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Topic: POLTERGEIST - Two questions

SFT

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1) Could this be Jerry Goldsmith's best score? I'm inclined to think the answer is 'Yes'.2) How does the music for Poltergeist II compare to the original? Is it worth getting?
(3) Additional question: Could the 25th Anniversary Edition DVD have been worse in terms of supplemental features??? This movie deserves better!)
SFT
posted 06-15-2008 05:02 AM PT (US) 
Al

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All good questions. It could be his best, as could many of his scores. I'm not a film music scholar, but the score is indicative of a lot of things that Jerry did well: the against-the-grain melody, strong recurring themes, atonality, stellar writing for brass. It's not a personal favorite, but it is undeniably brilliant.Poltergeist II is not as notable as Poltergeist, but it's Jerry. I'd say it's like comparing Damien: Omen II to The Omen. A solid score - maybe even a better listen as an album - but not the sort of revelation of a score that the predecessor is. It's worth getting.
posted 06-15-2008 10:17 AM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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As to which is his best score is very debatable. It depends on tastes, interests, etc. To one who is a real fan of his since the early 60s: the score is in my top ten and has always been since I first heard it.It ranks either 1 2 or 3 on my list over the last 26 years since I first heard it.
Under Fire is another thats right up there.
Several of his late 70s and early 80s to mid 80s scores are also in the top ten for me with a few earlier ones mixed in from earlier like Sand Pebbles and Papillon etc.
Poltergeist 2 is a very good score to me also. Its not as high as the original one but very good. It has great action cues again and some different themes. But I like both of them a lot. That cue for the Tequila Monster bit is a great one. In the original one I like all the action cues a lot and the extended cue with the one that tracks over into the Resurrection cue is fantastic. How it builds up and goes right over into that one.
Tremendous. He is greatly missed.
FYI and reference my top ten as of right now:
1. Poltergeist
2. Under Fire
3. Blue Max
4. Legend
5. Rambo II, Sand Pebbles tie
6. Night Crossing
7. In Harms Way
8. Final Conflict, Papillon tie
9. Capricorn One
10. Star Trek, Hour of Gun tie
honorable mention Patton, Swarm, Wind and Lion, King Solomons Mines, and 50 others
In fact after the first few there are so many that I like its hard to rate them all.
There are only a very few of his I dont like.J.
posted 06-15-2008 12:52 PM PT (US) 
rkeaveney

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POLTERGEIST is my favorite Goldsmith score. POLTERGEIST II is not even on the list. They're two completely different animals. Particularly in how they were recorded. POLTERGEIST has the classic Hollywood sound - close, dry. POLTERGEIST II to me is from Jerry's strange mid-80s reverb segment.
posted 06-15-2008 04:42 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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I would definitely say that this is one of Goldsmith's best scores, certainly one of his most effective. That moment in the film during "It Knows What Scares You" when Zelda Rubinstein is talking about where Carol Anne is, the music is illustrating the ethereal plane that she is describing.... then she says, "But she's not alone," and the music just changes...Scary as all hell.
[Message edited by Swashbuckler on 06-16-2008]
posted 06-16-2008 01:41 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
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What you are describing fits nicely, to an extent, with the sequence underscored by The Light.From an entry dated 6-8-2000:
I would have liked to discuss with Mr. G the old capture vs. create thing by comparing his approaches to Matinee's Halfway Home with Poltergeist's "The Light." The reason is that both scenes depict a grown-up mentoring a youngster. In Matinee, it occurs when the John Goodman character walks down Main St. while explaining the magic of making movies to the awestruck young man. I love the scene so much because Woolsey/Goodman doesn't patronize one bit and Jerry "created" a beautiful mood of melancholy. At one point, though, the music turns ominous & menacing, and this is where Jerry "captured" the boy's feelings as the kid views an imaginary animated prehistoric beast in-tandem with Woolsey's voice-over. But then it goes back to that beautiful music as the camera swings forward into the theatre and makes its way past the ticket counter, popcorn machine & into the auditorium. It is a powerfully directed scene.
In Poltergeist, the scene is when the Beatrice Straight character explains to the little boy the story behind the lost souls and their loneliness ("oh, they're so lonely"). "The Light" perfectly captures both her's and the boy's fascination, awe and wonder. You see this in their faces. It's a magnificent moment.
My question to Jerry would have been "2 similar scenes, 2 different approaches; was this a deliberate act or was it more an instinctive thing on your part?" Could have been a neat discussion. I've tried playing "Halfway Home" while envisioning the Poltergeist scene in my mind, and it's somewhat of a fit, but a tough one. "The Light", however, together with the Matinee scene, is a definite no-go. One reason, perhaps, is that even though there are some moments of comic relief in the horror film that is Poltergeist, the opposite holds true for Matinee, a film that is basically a comic romp with moments of sublime drama.
What a neat way to pick apart J's composing mind. Ah, the stuff of dreams.
[Message edited by Howard L on 06-16-2008]
posted 06-16-2008 08:29 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by SFT:
1) Could this be Jerry Goldsmith's best score?It could be. I don't think it is, but it could be.

