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    Topic:   Iron Man soundtrack - label info

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    In the wake of seeing the fantastic artwork for Indy 4 and Prince Caspian, with dates for both of those and Speed Racer reported, it seems one May entry has been forgotten.

    So as I was rewarded by doing some digging, I thought I'd share the news:

    Iron Man - soundtrack available on lionsgate records (no date yet found)

    Djawdi/Iron Man/Downey/Marvel naysayers need not reply.

    So Crono (Brian) - can you scoop me with the date? (No competition intended, just would like some info).

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    posted 04-09-2008 07:33 AM PT (US)     

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    Sorry about that folks, just read at FSM that May 6th is the date. Crisis averted.

    Batman Begins and Transformers fans will be happy to note a couple of people over there who have heard the score in the film say it seems to sound like those.

    [Message edited by Widescreen on 04-09-2008]

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    posted 04-09-2008 07:57 AM PT (US)     

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    Yeah, 5/6 on LG records...

    $14 in the MM store.

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    posted 04-09-2008 09:29 AM PT (US)     

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    This is one I can happily pass on. I've never heard of the composer before.

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    posted 04-09-2008 06:31 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by BigT1981:
    This is one I can happily pass on. I've never heard of the composer before.

    Sure you have, he's written music for Zimmer for years: Just check out the liner notes, more recently on Batman Begins.

    I'll pass on this score if it sounds ANYTHING like this cue!
    http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/large_clip.html

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    posted 04-10-2008 01:14 PM PT (US)     

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    I honestly have never listened to Batman Begins. Don't even have the CD.

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    posted 04-10-2008 01:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Trent: Ummmm... Well, that's just strange. Like the score or not, it is a collaboration between two of the biggest composers working today, Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard, and deserves at least one listen.

    Man, almost all the main motifs/themes from your beloved Transformers is ripped-off/taken/stolen from Batman Begins--easiest case-in-point is "Autobots," or "Soccent Attack"; this is one of the main reasons I'm not at all impressed with Jablonsky's score.

    If you enjoy Steve Jablosnky's score to Transformers so much, than I'll be willing to bet you'll love Ramin Djawdi's music; they might as well be musical twins, as they're cut from the cloth.

    [Message edited by sean on 04-10-2008]

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    posted 04-10-2008 03:09 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    Trent: Ummmm... Well, that's just strange. Like the score or not, it is a collaboration between two of the biggest composers working today, Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard, and deserves at least one listen.

    Man, almost all the main motifs/themes from your beloved Transformers is ripped-off/taken/stolen from Batman Begins--easiest case-in-point is "Autobots," or "Soccent Attack"; this is one of the main reasons I'm not at all impressed with Jablonsky's score.

    If you enjoy Steve Jablosnky's score to Transformers so much, than I'll be willing to bet you'll love Ramin Djawdi's music; they might as well be musical twins, as they're cut from the cloth.

    [Message edited by sean on 04-10-2008]


    Uhhh... no. Ramin Djawdi's music more often than not comes off as rock and roll noise. Steve Jablonsky has more than proved that he can work with an orchestra and compose beautiful emotional themes.

    As for Transformers, to me, only the background underlying stuff sounds like Batman Begins. It's like they took loops from Batman, then wrote huge thematic stuff to place over it. I don't think there's any choir in Batman Begins, but there is in Transformers. I also don't remember there being any real solo violin parts in Batman, but I do in Transformers. I think reviewer Mike Brennan on Soundtrack.net hit the nail on the head by saying that the score is way more complex than most are saying it is.

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    posted 04-10-2008 04:07 PM PT (US)     

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    Clayton, alright well the strings that permeate the driven Autobots theme is definitely from Batman Begins, the brass theme that is introduced in "Soccent Attack" is a take on the Batman theme from Begins, and it's hard not to picture many of the sequences in Transformers not being tracked with the ninja training music from Begins. I highly disagree with Mike Brennan's take on Transformers; I've read the piece you're mentioning, and I can't agree with it: I hear too much of other Zimmer/RC scores being appropriated into Transformers. I think the chanting theme for the Decepticons is a nice touch, but other than that I have a hard time sinking my teeth into this score and can't escape it's obvious influences and origins.

    Jablonsky can be good: Like when he's not scoring a Michael Bay movie: Something that has the effect of making good people suck. Steamboy is a nice score and shows he has talent beyond working for Zimmer.

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    posted 04-10-2008 04:57 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    Clayton, alright well the strings that permeate the driven Autobots theme is definitely from Batman Begins, the brass theme that is introduced in "Soccent Attack" is a take on the Batman theme from Begins, and it's hard not to picture many of the sequences in Transformers not being tracked with the ninja training music from Begins. I highly disagree with Mike Brennan's take on Transformers; I've read the piece you're mentioning, and I can't agree with it: I hear too much of other Zimmer/RC scores being appropriated into Transformers. I think the chanting theme for the Decepticons is a nice touch, but other than that I have a hard time sinking my teeth into this score and can't escape it's obvious influences and origins.

