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Quill Standard Userer	Nothing too wild about that siren...simple droning...
posted 07-21-2008 01:07 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Thanks Ryan, I was using the word to illustrate the darkness of the film, not the architecture. --Brian
posted 07-21-2008 02:18 AM PT (US)

Tristan Standard Userer	I certainly understand what you meant by the word "gothic", but perhaps "noirish" would better describe DARK KNIGHT. I put it in the same category as Mann's films (HEAT, COLLATERAL, MIAMI VICE).
posted 07-21-2008 07:14 AM PT (US)

Vladimir Standard Userer	Just saw the Dark Kight for a second time last night. I was able to understand the plot better the second time. When I first saw the movie I was so excited that the two hours plus just flew by. When I left I compared the movie to cold pizza or leftover lazagna. These are always better and more enjoyable the next day. Maybe thats a weird comparison but I felt that the Dark Knight was amazing the second watch. As for the score, it was also more present the second time. There has to be a third movie with all the money and sucess it has experienced in such a short period. Great Job to cast and crew, i have been a life long Batman Fan and this movie has touched me in a way I cannot explain.
posted 07-21-2008 08:17 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: I'm having them ground all flights, halt all trains and close all highways! You'll have to tunnel into town. And I'm not a fan of the album assembly. I can understand presenting the score as an experience, but this one is just frustrating to me. Naming each track after a line of dialogue isn't helpful either. No more useful than the names of bat species! DAMN! Guess I won't be able to get into TO! HA! The track titles are fine, as is the album. I know where each piece fits into the film, so I have no problem with it. If it isn't clear than maybe you should just listen more carefully next time.
posted 07-21-2008 10:02 AM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: DAMN! Guess I won't be able to get into TO! HA! The track titles are fine, as is the album. I know where each piece fits into the film, so I have no problem with it. If it isn't clear than maybe you should just listen more carefully next time. Yes, the onus really is on me to make THE DARK KNIGHT album a decent listening experience, definitely not on those who assembled it. What was I thinking!?!?
posted 07-21-2008 10:53 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Tristan, thank you! Didn't think of that one, work's much better. --Bri
posted 07-21-2008 11:35 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Michael: Because I trust you, I tested out your 35mm theory on The Dark Knight being a better experience NOT in IMAX. Honest to goodness, I gave it a shot. Here what's I think: It was terrible at a regular cinema: Terrible in that, if you like the film, and if you've seen it at IMAX than there just is no other way to experience it; it was like watching a BD DVD up against a standard-definition DVD: There's just no comparison. I suggest to you, Michael, to go watch it in IMAX before making such an assumption. Seriously, the difference is all too clear. Also, Michael, I tried hard to see the continuity/editing/direction error that you mentioned about the car chase: It isn't there, mate, I looked for it, I made an honest effort to see if you were right. It simply isn't there. Were you friends sitting too close or something? Honestly, I think you'd have to be close to moronic to be confused at that juncture in the action; it was cut and shot perfectly, there were no errors in direction and/or editing. I tried.
posted 07-21-2008 10:12 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: Michael: Because I trust you, I tested out your 35mm theory on The Dark Knight being a better experience NOT in IMAX. Honest to goodness, I gave it a shot. Here what's I think: It was terrible at a regular cinema: Terrible in that, if you like the film, and if you've seen it at IMAX than there just is no other way to experience it; it was like watching a BD DVD up against a standard-definition DVD: There's just no comparison. I suggest to you, Michael, to go watch it in IMAX before making such an assumption. Seriously, the difference is all too clear. Also, Michael, I tried hard to see the continuity/editing/direction error that you mentioned about the car chase: It isn't there, mate, I looked for it, I made an honest effort to see if you were right. It simply isn't there. Were you friends sitting too close or something? Honestly, I think you'd have to be close to moronic to be confused at that juncture in the action; it was cut and shot perfectly, there were no errors in direction and/or editing. I tried. I was close... Second row actually... Not fun. I just thought it was like the first one with the fight sequences where you can't tell who's who or what's what. Just like I couldn't see how many lanes there were or where Batman was in comparrison with everyone else.
posted 07-22-2008 10:08 AM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	I thought the action scenese were somewhat better than the first (the intimate ones), a prime example being the short fight in the Hong Kong office building. Others were still too dark, too close and too quickly edited. Nolan is a great director, but his action capabilities need to continue to evolve. I guess that is a testament to a comic book film...greatness through character, drama and story...not action.
posted 07-22-2008 11:39 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Originally posted by scoreguy16: I was close... Second row actually... Not fun. I just thought it was like the first one with the fight sequences where you can't tell who's who or what's what. Just like I couldn't see how many lanes there were or where Batman was in comparrison with everyone else. Yeah, I can definitely see where that would cause a problem. I was lucky to get seats in the middle level at IMAX and in the middle of the row... Same goes for the regular cinema I went to yesterday. That car sequence is just fine, and any confusion has to be from bad seating, or as Michael concedes of his friends (and this does not apply to you, Clayton) that they just aren't intelligent enough to put A and B together in a film, and in particular in an ever intensifying action sequence: And this scene was edited with precision. Quill, I would argue that the fight scenes in Batman Begins are hard to watch, but that the purpose is to see the action and Batman, the whole package, through the criminal's perspective: Which is, brief and fleeting moments of Batman as he dispatches them, which is scary from their POV and hard to see for an audience (it's a trade-off, and not a nice one at that). It doesn't apply to all the action, since the car chase in Begins was supposed to be something of a tribute to the memorable chases in films like The French Connection (from Nolan's point-of-view), and he shot that with class and confidence, whereas most directors today don't want to really show an audience anything of the chase (probably because they aren't skilled directors to begin with) while they rely on shaky hand-held cameras and attention-deficit-disorder editing techniques: Kids like it, I guess. Anyway, for Dark Knight, Nolan keeps the cameras pulled back and the action is clearly visible... Just watch the opening fight in the parking garage: The coverage of that sequence is miles and miles better than what we got in Begins. [Message edited by sean on 07-22-2008]
