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    Topic:   Latest on the BLUE BOX

     TimT
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    Is there a release date?

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    posted 02-09-2008 09:38 AM PT (US)     

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    No there isn't.

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    posted 02-09-2008 11:00 AM PT (US)     

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    Yes there is. SAE is the distributor/manufacturer and has indicated the product goes on sale on Feb 21.

    MM will like get copies a week after that:
    http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/superman-blue


    Apparently there are 50 copies of the box available with signatures from Ron Jones and Ken Thorpe if you are the first to order through SAE on Feb 21 at 3pm. Those two lesser-knowns scribbling on your box will cost you an extra $80 though.

    Wait is over. Good.

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    posted 02-15-2008 11:27 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Ken Thorpe. LOL. Um, Thorne. Thorne!

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    posted 02-15-2008 11:28 AM PT (US)     

     tjguitar
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    " (Blue Box Deluxe Edition)"


    LOL!

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    posted 02-15-2008 11:58 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by PeterK:
    Yes there is. SAE is the distributor/manufacturer and has indicated the product goes on sale on Feb 21.

    MM will like get copies a week after that:
    http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/superman-blue


    Apparently there are 50 copies of the box available with signatures from Ron Jones and Ken Thorpe if you are the first to order through SAE on Feb 21 at 3pm. Those two lesser-knowns scribbling on your box will cost you an extra $80 though.

    Wait is over. Good.


    For me it's not worth paying an extra $80 to get two signatures. No thanks, I just assume pay the $120.00 and get the box set itself since that's all I want because I want to listen to the music. Anyways I have all ready put my pre-order in through you Peter.

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    posted 02-18-2008 04:58 PM PT (US)     

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    This world makes no sense.

    I pay nothing for signatures from Michael Nyman, Philip Glass, Howard Shore and Christopher Gordon.

    I pay $80 US for signatures from Ken Thorne and Ron Jones.

    Huh?!

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    posted 02-18-2008 05:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Pre-ordered, Peter! This is gonna be one helluva set. I'm a freakin' huge Superman maniac. I absolutely cannot wait. I can't imagine what I'm in store for. Anticipation is killin' me! KILLIN' ME!!!

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    posted 02-19-2008 01:13 AM PT (US)     

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    Question: is it wise to order from Peter, since this is a limited release? Not that there'll be some sort of ... shortage.
    Because I really want this thing!

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    posted 02-19-2008 11:11 AM PT (US)     

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    Yes it is wise to order from Peter. Peter doesn't screw people over. He is very reliable and trust worthy. I'm sure others can testify to this as well. I have ordered from him before and gotten CD's in a timely manor.

    I think others have also preordered from Peter before and have gotten their orders.

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    posted 02-19-2008 11:28 AM PT (US)     

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    Peter's trustworthyness is not the point. As far as I can see, this is a limited release, and my concern is that companies may not get enough copies for all people who pre-ordered.

    I KNOW Peter is excellent. If I didn't think that, I would order from the source directly.

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    posted 02-19-2008 12:14 PM PT (US)     

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    My guess is that Peter will stop selling it once he's received as many orders as copies he'll be getting. Makes sense and seems logical. If for some reason number of orders goes over what he'll be receiving, I'm sure he'll contact those individuals personally to give them the news. Or, he'll just up his order and accommodate.

    Either way, Peter won't leave people out in the cold.

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    posted 02-19-2008 12:32 PM PT (US)     

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    Number of people who didn't get a limited edition pre-ordered through the MovieMusic store in the entire history of the store: 0

    Ordering from SAE or Intrada or MM is all the same. SAE ships them to retailers at the same time as their customers because SAE manufacturers them and decides on the ship date. Same with Intrada and their releases. These companies decide to do away with pre-announced release dates and up the cost charged to retailers because it's an advantage they have that retailers like myself do not have. If SAE wants close the gates and be the only one allowed to sell FSM, they can.... but who's stupid enough to do that?