    Jablonsky can be good: Like when he's not scoring a Michael Bay movie: Something that has the effect of making good people suck. Steamboy is a nice score and shows he has talent beyond working for Zimmer.

    [Message edited by sean on 04-10-2008]


    You could do that with a lot of different movies though. Like hear King Arthur in Pirates 3, sounds from The Thin Red Line in pretty much all of Hans Zimmer's scores (and Klaus Badelt as well). So I guess that doesn't bother me as much as tons of composers have their own sounds. Goldsmith even had his own synth sounds that never got old to me. And look at Horner... Ok don't look at Horner... I swear that man gets his sheet music mixed up. Listen to track 1 on Apocalypto and track 2 on The New World and you'll hear what I mean...

    And what about The Island? That was for a Michael Bay film and I think it's pretty good... aside from the 3 drum beat thing that started in Bad Boys II (which seems to have made its way into lots and lots of other scores at this point).

    But his stuff that he does with Zimmer isn't that bad either. Look at Tears of the Sun, to me he has some of the best moments on the CD... Of course most of the best moments in the film aren't on the CD, but still... Maybe they were written by him too? Who knows...

    And Steamboy rocks. I love track 16.

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    posted 04-11-2008 11:11 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:

    I'll pass on this score if it sounds ANYTHING like this cue!
    http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/large_clip.html

    That cue is definitely from Djawadi's score. The Lakeshore release should run just under 50 minutes.

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    posted 04-11-2008 01:37 PM PT (US)     

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    Sean,

    I'm really not much of a media ventures person. I honestly didn't like the Transformers score that much when I first listened to it. It took a while for it to grow on me. It grew on me big time once the complete score was leaked.

    Now as far as Djawadi's Iron Man...Ryan, since you said the music from the trailer is from his score I think I might end up giving the score a whirl.

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    posted 04-11-2008 01:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Clayton, you're talking about style. Obviously, something Zimmer does he'll carry over to his next score or a score further down the line; Goldsmith did it (his heroic 3-note motif is replete throughout his action writing: from subtle like Hour Of The Gun to in-your-face like Air Force One, and it always worked for me), Williams and Horner still do it too... Horner sometimes to an irritating extent, but it's called style and that's what they do, like 'em or hate 'em for it. Steve Jablonsky being forced to copy the temp track is lame, but that's what happened and to me it doesn't work all that well, and doesn't play as a memorable experience--I'm also not a fan of the movie, so that could be a factor, too. All said and done, I agree with you about Steamboy: I love the relentless "Chase" cue at the beginning and the heroic "Fly In The Sky."

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    posted 04-11-2008 05:09 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    Clayton, you're talking about style. Obviously, something Zimmer does he'll carry over to his next score or a score further down the line; Goldsmith did it (his heroic 3-note motif is replete throughout his action writing: from subtle like Hour Of The Gun to in-your-face like Air Force One, and it always worked for me), Williams and Horner still do it too... Horner sometimes to an irritating extent, but it's called style and that's what they do, like 'em or hate 'em for it. Steve Jablonsky being forced to copy the temp track is lame, but that's what happened and to me it doesn't work all that well, and doesn't play as a memorable experience--I'm also not a fan of the movie, so that could be a factor, too. All said and done, I agree with you about Steamboy: I love the relentless "Chase" cue at the beginning and the heroic "Fly In The Sky."

    Wait... are we talking about the score IN the movie, or the score on the CD? If we're talking about the score IN the movie, I'd agree that it does sound to Batman Beginsish, but on CD it's a much different experience.

    And Horner's whole thing, I don't chalk that up to his style. I'd chalk that up to him using the same themes over and over. Like in Apollo 13, you can hear this little piece of music that appeared in every movie he scored since then, and then that piece of music eventually became the main theme in Enemy At The Gates. And that exact same theme appeared in The Perfect Storm, and then was re-worked into the theme for The Four Feathers...

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    posted 04-13-2008 11:41 AM PT (US)     

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    I was talking about the score as a whole. And I still hear a ton of Batman Begins on the official release.

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    posted 04-13-2008 08:39 PM PT (US)     

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    Here's a recent clip of the film from YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX15_zwoZ6c

    You can hear a sampling of Noodles' music; nothing memorable. Although, I have to say, Jon Favreau's direction is showing through nicely. He knows to use those wide shots to "make us believe a man can fly." I'm really digging that so far. Sam Raimi be damned! I never once believed it wasn't a CGI gimmick swinging across that fake city.