posted 07-22-2008 12:24 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: Michael: Because I trust you, I tested out your 35mm theory on The Dark Knight being a better experience NOT in IMAX. Honest to goodness, I gave it a shot. Here what's I think: It was terrible at a regular cinema: Terrible in that, if you like the film, and if you've seen it at IMAX than there just is no other way to experience it; it was like watching a BD DVD up against a standard-definition DVD: There's just no comparison. I suggest to you, Michael, to go watch it in IMAX before making such an assumption. Seriously, the difference is all too clear. Do the words 'prejudicial trial' mean anything to you? Interestingly, it's the same phenomenon that explains why directors cling to temp tracks. quote: face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1> Also, Michael, I tried hard to see the continuity/editing/direction error that you mentioned about the car chase: It isn't there, mate, I looked for it, I made an honest effort to see if you were right. It simply isn't there. Were you friends sitting too close or something? Honestly, I think you'd have to be close to moronic to be confused at that juncture in the action; it was cut and shot perfectly, there were no errors in direction and/or editing. I tried. Ok, we were close to the back of the cinema, so we must have been moronic. Seriously mate, you should work for these guys. You defend their case so personally. I'll keep my opinion and compound it with those of all the other people who have only seen it once, and on one viewing, literally didn't know their left hand from their right hand at key moments. Fortunately this film's virtues as drama far exceed its strength in the biff-bang-crash department. As for going to see the film in IMAX. Firstly, it's pretty rare that I would see a film twice, and not because of desire, but merely time and money (if I saw all the films I like twice, my cinema bill would get unwieldy). [Mind you, if Warner was prepared to pay for me to do it, and pay for my time as critic, I'd be quite happy to come out in favour of the result.] Secondly, I can't see the offense in reporting an instinct after a viewing. And let's just remind ourselves of what that instinct was - that action that doesn't come across well on a regular cinema screen is only going to be more disorienting on a bigger screen where the viewer has to work harder to absorb the extent of each image. [Message edited by franz_conrad on 07-22-2008]
posted 07-22-2008 02:43 PM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	Well, if it is a stylistic issue...then it simply doesn't work for me. I still say he can and most likely will evolve his talents in this area. Though, his future is not with action films (IMHO) so it may be moot.
posted 07-22-2008 04:54 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	HAHA! Ah, I still think you are wrong, Michael. You also put your foot in your mouth with your "trial" comments--you've done the same with your no-IMAX words. Oh, well.
posted 07-22-2008 06:04 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	Nice try, Canadian. It's only prejudiced if I see the film in IMAX and then go - 'You should have seen it on the small screen. This is exactly how I said it would be.' At the moment, all I have are suspicions, and (possibly) a stronger ability to contain my enthusiasm for the film than you've shown. (Cause let's face it - you think this film is faultless. That kind of blind devotion is the real bias of any other views you might hold.) I notice that you never get to the heart of my issue, which is about the ability of the human eyes to absorb movements in a light and colour (and in particular, to re-orient after an edit) while looking at screens of different proportions and looking from different angles. It's the same reason why it's easy to tell what's going on in action scenes on DVD, but not in a cinema, for scenes like the one where the Orcs storm the Dwarf Kingdom in FOTR, or the close combat scenes in BATMAN BEGINS. And obviously it's not an issue for you, but it's an element of cinematic presentation that makes it very relevant for a film-maker to know what they're filming for.
posted 07-22-2008 07:23 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Wrong again: I don't think The Dark Knight is without it's faults, it certainly has many; however, when in contrast to it's strengths I'm gonna' lean heavily on the latter--I'm not gonna' zig on this just because everyone's zagging (the majority just happens to be right on this one). BUT, in a summer where I've seen disappointing film after disappointing film after disappointing film, and finally, after much anticipation and hype, Dark Knight is released... And it's great! It's not perfect, but certainly better than all the other s.h.i.t. I've seen this summer. Another thing, like Vlad, I've been a Batman fan all my life, so when it's done right and I'm pretty damn happy. If Star Trek is done right next May, than you'll be reading much the same from me come then, too, regardless of minor flaws. And if it's done wrong, than I'll be furious. Like I wrote before, they'll never make a Batman film this good again.
posted 07-22-2008 08:13 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	I just wanted to keep both Sean and Michael (M.) updated . . . I still haven't seen TDK yet! I had my IMAX tickets for Thursday night at 3 A.M. but I had to return to the hospital that day and ultimately missed a good opportunity to drive for three hours to North Georgia. I've also been so busy with work and moving out into my new apartment that the time has just been too short. One of my roommates has seen the damn movie three times already! Grrr. I've made myself a promise to see this by Saturday; and there's a cinema literally right next to my new complex, so I have no excuse.
posted 07-22-2008 08:21 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: *I just wanted to keep both Sean and Michael (M.) updated . . . I still haven't seen TDK* yet! I** And here I imagined you, lurking in this thread, stroking your beard like so many superior master villains, waiting to strike.
posted 07-22-2008 09:29 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Andrew, I was picturing the same thing as Michael, given your strange silence in this matter: But, I had Nero on my mind with the new Star Trek pictures, and pictured you as Eric Bana with an ear burnt off.
posted 07-23-2008 01:44 AM PT (US)