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    posted 02-19-2008 01:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Good points Jeron and Peter. gkgyver I am quite confident you will get your copy of the Superman set when Peter gets the ones he ordered.

    Hell even Lukas Kendall said he doesn't suspect this will be fast seller since many people all ready have the Rhino set and judging from what quite a few people from other message boards have said they won't be getting it.

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    posted 02-19-2008 03:50 PM PT (US)     

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    I'd like one but it's not a priority. Especially with the hope and possibility of an indy set on the horizon. It really sucks that FSM had all these delays because I think if this came out a year ago, they'd move this first batch a lot quicker....but there seems to be so many more releases coming out this year. Maybe its just me.

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    posted 02-19-2008 04:28 PM PT (US)     

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    This set is going to be GOLD. It ranks right up there with an Indy set, if there's gonna be one, and it's just as important, if not moreso, than the LOTR Complete Recordings. This is a must-have for any fan of John Williams. You're shooting yourself in the foot if you don't pick it up; the Rhino set is great, but I consider it beginners material compared to the content the Blue Box will offer.

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    posted 02-19-2008 05:10 PM PT (US)     

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    I agree with you on that Jeron. The Rhino set for Superman is an alright presentation but the sound quality is less than desired. If there's any indication that FSM's release will be like the DVD isolated score then it should be a bad ass version of it.

    Then again for the DVD isolated score the original masters were used to remaster the score. No doubt the makers behind this Superman set used the same masters.

    I'm also looking forward to hearing Superman II's complete score in good quality since the bootleg's quality is also less than desired.

    I'll be checking out SAE's site just to see what the track titles are and of course to hear the samples.

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    posted 02-19-2008 05:16 PM PT (US)     

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    I just ordered the boxset. I thought about ordering at Screen Archives but there I have to pay 21 dollars for shipping. At Movie Music it's only 6 dollars.

    [Message edited by Frank V on 02-20-2008]

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    posted 02-20-2008 01:31 PM PT (US)     

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    Order placed!

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    posted 02-21-2008 06:05 AM PT (US)     

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    BLUE BOX FEVER HAS BROKEN... THE SUPERMAN COLLECTION IS HERE!

    Film Score Monthly’s exhaustive 8-disc box set features all four Christopher Reeve Superman scores by John Williams, Ken Thorne, and Alexander Courage PLUS Ron Jones, Giorgio Moroder, and much more!

    Linden, VA - February 21, 2008 - It’s safe to say that there has never been as much anticipation for a soundtrack release as that for the “Blue Box.” Never.

    Among the too-many-to-count speculations, there were a few that were very close. But no one could have guessed the exhaustive extensiveness of the project.

    Yes, the "Blue Box" is finally here and it is Superman: The Music (1978-1988), an 8-CD set of the complete scores to the four Superman movies starring Christopher Reeve, with music for the original by John Williams and adapted by his colleagues Ken Thorne and Alexander Courage for the sequels. Bonus discs include music by Ron Jones for a 1988 Superman animated series and source music for the features, all packaged in a deluxe hardcover slipcase with a 160-page illustrated hardcover book.

    Superman: The Movie (1978) is a score that needs little introduction – it is one of John Williams' glorious "blockbuster" works from the late 1970s in which he nearly singlehandedly revived the symphonic film score. Rousing, tuneful and unforgettable, it is a lynchpin of any soundtrack collection. The film features a kind of tripartite structure, moving from Superman's origin on planet Krypton (given austere, almost Shakespearean colors) to his teenage years in Smallville (scored with beautiful Coplandesque melodies) and his debut in bustling Metropolis, where the film's action, romance and comedy come to the fore in some of Williams' greatest scoring ever. Like the film itself, Williams' music is a perfect combination of heart, humor, myth and drama.

