfman but this doesn't seem like a good fit at all. McCreary would definitely be a good candidate and I'd even be open to someone like Brian Tyler..but Elfman..ehh.
posted 01-10-2009 08:26 AM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Should be McCreary? Sure, a high-profile science fiction/action film with A-list talent. Obviously they should sign the composer who's scored TV series and direct-to-DVD horror. He'll get his chance I'm sure, but I don't think he should have been a shoe-in for this or anything. I'm mildly curious to hear what Elfman does, because I don't usually associate him with material like this.
posted 01-10-2009 03:02 PM PT (US)

BackToTheFutureFan Standard Userer	I don't like Elfman much, but his experimental work on Mission: Impossible leads me to believe he could translate Fiedel's theme well in addition to his own thematic writing. I like the idea. I stress the word experimental! That's the kind of music a Terminator film should have!
posted 01-10-2009 05:28 PM PT (US)

Stargate Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Al: Should be McCreary? Sure, a high-profile science fiction/action film with A-list talent. Obviously they should sign the composer who's scored TV series and direct-to-DVD horror. He'll get his chance I'm sure, but I don't think he should have been a shoe-in for this or anything. They gave the high-grossing IRON MAN to Ramin Djawadi who is not known for much of anything except contributions to Remote Control scores (which have many contributors). So..crazier things have happened.
posted 01-10-2009 05:35 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Apparently, outputs like Iron Man or Order Of The Phoenix don't make people more sensitive. Better Elfman than many others.
posted 01-10-2009 07:16 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Good point about crazier things happening, and just to be clear, I didn't mean to imply that Bear doesn't have the talent. Anyway, this Elfman assignment intrigues me because T4 is a genre film but probably with more gravitas than Wanted or Hellboy 2.
posted 01-10-2009 09:29 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Al: Should be McCreary? Sure, a high-profile science fiction/action film with A-list talent. Obviously they should sign the composer who's scored TV series and direct-to-DVD horror. He'll get his chance I'm sure, but I don't think he should have been a shoe-in for this or anything. Nicholas Meyer gave Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan to a relatively unknown James Horner... Anyway, that's pretty weak statement you're boasting there. Obviously they were going to land an "A-list" composer for T4, but one can always hope. All composers have big breaks and in my mover-shaker mind it'd have been a great project for Bear McCreary.
posted 01-11-2009 09:02 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Here's a better question: What does it take to get Bear McCreary into "A-list" status? Answer: He should score Terminator Salvation. You aren't just born into the "A-list".
posted 01-11-2009 06:21 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	So you think it "should've been Bear McCreary." Fair enough. I say not necessarily. No weak statement. No boasting. Just an opinion.
posted 01-11-2009 08:29 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Well, I wouldn't have minded if Bear had scored the film; it seems just an obvious a move as it would have been to get Joel Goldsmith to score the upcoming Trek film. But, alas -- things don't always work out the way we like for them to. Instead, we're faced with listening to music from the Michael Giacchino's of the world. I say that Terminator 4 is probably in better hands w/ Elfman than Giacchino, but that's just my opinion. Who knows, maybe Michael will turn me into a believer come May 2009. I hope so. Until then, I'm anxious to see what ol' Danny will do. He recently did a great job w/ Wanted and Standard Operation Procedure, not to mention Serenada Schizephrena. He's no stranger to the anvils and metal clanking, either... so, while not the pick we might have hoped for or wanted, Elfman may just end up striking a chord with this one. One can hope, right? One thing is for sure: Ryan Keaveney is most assuredly ecstatic about this announcement. As well he should be. [Message edited by Jeron on 01-12-2009]
posted 01-12-2009 12:07 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Simple forecast. It's going to sound like Elfman's Hulk with female electrified wordless middle eastern wailing, or fewmew for short.
posted 01-12-2009 12:48 AM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Well in that case, maybe it should be Bear McCreary.
posted 01-12-2009 07:00 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	I like Peter's prediction. I, too, will have a hard time until May with this Star Trek business. Jeff Bond says it's "another great Giacchino score"... So far I only like Speed Racer and Cloverfield, but that latter is a stretch since its a homage more than anything.
posted 01-12-2009 03:54 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: *Simple forecast. It's going to sound like Elfman's Hulk* with female electrified wordless middle eastern wailing, or fewmew for short.** That's not a very good point I'm afraid. When scoring "Hulk" under time pressure, Ang Lee constantly pushed Elfman to not sound like himself, and more unique. So, "Hulk" is very unique as an Elfman effort and therefor isn't very suitable as a template - neither for us to compare, nor for Elfman to build upon.
posted 01-12-2009 08:13 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	gk, you are hilarious. Now do us all a favour and get a sense of humour.
posted 01-13-2009 07:00 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	I'm sorry, but shouldn't a joke be also apparent as such? When I say, for instance, I would prefer Hans Zimmer because of his amazing ability to disguise himself, you know it's irony. But I hardly know Peter that well.
posted 01-13-2009 05:18 PM PT (US)

Stargate Standard Userer	Lol come on dude, how do you take "female electrified wordless middle eastern wailing" as a serious point?
posted 01-13-2009 06:24 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Ever since it has become an annoying scoring toy to my ears.
posted 01-14-2009 07:05 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Yikes!
posted 01-14-2009 08:55 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	Let's just hope Elfman's doing this: http://www.apple.com/trailers/focus_features/coraline/ (IMDB lists Bruno Coulais, for what it's worth)
posted 01-14-2009 12:28 PM PT (US)