posted 06-17-2008 12:06 PM PT (US) 
SFT

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Thanks for the interesting replies, guys!The reason I ask is that I've just recently started to really 'get into' Goldsmith's music again after some years of not really listening to him. Sure, I've loved his music for ages, but the last year or so, as I've gotten a hold on the scores for Poltergeist, The Omen 1-2-3, The Wind and the Lion, The Swarm, and Alien, I've started to like his work more and more. Poltergeist, to me, is unquestionably one of his absolute best works and probably my favourite.
As for Poltergeist II I just had a chance to listen to it a few days ago, and I have to say that it does not live up to the quality of the original. I haven't seen the film, but from a purely musical standpoint I don't really like the way Goldsmith toned down the rich orchestral colouring of the original in favour of a more sterile sound dominated by synthesizer. Doesn't work for me, but it may be completely appropriate within the context of the film.
So I'm still looking to expand my Goldsmith collection. Next up I think will be Under Fire and Planet of the Apes. The Great Train Robbery looks like a good candidate, too
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posted 06-25-2008 06:46 AM PT (US) 
pjhackman

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I love the first one, but the second one has a few more cues that are so beautiful, the theme for the grandma and some more spots where Carol Anne's theme comes in. The large crescendo at the end of the film where the family reunites, that cue is in there and it's just breathtaking.
I like 2 and then 1.
posted 06-25-2008 11:02 AM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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Poltergeist 2 is a very lame sequel and the third one is even worse. Very laughable. J.
posted 06-25-2008 07:14 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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What I like about most of Goldsmith's sequel scores, and this includes Poltergeist II, is that while he does draw from the same thematic material, he often would take a very different approach to the scoring. This sometimes made the scores more fresh than the films they were accompanying.I find that this is not the case with respect to his latter-era Star Trek scores, which tended to have a specific sound.
posted 06-26-2008 08:08 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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Poltergeist was my very first Jerry Goldsmith score and at first I hated most of it due to the fact that I had been previously unexposed to non-linear writing. It was also only my fifth score and I listened to it right after I had listened to Williams' "ET."
Not long afterwards however, as my taste in music improved, "Poletergeist" rose to statue seldom achieved. For me, this score is a cousin, of sorts, to Goldsmith's "Alien" in that it imploys, to a slightly lesser extend, the atonality Goldsmith was a master in. It is most defenetly one of my favorite score. As for being Goldsmith's best, I am unable to say for the man was a genius and to narrow that genius down to one score I seem to be unable to accomplish in both my respect and love for this man.
Poltergeist II, I agree, is an odd continuation to Poltergeist but so was the film. I love the new themes Goldsmith came up with but missed the atonal pieces which he dispursed with sparingly this time out. What non-linear writing he did employ is masterful and unfortunately mostly missing in the original version of the OS but included in the extednded version. And yes, the synth parts can get to you if you're not used to them, but again, to Goldsmith creidit, he did more with synths as a part of the orchestra versus as the "sit in" for the orchestra, than Zimmer could ever dream of doing (and no, for the die hard Zimmer fans, this is not an attack on the German.)
Ah, I wish that year (Poltergeist), there could have been two winnders for Best Original Score, "ET" that won and "Poltergeist" for they are both maginificent.
Enough said,Scott
posted 06-27-2008 07:56 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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Oh and one more thing,
The Great Train Robbery?
Oh what a great and fun score.Scott
posted 06-27-2008 07:57 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by Scott:
Poltergeist was my very first Jerry Goldsmith score and at first I hated most of it due to the fact that I had been previously unexposed to non-linear writing.It took me a while, as I bought it just during my transition phase from someone who couldn't stand Goldsmith to being a Goldsmith fan.
But after a few days, I started getting really excited about it.quote:
Originally posted by SFT:
[B]Next up I think will be Under Fire and Planet of the Apes. The Great Train Robbery looks like a good candidate, too
Three brilliant score. Train Robbery started said transition phase and was my favourite Goldsmith score for a long time. POTA... actually made me sick the first time I listened to it. That one took me several weeks, I think.
posted 06-27-2008 10:04 AM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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Yeah, POTA is very challenging stuff. Brilliant (the orchestrations are jaw-dropping), but difficult.
posted 06-27-2008 11:59 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