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    posted 04-14-2008 10:49 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by nuts_score:
    Here's a recent clip of the film from YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX15_zwoZ6c

    You can hear a sampling of Noodles' music; nothing memorable. Although, I have to say, Jon Favreau's direction is showing through nicely. He knows to use those wide shots to "make us believe a man can fly." I'm really digging that so far. Sam Raimi be damned! I never once believed it wasn't a CGI gimmick swinging across that fake city.


    Andrew, pay closer attention: That clip is EXACTLY the same as the one I linked at the top of this thread, with my comments on that EXACT music.

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    posted 04-14-2008 10:56 AM PT (US)     

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    Sean, your mom!

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    posted 04-14-2008 11:30 AM PT (US)     

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    That's what she said.

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    posted 04-14-2008 01:04 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by nuts_score:
    Here's a recent clip of the film from YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX15_zwoZ6c

    You can hear a sampling of Noodles' music; nothing memorable. Although, I have to say, Jon Favreau's direction is showing through nicely. He knows to use those wide shots to "make us believe a man can fly." I'm really digging that so far. Sam Raimi be damned! I never once believed it wasn't a CGI gimmick swinging across that fake city.


    Yes, YouTube video versus big screen picture. Certainly a legitimate way to compare visual effects quality!

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    posted 04-14-2008 03:54 PM PT (US)     

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    This was posted on FSM but here's an actual clip from the OST album.
    http://www.hans-zimmer.com/~hybrid/djawadi/ironman_free.mp3

    Actually hearing that clip from the score.... all I gotta say I'm digging it. It reminds me of Debney's The Scorpion King. I'll buy the score for sure.


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    posted 04-14-2008 06:53 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by rkeaveney:

    Yes, YouTube video versus big screen picture. Certainly a legitimate way to compare visual effects quality!


    Sure, Ryan, whatever; but I think it was rather clear that that was actually Robert Downey, Jr. and not some shiny-CGI representation. And the takes are long, and wide, just the way I like 'em.


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    posted 04-14-2008 07:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Trent, that clip is horrendous: Reminds me what I dislike intensely about the RC crowd (composers that is). (I'm assuming it's the piece for when Iron Man escapes from the terrorists-slash-guys-with-turbans-and-AK-47s, because there's the most obvious Middle Eastern sounding percussion one could use for them in the piece.) If the whole score is like that, than I'll avoid this like the plague. David Arnold would have been a perfect choice for this film, and his electronic samples are actually decent.

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    posted 04-14-2008 07:48 PM PT (US)     

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    Sean that's just your opinion. If you don't like music that's not my problem. It's not gonna stop me from getting the score.

    [Message edited by BigT1981 on 04-14-2008]

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    posted 04-14-2008 08:00 PM PT (US)     

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    Honestly, the clip sounded like John Debney writing for heavy guitar.

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    posted 04-14-2008 09:16 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by BigT1981:
    Sean that's just your opinion. If you don't like music that's not my problem. It's not gonna stop me from getting the score.

    Trent, you know me, take it easy, bro. This is a place of opinions, is it not? As for problems, there's none here. What do I know about music anyway? HAHA!


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    quote:
    Originally posted by nuts_score:
    Sure, Ryan, whatever; but I think it was rather clear that that was actually Robert Downey, Jr. and not some shiny-CGI representation. And the takes are long, and wide, just the way I like 'em.

    It's interesting we're having this FX discussion because the comps of Downey Jr.'s head into the Iron Man suit are really dreadful. There are two shots in a TV ad, one a close-up, the other a wide where he's looking over at Paltrow and they make Shiny Spider-Man seem decent in comparison!


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    posted 04-16-2008 08:11 PM PT (US)     

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    Sure, Ryan. You are familiar how the Iron Man suit works, right? I think I know exactly what shot you're talking to (the first one, at least) and, to me, it's clear that -- just as in the comic -- Stark's faceplate on the helmet retracts. It should also be stated that my YouTube link is a sequence when RDJ isn't even in the suit. He's just testing out his Rocket Boots (TM). Don't be hatin' on da Man just because I think Favreau's direction is showing to be very solid (from that one clip alone, gasp!). Oh no you diddint!

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    posted 04-16-2008 08:56 PM PT (US)     

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    It's funny that everyone is talking about the CG. One of the first things I said about this was the lack of CG... Not that there wasn't any but that it wasn't like super heavy... But that was from the first teaser. Then I saw that shot of where the tank shoots at him in that trashed city, and then he fires back and walks away as it exploads... For some reason, because of that scene, it made me not want to see the movie very much. I expect them to really shoot a tank at Robert Downey Jr. in an Iron Man suit. Is that to much to ask for? But seriously, something about it just screams fake...

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    posted 04-17-2008 10:40 AM PT (US)     

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    BTW they did say they built a complete suit for the film and that Downey Jr. did wear it. I'm sure they also built the other suits when he's just on the ground.

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