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Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Hits the net tomorrow...who's excited!?!?!
posted 02-13-2008 06:34 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	You apparently.
posted 02-13-2008 06:48 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	You're damn right!
posted 02-13-2008 06:48 PM PT (US)

BackToTheFutureFan Standard Userer	It's been a long year waiting...
posted 02-13-2008 07:38 PM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	I thought that was just speculation that it was coming on Valentine's Day.
posted 02-13-2008 07:43 PM PT (US)

Kevin Standard Userer	Yawn
posted 02-13-2008 08:22 PM PT (US)

Shire Bagginz Standard Userer	Aint it cool has a bootleg copy.... http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35616
posted 02-14-2008 12:53 AM PT (US)

BackToTheFutureFan Standard Userer	So, I think it look pretty cool. The kept the stunts live action thank God. The stuff in South America looks awesome where they are running down that step booty traps (thats what I said booby traps). I cant wait for the film. Too much to comprehend for now. By the way, when he swung from the roof of the warehouse they kept the ark..i got chills. Children Of Dune! [Message edited by BackToTheFutureFan on 02-14-2008] [Message edited by BackToTheFutureFan on 02-14-2008]
posted 02-14-2008 01:08 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Who's excited for HD 1080p GLORY!!!! ME :-D --Brian NP: Raiders, Duh!
posted 02-14-2008 01:54 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	Just went over to Yahoo movies to see it (seconds after it was posted online). Looks great but I hate seeing trailers on the Yahoo viewer because they're all jumpy. You can't wait for it all to load and then watch it smoothly (like Quicktime).
posted 02-14-2008 07:16 AM PT (US)

Kevin Standard Userer	I saw it. Eh. Didn't excite me.
posted 02-14-2008 07:36 AM PT (US)

