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tjguitar Standard Userer	Donaggio's Hercules, Frontiere's Brannigan, plenty of the Fielding titles...even titles that are still in print like MALONE, THROW MOMMA FROM THE TRAIN, FAREWELL TO THE KING, RED DAWN etc. Many of these titles don't have as many tracks as the CD releases, but shoot, if it's between $8 for a download and an arm and a leg for an OOP CD, I'm all for it! http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1216830565/ref=moviemusiccom-20?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywords=MGM%20Music&rh=i%3Adigital-music%2Ck%3AMGM%20Music%2Ci%3Adigital-music-album
posted 07-23-2008 10:31 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	hmm seems the referral link doesnt stay in tact when you click a title, oh well I tried! Still, I think there's lots to be discussed here. Are we near the end of the limited edition hoarding speculation craze? Does this diminish the value of our CDs? I think its great if it hinders people from buying just to speculate and thus opens up more CDs for the fans. I wonder how many people would still pay through the roof for an OOP CD if its available as an $8 download that is DRM-free and can be burned to CDR? I think you'd have to be nuts, but it wouldn't surprise me.
posted 07-23-2008 10:48 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	As long as the albums and tracks are not identical, the madness is not over.... but this should take off a little pressure. A little.
posted 07-23-2008 02:53 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Phase 2 of the 20/20 plan? LOL
posted 07-23-2008 03:31 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Not funny! Even though it's supposed to be. What a circus.
posted 07-23-2008 11:03 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	Well, all I can say is, you miss out on the awesome liner notes when you go for the MP3s. And it's kinda weird that they're basically releasing the re-mastered album assemblies that Intrada, La-La Land, and Prometheus etc. worked hard on.... and I doubt they get any credit (and I KNOW they don't get any money for digital sales).
posted 07-24-2008 09:02 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	I wonder how many people are buying these? I like it for AFTER an album has gone out of print, but while its still in print seems like competition.
posted 07-24-2008 09:19 AM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	Well all those who have stated through the years that they prefer physical product to downloads will have to put up or shut up. As these were released on CD, I have no problem with these (other than wanting these in lossless). So far they haven't gotten to anything I've missed, but they will I hope. I no longer collect Intrada's stuff (Due to speculation craziness) except for Grail scores so when they get to something I've missed or just want to check out, I'm in.
posted 07-24-2008 09:32 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	there are 2 scores from the first FSM Western box which made a user at FSM boards happy: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001CDJJ5G/ http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001CDL1XE/
posted 07-24-2008 09:44 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Yeah, especially when FSM/SAE is still selling the first western box for $130!!! If the label itself is gouging people, you can bet these online downloads will take off, irregardless of cool liner notes. I'll agree the liner notes are informative and sometimes more interesting than the music, but this isn't a book business. I think the studios have every right to put the music out there in whatever format they want. The labels contracted to clean up/restore and make CD releases, and unless the labels expressly state in their contract "the music owner agrees to give us credit for the restoration/archival work on these recordings irregardless of media type it is available on," the owner is under no obligation to give credit. Credits are a huge contract business. Most labels take on these jobs to release CDs and make a living doing it and aren't concerned about credit... but if they are and know what to do, they'll cover it in the contract. And then if the studio makes these files available without proper credit? Big $$$$$$ coming thanks to the American judicial system. But really, I think the labels get a joy being paid to restore these files and not worrying about credit other than on the product they are manufacturing themselves. PK
posted 07-24-2008 10:15 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	The worst that can happen is X label stops working with MGM because of it. Everybody loses, including MGM, though I doubt film music is a big part of their bottom line. It will be interesting to see how this changes, if it even changes anything at all.
posted 07-24-2008 10:31 AM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	The first Western box sold out and I suspect that SAE acquired a set on the secondary market and i selling it the same way that other retailers are. I doubt that FSM is seeing a cent from the secondary sales from SAE. SAE only handles FSM sales of intial releases, in other words FSM's inventory. This box is probably SAE's not FSM. When FSM discovers old inventory they handle it differently. Remember Omega Man and Towering Inferno? They gave them away free if you bought currently priced inventory. But your point is well taken nonetheless. People who want the music and don't want to be skinned by speculators will take the plunge. [Message edited by MWRuger on 07-24-2008]
posted 07-24-2008 11:35 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I don't think it matters who got what where... for the guy who wants music from "The Unforgiven" or "Guns of the Magnificent Seven," he has three options right now: $130 FSM/SAE $110 Ebay $8 Amazon.com downloads With these options, I personally would either buy the download if I wanted to hear it bad enough, or not buy at all. Maybe I'd talk with some of my collector friends and borrow the set to listen and read the booklet. And TJ's probably right... these Amazon downloads probably won't change things much at all. People who like their CDs will stay that way. I know I will stay this way, but there will be a few who will go for the downloads... if they want to hear it bad enough and don't have any friends in proximity.
posted 07-24-2008 12:46 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	There also might be some who are interested in some of these titles, but not enough to spend $20 + shipping on it, but might not mind coughing up the 8 bucks. I doubt it's a large enonugh group of people to have much of an effect on how these CDs sell, though. But people clearly ARE willing to pay for their downloads, I won't, generally, but the success of iTunes Music store shows that people do, I think?
posted 07-24-2008 01:13 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	I agree Peter. I was mainly responding to the "If the label itself is gouging people" statement. I don't think FSM has a hand in this anymore than Intrada does when BSX does the same thing. I would prefer a CD, but I am done chasing the limited editions, at least from Intrada. If I can't get it at retail or maybe 5 bucks above retail, I just won't buy it at all. So yes, I could probably find Nightcomers for double, but I won't buy it. But a download of the score, yep. A CD-R of the score, yep.
posted 07-24-2008 01:26 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Well, FSM has its logo branded at the top of SAE's store on every page except the main page...which it has been moved off to the right, poor LK, ha, so that's probably why Peter refers to them as a single entity? quote: I would prefer a CD, but I am done chasing the limited editions, at least from Intrada Why Intrada? Just cause of the fast-selling madness? Varese Club can be like that too, yeah?
posted 07-24-2008 01:40 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	Yes, Varese is in the same boat. The only difference is that I am not missing any Varese CDs that are out of print so I can continue to collect them. It's true I sometimes get CD's that I wouldn't otherwise get, but sometimes I discover a new score I wouldn't take a chance on (like Sky Bandits). I used to do this with Intrada, but since I missed some I will just buy what I really want and leave Intrada collecting to others and just stick with score collecting. [Message edited by MWRuger on 07-24-2008]
posted 07-24-2008 02:28 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	yeha that makes sense, I don't really do 'label collecting'. I do sometimes do 'composer collecting' but sometimes I will get disappoininted by score, so now I generally go off the clips (if i don't already know about it from either seeing the movie or hearing a suite) and i haven't been disappointed as much, but still some disappointment..like ROBOTJOX, ugh, great main theme, not much else.
posted 07-24-2008 02:47 PM PT (US)

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