    The music to Superman: The Movie has been released on several occasions, most recently on a 2-CD set from Rhino (now out of print). That album, however, was reconstructed using secondary dubbing elements, as the six-track 35mm music masters were unearthed only afterwards. For this definitive presentation, the entire recording has been painstakingly remixed and remastered from that first-generation source, yielding the best sound quality ever. Discs 1 and 2 of this set present Williams' complete recordings to Superman: The Movie (additional alternates and source music are on disc 8) – including alternate versions never before heard, such as a powerful early version of the Kryptonian villains' banishment to the Phantom Zone.

    Williams was not available to score the Superman sequels, but in each case his music was adapted and re-recorded by one of his colleagues. For Superman II (1980) and Superman III (1983) it was British composer Ken Thorne, who had a long working relationship with director Richard Lester. For Superman II – in which Superman deepens his relationship with Lois Lane and fends off the Kryptonian super villains – Thorne stuck close to Williams’ compositions, stretching and reworking them to fit the drama. The result was a score filled with interesting variations on Williams' cues that beautifully supported the new picture. Thorne's score was released on LP by Warner Bros. Records that surfaced on CD only in a long out-of-print Japanese edition (coupled with the Superman III album). This premiere release of the complete score (doubling the playing time) has been entirely remixed from the 35mm music scoring masters and is found on disc 3.

    Superman III found Superman traveling in a lighter direction to accompany director Lester's sensibilities and that of costar Richard Pryor. Superman defeats a supercomputer financed by industrial tycoon Robert Vaughn and overcomes poisoning by fake kryptonite; his alter ego, Clark Kent, begins a romance with Smallville's Lana Lang (Annette O'Toole). Thorne was given a freer hand with the music and composed a great deal of new material (such as a main title ballet for slapstick on the streets of Metropolis), returning to Williams' themes for key action and character moments more in the Superman mythology. A creative and intriguing work, only 20 minutes of his score were included on the film's 1983 LP (and aforementioned Japanese CD). Disc 4 features his complete Superman III soundtrack, while alternates and source music (including the five tracks by composer/producer Giorgio Moroder) are on disc 8.

    The Holy Grail for Superman music aficionados has been the completely unreleased score to the fourth film, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (1987), for which Williams' themes were adapted by his longtime friend and occasional collaborator, Alexander Courage. With Superman IV being an attempt to restore the quality of the franchise, it was decided that all major Williams themes would be used (where appropriate) in the new score. What's more, Williams himself contributed three new melodies for Courage's use: "Someone Like You," a sultry, sexy melody (recalling the swinging sixties work of "Johnny" Williams) for Mariel Hemingway's character of a young newspaper executive; "Nuclear Man Theme," a driving action theme for the radioactive villain played by Mark Pillow, treated in versions alternately dramatic and comedic; and – sure to be a delightful surprise – "Jeremy's Theme," a lyrical theme for the young boy who appeals to Superman to rid the world of nuclear weapons.

    In addition to being the composer of the original Star Trek theme, Courage was one of the greatest arrangers and orchestrators for Hollywood musicals. That training came to great use in Superman IV as he adapted Williams' melodies into a powerful symphonic work, with imaginative and nuanced renditions of the familiar themes. The film was cut by over a half hour prior to release, with much of Courage's work ending up on the cutting room floor. This presentation (on discs 5 and 6) showcases his score as it was meant to accompany the complete version of the picture – meaning many cues, some comprising entire sequences, have never been heard in any form. His complete score (recorded for scheduling purposes in both Germany and England) has been newly remixed from the original two-inch multitrack masters.

    The second half of disc 6 features the music by the other composer whose work was abridged when Superman IV was cut for release: Paul Fishman, son of composer and music supervisor Jack Fishman and a recording artist with 1980s British techno-pop band Re-Flex. Fishman was hired to provide contemporary pop music primarily for a sequence at the Metro Club discotheque (where the "First Nuclear Man" – a deleted character – shows up to battle Superman). When the character and sequence was cut, it resulted in the deletion of most of Fishman's contributions to the movie (and the cancellation of a planned soundtrack album). The artist has personally remixed an eight-selection presentation of his Superman IV work here.