Tristan Standard Userer	Well, it's confirmed now. The ark does resurface and I thought those scenes were the best I thought. I loved the hat silohette on the army jeep and the exchange between Ray Winstone (who I always thought was a great casting choice)and Indy. I just hope there's not too much campiness. That's why RAIDERS works so well. A lot of the movie is very serious and pretty intense.
posted 02-14-2008 08:03 AM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: Who's excited for HD 1080p GLORY!!!! ME :-D --Brian NP: Raiders, Duh! And not a jerky yahoo encode!!! But seriously, I can't wait to see this film... more so at home than in the movie theater as I haven't had any good experiences in movie theaters for the past... I think like 5 years now. Well I take that back, Dodgeball was the last one. Before I'd end up seeing a movie on opening weekend in a THX certified theater... and the film would have around 8 scratches on it already. Now that it's digital, the bulbs are dying and no one is replacing them. Plus the audience now-a-days... YES! LETS TAKE OUT OUR CELL PHONES AND YELL ON THEM WHILE SCREAMING OFFENSIVE THINGS AT THE MOVIE!!! ... Stupid youth... Anywho! Apparently they're already working on the Blu-Ray for this and George Lucas is going to pretty much force Paramount to pay to get it THX Certified (which might be the first THX Certified HD disc here in the states and no, T2 doesn't count). Nifty Nifty!
posted 02-14-2008 10:35 AM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	You know, this is an awesome teaser but... WHY ARE ALL THE TEASERS IN MONO!!! It offended my ears!!! Anyone know where there's a stereo version of this? Or better yet, a 5.1 version (but that would only appear on Apple's site).
posted 02-14-2008 11:03 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	It's less jumpy on the official site
posted 02-14-2008 12:59 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	I'm blown away, and as expected it'll be the best film and score of the year. Andrew you deserve a slap in the face with a wet, moldy sock!!!
posted 02-14-2008 01:19 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Camillu: It's less jumpy on the official site I think Yahoo has the exact same encodes actually.
posted 02-14-2008 01:28 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Yahoo encodes never thrill me. When this hits Apple's, its gonna be a ton better. Check out the HD ones, they look fantastic. --Brian
posted 02-14-2008 01:55 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: Yahoo encodes never thrill me. When this hits Apple's, its gonna be a ton better. Check out the HD ones, they look fantastic. --Brian What's funny is that apple's encodes used to be so much worse than Yahoo's. There used to be weird lines through sharp edges of objects and text that aren't present on the Yahoo encodes. Check out the trailers for Get Smart and compare the 2, it's pretty obvious on that one. Also Apple encodes are darker than Yahoo's sometimes. And they'd compress the audio more for 1080p than 480p (which they still do from time to time). But on the plus side they do actually take advantage of 5.1 sound on Apple but on yahoo it's only 2.0. Then again, I'd rather have 2.0 than 1.0, especially on a trailer like this.
posted 02-14-2008 02:27 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: I'm blown away, and as expected it'll be the best film and score of the year. Andrew you deserve a slap in the face with a wet, moldy sock!!! Sean, I love you, but you're the king of hyperbole. I thought the trailer was a lot of fun, and the whip swinging in the hangar/warehouse was a lot of fun, especially when we see Indy isn't as spry as he once was. My hope is that they play up the angle that this character has aged greatly since Last Crusade. The CGI was the most jarring for me, because I just wanted good old fashioned miniatures, sets, and in-camera effects. Sure, the stunts are mostly all real, but why can't everything else, eh? As great as CGI can be, I feel its crippling a lot of talented filmmakers, and Spielberg shows the most wear.
posted 02-14-2008 03:23 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Oh, and I hated, hated, hated, hated the use of Brian Tyler's music from Children of Dune. Sure, the score is good, but NOT FOR INDIANA JONES! They could have used some Williams music that isn't in the zeitgeist, for frak's sake!
posted 02-14-2008 03:29 PM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	I will quote Thor from over at FSM, 'cause I think he nailed the intent of the Tyler music on the head... "I think the Brian Tyler music is a brilliant move! It sets up the belief that this is yet another run-of-the-mill adventure film, and then the famous Williams theme kicks in, reassuring us that nope, this is the same, good-old-fashioned Indy we love to much!" Doesn't that make sense? It's a set-up and catch - making the viewing audience oblivious that this is actually an Indiana Jones trailer until the silhouette scene (because face it... a lot of theater viewers for "The Spiderwick Chronicles" won't realize what it is). I think it was perfect.
posted 02-14-2008 04:02 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by NeoVoyager: Doesn't that make sense? It's a set-up and catch - making the viewing audience oblivious that this is actually an Indiana Jones trailer until the silhouette scene (because face it... a lot of theater viewers for "The Spiderwick Chronicles" won't realize what it is). I think it was perfect. You seriously think no-one would recognise any of the footage from the previous three films, or the Lucasfilm logo?
posted 02-14-2008 04:08 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	I have to agree with Michael on this one, Thor just seems enthusiastic about Tyler's music being used. Paramount shouldn't have "assumed" that a majority of the audience seeing The Spiderwick Chronicles won't recognize that it's the Indy 4 trailer, because 80% of their opening box office will be due to this trailer. It all seems very amateurish, this trailer and how it's edited. I've agreed thus far with comments saying some pre-"real" trailer fan trailers have done better with their use of Williams' iconic music and sound clips from the series. Remember what Warner did with that first Superman Returns trailer? They used the Williams' Krypton theme; while the cue is absolutely one of my favorite Williams' pieces, most audiences wouldn't have recognized it being Superman music, but those who are generally fans were very enthusiastic. I also thought that trailer was one of the best in a while, and this new Indy trailer just simply isn't. Hopefully this is just a teaser and a real editor will assemble something of quality. [Message edited by nuts_score on 02-14-2008]
posted 02-14-2008 05:53 PM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	<<< You seriously think no-one would recognise any of the footage from the previous three films, or the Lucasfilm logo? >>> I wouldn't have recognized it if I hadn't seen Raiders just last week. Still, there were only two shots I recognized. So, in other words... yes. <<< I have to agree with Michael on this one... >>> Golly, that was confusing! Since both of us Michaels have stated conflicting opinions, you're bound to agree with one of us, so naturally you agree with..... Michael! [Message edited by NeoVoyager on 02-14-2008]
posted 02-14-2008 11:21 PM PT (US)

