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scoreguy16 Standard Userer	I was just looking at the Wall E page on IMDB and noticed this little trivia thing: "The teaser trailer contains part of Michael Kamen's score for Brazil (1985). Michael Kamen was going to score another Pixar film, The Incredibles (2004), but died before he could." Did I miss something? How did I not know that?
posted 06-30-2008 12:08 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	It's true. I think he was hired after John Barry left... --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 06-30-2008]
posted 06-30-2008 01:11 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: It's true. I think he was hired after John Barry left... --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 06-30-2008] I forgot Barry was supposed to score it. But I didn't even know about Kamen. That's really interesting to me.
posted 06-30-2008 01:55 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Using Brazil as trailer music for Wall-E makes sense after seeing the movie. Some of the absurd futuristic visions struck me as Gilliamesque. Like the piles of trash towering as high as the skyscrapers.
posted 06-30-2008 02:01 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Out of the three composers: Giacchino, Barry, and Kamen, I believe without a doubt that Michael Kamen would have provided a truly unforgettable score, instead of the forgettable OHMSS clone that Giacchino created. The score for The Incredibles is truly un-Incredible, especially when you set it next to something like Thomas Newman's wonderfully simple, sentimental, and thoughtful score for WALL-E.
posted 06-30-2008 02:30 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	I like Giacchino's score, but I must say I wouldn't mind having an adventurous send-off score from Michael Kamen. He would've have done very well with the film, though I imagine we would have been hearing something like ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE from him too. It was so clearly a musical reference point for the film - Giacchino should not be derided making a sensible choice between either locating the Barry tune within his fine orchestral writing or not getting the job.
posted 06-30-2008 05:44 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Out of the three composers: Giacchino, Barry, and Kamen, I believe without a doubt that Michael Kamen would have provided a truly unforgettable score, instead of the forgettable OHMSS clone that Giacchino created. The score for The Incredibles is truly un-Incredible, especially when you set it next to something like Thomas Newman's wonderfully simple, sentimental, and thoughtful score for WALL-E. You took the words straight out of my mouth, horse.
posted 06-30-2008 08:10 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Out of the three composers: Giacchino, Barry, and Kamen, I believe without a doubt that Michael Kamen would have provided a truly unforgettable score, instead of the forgettable OHMSS clone that Giacchino created. The score for The Incredibles is truly un-Incredible, especially when you set it next to something like Thomas Newman's wonderfully simple, sentimental, and thoughtful score for WALL-E. I actually agree with you there, even if you were kidding since so many people love Giacchino. I remember the theme from The Incredibles, but that's about it. I didn't like the music enough to get the soundtrack, but I think had Kamen scored it, it could've been interesting. But I also prefer his score to X-Men over X2 or X3, though X3 does have some pretty great cues. But X3 as a movie just doesn't measure up to the first 2.
posted 06-30-2008 10:48 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by scoreguy16: even if you were kidding since so many people love Giacchino. I wasn't kidding... all the people who love Giacchino and think he's "all that" are the same group of people who love movies like this. [Message edited by Jeron on 07-01-2008]
posted 07-01-2008 10:53 AM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	I've never even heard of that film and I like Giacchino's music plenty. No need to be a jerk about a matter of opinion.
posted 07-01-2008 03:15 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	I don't like Giacchino but I've been interested in Machine Girl since I read an article about it in Rue Morgue magazine.
posted 07-02-2008 10:07 PM PT (US)

Kirkinson Standard Userer	I like Giacchino and love movies like this.
posted 07-02-2008 10:16 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	LOL. Touchy touchy. Sorry to offend you guys!! I'm just not a fan and knowing how great the music of Goldsmith, Broughton, and Kamen can be... I can't fathom that kind of greatness from Giacchino. He hasn't shown it yet, if he is indeed capable. That's my opinion. I apologize if I came off as a Jerk with a capital J, franz_conrad. And Kirkinson, not bad... Last Year at Marienbad is certainly a sophisticated art film that takes some patience and perception to really appreciate. Touch�.
posted 07-03-2008 02:28 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	It's always hard to discern the tone of something on the internet... I shouldn't have taken it personally. PS. It's interesting that Kirkinson posted a link to Marienbad. I was watching Providence again last night. Now there's a great film!
posted 07-03-2008 02:49 PM PT (US)

Kirkinson Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: It's interesting that Kirkinson posted a link to Marienbad. I was watching Providence again last night. Now there's a great film! Indeed it is! A wonderful, stately score by Rozsa, as well, surely one of the very best of his later works (not that he was ever a slouch). I often find that waltz drifting through my head at night.
posted 07-03-2008 08:45 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: LOL. Touchy touchy. Sorry to offend you guys!! I'm just not a fan and knowing how great the music of Goldsmith, Broughton, and Kamen can be... I can't fathom that kind of greatness from Giacchino. He hasn't shown it yet, if he is indeed capable. That's my opinion. I apologize if I came off as a Jerk with a capital J, franz_conrad. And Kirkinson, not bad... Last Year at Marienbad is certainly a sophisticated art film that takes some patience and perception to really appreciate. Touch�. I'm sorry, but I have to agree with you on Giachinno. I think some people around here get a little to... well I guess the word would be possessive or obsessive about his music. I did actually get the short little Incredibles Oscar CD for like $3 back in the day and (obviously) forgot about it. It's not that his music is bad because it's not, it's just that his music isn't something I notice or seek out. I downloaded the Cloverfield track and listened to it once. I liked/noticed his music for Ratatouille and I still haven't gone out and got it yet which shows you the extent of how much I liked it. Where as Kamen tends to write music I really notice and enjoy. I haven't heard a Mr. Holland's Opus, a Robin Hood, an X-Men, a Brazil, or anything like that from Giachinno. I wouldn't be surprised if I did someday, but I haven't yet which is why I would've liked to hear Kamen's score (had he written one) for Incredibles.
posted 07-03-2008 09:34 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Now FSM is where you go if you want to read the Giacchino man-boy-love. I dare say I was e-attacked for suggesting that I might not even like Giacchino's music.
posted 07-03-2008 09:49 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Standard Userer	I like what I've heard of Giacchino's film (and video game) scores so far, but I think up to now, his best works have been for TV. Alias and Lost are excellent, and for those alone he deserves all the praise he gets.
posted 07-04-2008 08:33 AM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: I like what I've heard of Giacchino's film (and video game) scores so far, but I think up to now, his best works have been for TV. Alias and Lost are excellent, and for those alone he deserves all the praise he gets. I forgot about Lost! I did hear the theme on the Varese 30th Anniversary Collection and enjoyed that quite a bit. quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: Now FSM is where you go if you want to read the Giacchino man-boy-love. I dare say I was e-attacked for suggesting that I might not even like Giacchino's music. I've never been there, but I'll be sure to stay clear of there. I am not a fan of people who get so angry over a score/composer that they actually feel personally attacked when you tell them you're not a fan.
posted 07-04-2008 01:05 PM PT (US)

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