Dave Standard Userer	Does anyone else's Track 14 glitch for the last 2 minutes. Edit ... early morning grammar. [Message edited by Dave on 07-23-2008]
posted 07-23-2008 09:28 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Dave: Does anyone else's Track 14 glitch for the last 2 minutes. Edit ... early morning grammar. LMFAO!!! HA! Yeah, only if you have the illegal downloaded version and not the actual CD release.
posted 07-23-2008 11:04 AM PT (US)

Dave Standard Userer	I purchased my copy from Amazon.com. Pre-order. You want my receipt?
posted 07-23-2008 11:05 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Dave, Sounds like a pressing issue, happens. Just talk to Amazon about it, they're really cool when it comes to that kind of thing. --Brian
posted 07-23-2008 12:24 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	Yes, just "talk to Amazon"! You mean Jtinder in New Dehli? HAHA!
posted 07-23-2008 01:41 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: LMFAO!!! HA! Yeah, only if you have the illegal downloaded version and not the actual CD release. It happens when you rip to this sucker to a hard drive, which is outrageous customer abuse. Only those who actually physically play their CDs would avoid this, and that I had to do that is incredibly annoying. Warner Bros won't be selling me another cd from this point on until I know that this isn't going to happen again.
posted 07-23-2008 02:27 PM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	You mean the CD is DRMed somehow!?
posted 07-23-2008 04:42 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	Mine ripped just fine. Did you guys get the limited edition or the regular one? I had problems ripping POTC3 though. Then I got the big box set of the Pirates scores as a gift and that one works fine. Weird how things work like that.
posted 07-23-2008 09:52 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Alright, alright... I see your point, Dave. Sorry. I ripped mine using iTunes and there was no problem whatsoever.
posted 07-23-2008 10:15 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by scoreguy16: Mine ripped just fine. Did you guys get the limited edition or the regular one? I had problems ripping POTC3 though. Then I got the big box set of the Pirates scores as a gift and that one works fine. Weird how things work like that. I think it was the Filmtracks review that indicated this feature was included for anti-piracy reasons. (The final track wouldn't import properly in the final minutes, or something like that.) For this reason I went iTunes, which is a shame, for obvious sound quality reasons. (This music doesn't like to sound more pinched than it already is.)
posted 07-23-2008 10:19 PM PT (US)