Dylan Standard Userer	Bruno Coulais already recorded his score and the film will be released next month.
posted 01-14-2009 01:41 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	I think you have to pass through D, C and B list first to get to A list.
posted 01-15-2009 05:19 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: One thing is for sure: Ryan Keaveney is most assuredly ecstatic about this announcement. As well he should be. I'm loving every second of it, Jeron. Even the bitching!
posted 01-15-2009 05:20 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: I think you have to pass through D, C and B list first to get to A list. You can do a lot worse than hire Bruno Coulais for your film.
posted 01-15-2009 10:43 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: You can do a lot worse than hire Bruno Coulais for your film. You could hire Clint Eastwood.
posted 01-16-2009 12:20 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by rkeaveney: [b]I think you have to pass through D, C and B list first to get to A list. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> You can do a lot worse than hire Bruno Coulais for your film. [/B] No, Coulais is great. I'm talking about bumping up the TERM TV scorer to the TERM film scorer!
posted 01-17-2009 11:48 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: No, Coulais is great. I'm talking about bumping up the TERM TV scorer to the TERM film scorer! So television composers aren't good enough to score films? You'd better not tell that to Christopher Gordon, Jeff Beal, Thomas Newman, or the late, great Shirley Walker (or -- gasp -- many, many others including wunderkinds Jerry Goldsmith and Bernard Herrmann). Ryan, what's the density level?
posted 01-19-2009 09:40 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Andrew: And Ryan's never-can-do-no-wrong favourite, Danny Elfman, has written some notable TELEVISION themes himself. In Ryan's "bumping" you can toss Bruce Broughton and Lalo Schifrin into the TV scorer pile, too... Didn't Brian Tyler write music for an extended TV episode as a TV scorer? It qualified him for the memorable Bangkok Dangerous AND the lovely The Fast And The Furious: Tokyo Drift for film scorer.
posted 01-19-2009 09:53 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Well, hopefully Ryan comes back around and explains what he meant.
posted 01-20-2009 05:11 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: Well, hopefully Ryan comes back around and explains what he meant. Yeah, and I forgot the only good thing Brian Tyler ever did was that Borg episode on Enterprise.
posted 01-20-2009 12:41 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: So television composers aren't good enough to score films? You'd better not tell that to Christopher Gordon, Jeff Beal, Thomas Newman, or the late, great Shirley Walker (or -- gasp -- many, many others including wunderkinds Jerry Goldsmith and Bernard Herrmann). Ryan, what's the density level? Take Thomas Newman off the list, as that was a case of a famous film scorer being hired for a prestige miniseries. Additionally, there's a big difference between scoring miniseries/tv-movies and scoring a tv series. So Ryan is right, to an extent. People who work on tv series do face a barrier to working in feature film, no matter what the quality of the work is. (Shirley Walker pretty much proved that - her only real feature scoring opportunities late in her career arose from pre-existing collaborations in television, and there was no lack of quality in her work.) I know an editor who works on BSG every now and then, but needs to be careful not to let it crowd up her resume or she won't get calls to do features. When people can talk like that, there's something to it. [Message edited by franz_conrad on 01-20-2009]
posted 01-20-2009 01:47 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: I know an editor who works on BSG every now and then, but needs to be careful not to let it crowd up her resume or she won't get calls to do features. Dany Cooper?
posted 01-20-2009 02:16 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Also, Michael, you're giving Ryan an easy out: He may (and likely would) not have had one like your description, since he's known for typing like an idiot and then being unable to defend those words.
posted 01-20-2009 02:20 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: Dany Cooper? I can't quite answer that, but that is a very good guess. [Message edited by franz_conrad on 01-20-2009]
posted 01-20-2009 02:36 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: Also, Michael, you're giving Ryan an easy out: He may (and likely would) not have had one like your description, since he's known for typing like an idiot and then being unable to defend those words. Not sure what you want me to do now. Delete the post?
posted 01-20-2009 02:38 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	My point was that because Bear McCreary is scoring the low-rated FOX TV show based on the same "universe", doesn't even remotely qualify him to score TERMINATOR 4. If a composer is going to make the jump it should be that a TV composer who has proven themselves capable of something other than owning a few sets of samples, loops and plug-in libraries. If anyone can point out some examples of a composer scoring a TV show first and THEN immediately making the segue into scoring a $200 million dollar TERMINATOR film, I'd love to hear it. Examples of composers who scored several feature films then two episodes of STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE do not count. Composers who's first assignment, like say a studio film like PEE-WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE, obviously do not count. Examples of composers who had written major features like DIRTY HARRY, KELLY'S HEROES, BULLITT, COOL HAND LUKE, THE CINCINNATI KID, after scoring about 3 half-hour episodes of American television -- only to return years later to TV -- obviously do not count.
posted 01-20-2009 04:12 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: My point was that because Bear McCreary is scoring the low-rated FOX TV show based on the same "universe", doesn't even remotely qualify him to score TERMINATOR 4. If a composer is going to make the jump it should be that a TV composer who has proven themselves capable of something other than owning a few sets of samples, loops and plug-in libraries. If anyone can point out some examples of a composer scoring a TV show first and THEN immediately making the segue into scoring a $200 million dollar TERMINATOR film, I'd love to hear it. Examples of composers who scored several feature films then two episodes of STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE do not count. Composers who's first assignment, like say a studio film like PEE-WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE, obviously do not count. Examples of composers who had written major features like DIRTY HARRY, KELLY'S HEROES, BULLITT, COOL HAND LUKE, THE CINCINNATI KID, after scoring about 3 half-hour episodes of American television -- only to return years later to TV -- obviously do not count. I'm bored. Time to go play hockey. BTW, did anyone catch that John Williams piece at the Obama inauguration? Was it good?
posted 01-20-2009 05:27 PM PT (US)

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