MarkA Standard Userer	I'm looking forward to the next Indi movie as much as anyone, but I was seriously let down by this lame trailer.
posted 02-14-2008 11:48 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Teaser. Not trailer.
posted 02-15-2008 01:08 AM PT (US)

BackToTheFutureFan Standard Userer	You know, after watching the trailer a few times throughout the day I realized as well that the Children Of Dune music does not fit the whole Indiana Jones feel and idea. Feels too modern, especially since they are going after that 1930 serial feel..I would expect a more orchestral classic feeling. I actually feel kinda cheated already..and it's only the teaser! Yeah....I'm sure thats all it is........... [Message edited by BackToTheFutureFan on 02-15-2008]
posted 02-15-2008 02:46 AM PT (US)

Erik Woods Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by BackToTheFutureFan: You know, after watching the trailer a few times throughout the day I realized as well that the Children Of Dune music does not fit the whole Indiana Jones feel and idea. Feels too modern, especially since they are going after that 1930 serial feel..I would expect a more orchestral classic feeling. I actually feel kinda cheated already..and it's only the teaser! Yeah....I'm sure thats all it is........... Actually, they are going for that late 1950's feel. -Erik-
posted 02-15-2008 07:35 AM PT (US)

Tristan Standard Userer	Yep. The more I watch this teaser the more I get past the initial excitement of seeing new footage. There are a lot of things about the trailer I like. I think the graphics are great and I liked the scenes from Indy's silohette on the jeep through the warehouse sequence. But overall, I feel like they really should've gone the more nostalgic route. Not to toot my own horn too loudly, but I thought my concept (which is on youtube)while a little long, was a good concept where you wouldn't see any of the new footage and it just harkened back to the previous three films and their iconic dialogue and musical themes. There's something to be said for contained secrecy. Look at how well the teaser for CLOVERFIELD worked. I also agree that this trailer does feel too modern. The beginning is a common trailer technique in trailer editing these days where you are misled into believing a movie is "such and such" kind of movie. Comedy trailers employ this technique all the time where they lead you to bellieve the movie is a serious drama or a horror movie and then there's the sound effect, funny dialogue line or the record scratch sound effect. That's what this teaser is doing. It leads you to believe, as stated before on here, that it is a NATIONAL TREASURE/SAHARA type modern adventure movie knock-off. It just doesn't work. Brian Tyler's music does not work at all for an Indy trailer. The only music in an Indy trailer should be William's Indy music. It would be like using a Desplat theme for a STAR WARS trailer or a JAWS trailer. It wouldn't happen. The music for these films is such an essential part of every visual frame that you just can't subsitute when it comes to the audio -if that makes sense. And so, it becomes really a misleading waste of time when you could be spending this time having your audience recall the SOUNDS they remember from the fine audio work that was done on the previous trilogy. There were things with the editing that seemed rushed. The sound of the marching Nazi boots was awful. Doesn't match at all. Seems pasted on. And the title cards between the scenes...the font choice was bad. They should've stuck with a more classic Indy fonts. Of course, this is all one man/video editor's opinion. [Message edited by Tristan on 02-15-2008]
posted 02-15-2008 08:07 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by NeoVoyager: <<< I have to agree with Michael on this one... >>> Golly, that was confusing! Since both of us Michaels have stated conflicting opinions, you're bound to agree with one of us, so naturally you agree with..... Michael! [Message edited by NeoVoyager on 02-14-2008] Why call you Michael when I can call you . . . Pipolo?!
posted 02-15-2008 08:47 AM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	Haha!
posted 02-15-2008 01:21 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	The Brian Tyler music is terrible and the "Raider's March" comes in a tad too late and is terribly edited at the end to close the teaser. Were I a mover-and-a-shaker, I'd have opted, for example, to use the majestic and noble Grail theme from The Last Crusade over the montage of the past three films. I'm really happy with this teaser, I won't tear into it, as it's just a teaser: It generates excitement, the action looks spectacular, and the film looks like a lot of fun; everyone involved will deliver, ILM-included, Andrew. I love Indiana Jones films and I am more excited for this film and score than I was for ANY of the Star Wars prequels.