    If you were the right age to watch Saturday morning cartoons in 1988, you might remember an above-average Superman animated series that aired on CBS, produced by Ruby-Spears Enterprises. Only 13 episodes were made, but the series was noteworthy for its "Superman's Family Album" vignettes of Superman's childhood in Smallville as well as the high quality of its animation – and music. Ron Jones (today of Family Guy, then of Duck Tales and Star Trek: The Next Generation) was hired to bring a symphonic feature-film touch to the show's soundtrack. He recorded a combination of original (to-picture) scoring and library music in the style of his powerful Star Trek music – and done in the best tradition of Williams' blockbuster work like Star Wars and Superman, one of the inspirations for Jones' career. Ruby-Spears licensed Williams' Superman theme for use in the show's main title; the series' theme was otherwise a similar heroic march written by Jones. This is some of the best music ever created for 1980s children's animation and truly belongs in a collection of theatrical Superman music. Jones' score to the 1988 Superman comprises disc 7 of the box set, rounding out a full decade of music for the iconic character.

    As indicated above, disc 8 of the set collects alternates and source music for Superman: The Movie, Superman II and Superman III which would not fit on discs 1-4, respectively. This includes previously unreleased radio source music by Williams heard only in the extended television broadcast as well as cues written by Thorne for similar purposes in the sequels. The eight discs are packaged in two "clamshell" or "butterfly" cases – four discs to each case – and the two cases placed along with a 160-page hardcover book in an equally durable blue slipcase with silver "S" insignia! The 160-page book sets a new bar for a soundtrack presentation. The table of contents are:

    4 Introduction: Music That Becomes an Icon
    6 Overview: A History of Heroic Music
    8 Superman: The Movie: This Is No Fantasy
    11 John Williams: Composer of Legend
    29 Disc 1: Superman: The Movie, Part 1
    44 Disc 2: Superman: The Movie, Part 2
    55 Interview: In Williams's Own Words
    58 Musical Analysis: The Making of the "March"
    60 Superman II: A Return to Glory
    64 Ken Thorne: Composer of Choice
    68 Disc 3: Superman II
    84 Superman III: Laughter in the Air
    87 Disc 4: Superman III
    104 Superman IV: The Quest for Peace: Facing New Challenges
    109 Alexander Courage: The Consummate Musician
    114 Disc 5: Superman IV, Part 1
    126 Disc 6: Superman IV, Part 2
    133 Source Music and Songs by Paul Fishman
    136 Superman (1988): Animated Rebirth
    141 Disc 7: Superman (1988)
    152 Alternates, Source Music and Songs: Extra!
    153 Disc 8: Superman: The Movie, Superman II and Superman III
    156 Yes, Giorgio! Songs by Giorgio Moroder
    160 Album Production Credits

    The scores are essayed in unprecedented cue-by-cue detail, articles augmented by new interview material with John Williams, Ken Thorne, Ron Jones, Paul Fishman, Eric Tomlinson, Angela Morley, Leslie Bricusse, Margot Kidder, Richard Donner, Tom Mankiewicz and Ilya Salkind – the largest collection of Superman music journalism and documentation ever attempted, written by Mike Matessino, Lukas Kendall and Jeff Eldridge. Superman: The Music (1978-1988) is produced by Mike Matessino and Lukas Kendall, with art direction by FSM's regular designer, Joe Sikoryak. Our gracious thanks to: Warner Bros. Records and Warner Bros. Entertainment who have licensed these historic recordings, as well as the photographs and artwork contained in the packaging; the creators for their time and recollections; and the composers and recording artists for their gifts and inspiration, particularly John Williams.