Ge0rge Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by scoreguy16: Mine ripped just fine. no problems on the standard CD also. Dave, check you don't have scratches on the outer surface of the disk, or probably your drive couldn't read it well.
posted 07-23-2008 10:53 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	This dude needs some help. Look for the question on this page: http://www.soundtrackinfo.com/title/darkknight.asp
posted 07-23-2008 11:05 PM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	Saw the film two days ago and loved it. Have had the CD on since then and I think it's very original and brilliant. Having some trouble placing the cues though... >>> Spoilers <<< Is the penultimate track the piece that plays during the Joker's upside-down speech? Is the opening sequence scored by the first track as on the CD, or are there edits? I remember the first statement of the Joker theme as soon as he removes his mask, but not sure about the rest. What does the final track cover? Thanks
posted 07-24-2008 07:11 AM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Camillu: Saw the film two days ago and loved it. Have had the CD on since then and I think it's very original and brilliant. Having some trouble placing the cues though... >>> Spoilers <<< Is the penultimate track the piece that plays during the Joker's upside-down speech? Is the opening sequence scored by the first track as on the CD, or are there edits? I remember the first statement of the Joker theme as soon as he removes his mask, but not sure about the rest. What does the final track cover? Thanks I belive A Dark Knight covers most of the music you want, however, sadly, the prologue's music is missing asside from about 5 seconds of it at the end of track 1 and leading into track 2. But on the plus side, Why So Serious? really covers the Joker's music.
posted 07-24-2008 12:17 PM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	Had the opportunity to see it again, and not surprisingly the good parts were better and the negatives stood out more. I will stand by my previous comment the the final action scene is a mess. The person I saw the film with (for the first time) immediately commented about it as we walked out. Lighting, editing, framing...take your pick. Too long. The first 45-minutes could have used another spin in the editing room. A very nagging plot device - Why the hell was the cop posted in the holding cell with the joker? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever (suicide watch? no way!) Considering that this entire mini-scheme would have been impossible without this one silly device it bugs the hell out of me. Oh well...I wouldn't normally nit-pick a plothole...but the movie is plotted so well and is so "realistic" that it sticks out for me! Anyway...still great, still powerful...still worth multiple viewings.
posted 07-24-2008 02:46 PM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	This review gives prominence to the score!
posted 07-24-2008 03:37 PM PT (US)

Dave Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: Alright, alright... I see your point, Dave. Sorry. I ripped mine using iTunes and there was no problem whatsoever. I ended up buying another copy from my local Borders and it worked fine. Final track ripped perfect this time. The problem with my other disc was it would play in my car fine...but not on my computer or my Blu Ray player without glitching the last 2 min of the final track. I just didn't want to buy another copy and have the same thing happen if there were multiple accounts of this occurring.
posted 07-24-2008 10:58 PM PT (US)

rolltide1017 Standard Userer	Is the first track suppose to sound like it has bad edits or do I have a bad disc? At the 3:24 mark in the first track it sounds like it cuts to a completely different piece of music for a few seconds. Is that how it is suppose to sound?
posted 07-24-2008 11:01 PM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	Yep, I'm sure that's how it's supposed to sound.
posted 07-24-2008 11:39 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Dave: I ended up buying another copy from my local Borders and it worked fine. Final track ripped perfect this time. The problem with my other disc was it would play in my car fine...but not on my computer or my Blu Ray player without glitching the last 2 min of the final track. I just didn't want to buy another copy and have the same thing happen if there were multiple accounts of this occurring. This is interesting. So the reports I heard must have all been on the bootleg versions. Surely if there was a problem with importing the disc someone else would have reported it here.
posted 07-25-2008 08:45 AM PT (US)

eggerty Non-Standard Userer	[/b]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> This is interesting. So the reports I heard must have all been on the bootleg versions. Surely if there was a problem with importing the disc someone else would have reported it here.[/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> I have problems with my copy brought from here (so it's the official release) which I received yesterday. It plays fine on one of my CD players, on the PC it tooks me quite a while to rip it. Virtually all programs errored. I eventually found a program to do it (had to rip it at normal speed and it took about 5 mins to rip the last few mins. Went to play it in my car player today and the last 2 mins skipped constantly. I'd say that either this is a DRM thingy or else there is a bad pressing out there. Oh and it's the regular CD version btw. [Message edited by eggerty on 07-25-2008]
posted 07-25-2008 10:55 AM PT (US)

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