posted 02-15-2008 02:49 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Sean, I was just thinking the same thing about the opening music! --Brian
posted 02-15-2008 03:01 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: The Brian Tyler music is terrible and the "Raider's March" comes in a tad too late and is terribly edited at the end to close the teaser. Were I a mover-and-a-shaker, I'd have opted, for example, to use the majestic and noble Grail theme from The Last Crusade over the montage of the past three films. I'm really happy with this teaser, I won't tear into it, as it's just a teaser: It generates excitement, the action looks spectacular, and the film looks like a lot of fun; everyone involved will deliver, ILM-included, Andrew. I love Indiana Jones films and I am more excited for this film and score than I was for ANY of the Star Wars prequels. I agree 100%. And if they didn't want to use Indiana Jones music in the beginning of the teaser for whatever dumb reason, they could've easily found a track a little more suitable for the opening. I even thing some droning may have been better than using Children of Dune. When I heard Children of Dune, I immediately thought of every other trailer that's used it, which made this teaser all the less unique when the project is something many fans are looking forward to. But having said that, I think the teaser still got the job done. It made me excited, it made me thing "holy crap this looks like fun!" and it made me want to watch the rest of the Indy films.
posted 02-15-2008 04:20 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Standard Userer	I saw part of it on TV. Its funny watching that 65 year old Harrison Ford swinging on his whip and so on. Ridiculous, older than Rambo and Rocky. LOL. J.
posted 02-15-2008 05:53 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Standard Userer	I saw part of it on TV. Its funny watching that 65 year old Harrison Ford swinging on his whip and so on. Ridiculous, older than Rambo and Rocky. LOL. J.
posted 02-15-2008 05:53 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Clayton, agreed. I thought Tyler's Children Of Dune was used quite effectively in the Master And Commander trailer, and that's actually what made me seek out that score. Using it for Indiana Jones, IMO, shortchanges the series and seems cheap. John: As always, hilarious!
posted 02-15-2008 08:56 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	I've watched the teaser a few more times. There's something I have to get off my chest: It's a damn shame that cinematographer Douglas Slocombe lost his vision in his right eye. Spielberg made a slight progression with the use of Dean Cundey, who is also a fantastic DP, but since Schindler's List, Beardberg has relied on Polish DP, Janusz Kaminski. Some of Kaminski's efforts come off very well; but his lighting techniques ultimately leave a cold picture (they do work, however, in Minority Report and Munich) and this series needs the warmest eyes possible. This is what Slocombe brought to the series, he made everything feel alive and vibrant. He made the world real. Now here's the thing about Kaminski's cinematography in the Crystal Skull trailer, observe how everything shot on a set LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING SHOT ON A SET! Kaminski's lighting is absolutely horrid in the sequence in the warehouse, as well as during Ford's final delivery, "Part-time!" It's well-known that Spielberg's and Lucas' series is a great big homage to those wonderfully campy cinema serials that played before in their youths, but Slocombe's cinematography went beyond being set, location, set, location, etc. Everything was lit with visual style and flair to suggest realism, which helped the viewer believe in the character and the world. Kaminski provides none of that, and I feel it hurts the picture.
posted 02-15-2008 11:17 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	I agree with your remarks on lighting. It's remarkable how 'sound stage' large slabs of the trailer look. I guess when you get to used to shooting diffused outdoors, it's hard to make a set look like the real thing. I do think Kaminski's look worked well for WAR OF THE WORLDS and SCHINDLER'S LIST too though.
posted 02-15-2008 11:47 PM PT (US)

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