    The set also celebrates the Man of Steel's official birthday of February 29 as well as a triple anniversary year... The character made his debut 70 years ago when Action Comics #1 hit newsstands, and 30 years ago, on December 15, 1978, Superman: The Movie was released, introducing audiences to Christopher Reeve's indelible portrayal and John Williams' classic themes. Additionally, Warner Bros., the studio behind the Superman series, celebrates its 85th anniversary in 2008. With SUPERMAN: THE MUSIC, Film Score Monthly delivers a release befitting this multi-tiered celebration.

    The set is available as a limited edition of 3,000.

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    posted 02-21-2008 01:16 PM PT (US)     

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    Thanks for posting this here, as SAE site is really slow!

    Good info. Places your orders!


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    posted 02-21-2008 01:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Slow? It's been down for 30 minutes now.

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    posted 02-21-2008 01:30 PM PT (US)     

     Frank V
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    For pictures of the set see: www.capedwonder.com

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    posted 02-21-2008 01:33 PM PT (US)     

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    *Drool*

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    posted 02-21-2008 01:38 PM PT (US)     

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    You're right... SAE is totally offline now. Not good at all.

    I've checked other places and it's safe to say at this moment the only place to secure your box is here.

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    posted 02-21-2008 01:59 PM PT (US)     

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    Guess we all are "attacking" the SAE server right now... and Peter kudos for yours being up :-)

    Business should be good....

    FoobsZ

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    posted 02-21-2008 02:03 PM PT (US)     

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    Thanks for the link, Frank! How do we like those 32kbps Real Audio clips on that page?!? Stellar!!!

    I guess the MovieMusic server is the real man of steel this hour....


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    posted 02-21-2008 02:14 PM PT (US)     

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    Peter,

    I do sincerely hope you are able to get your copies ordered. It's hilarious to read people's reactions over at FSM.

    Also yes the sound quality for the samples SUCK ASS.

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    posted 02-21-2008 02:21 PM PT (US)     

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    SAE has just informed me they have no more copies available. I think they are limiting stock to other retailers because they need the sales.

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    posted 02-21-2008 02:23 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm going to try and word this correctly so as not to incur anyone's wrath...

    Why, pray tell, should I fork out 120 crisp dollars for this set?

    a) I admit to never hearing a single note from any of the scores of Superman 2-4.
    b) I only recently got the Rhino set, after having the original 1CD release. I love them, and was very glad I got the 2CD upgrade.
    c) From the above description, the scores to 2 and 3 seem to be 'variations on a theme', by composers whom I am not (Thorne) or barely (Courage) familiar with.
    d) There's also the animated series guy, whom I have never heard of.

    On the other hand:
    The boxset looks great
    There are new Williams themes in 4
    The sound quality is apparently excellent (was the Rhino that bad?)


    Your advice, kind sirs?

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    posted 02-21-2008 02:28 PM PT (US)     

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    If it's a matter of SAE cutting off other retailers, I'm committed to making sure all orders received here are filled. If there's a limit they want to impose on retailers, there should a courtesy email way ahead of time regarding this. Big fumble.

    I feel insult for all the support I've given FSM in the MM store.

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    posted 02-21-2008 02:37 PM PT (US)     

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    Are you sure it's not because the set is sold out? We're used to sales only film music fans would be interested in, this has much broader appeal.

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    posted 02-21-2008 02:40 PM PT (US)     

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    I don't blame you for feeling insulted. I agree they should have notified their retailers ahead of time if there was going to be a cut off. This is definitely no way to treat customers. FSM and SAE should have known better this would be a big attracter and should have been more prepared for this.

    I myself forgot that comic book fans would be interested in this set.

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    posted 02-21-2008 02:40 PM PT (US)     

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    I doubt all 3,000 copies would have gone this fast....

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    posted 02-21-2008 02:41 PM PT (US)     

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    There is no way the set could have sold out, my belief. The SAE site has been down since ordering started, and no one is taking orders over the phone that fast!

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    posted 02-21-2008 02:46 PM PT (US)     

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    Looks like those at FSM who have waited an hour and half on the SAE site are still able to place and confirm their orders. For such a well-produced set, it's amazing how disastrous everything else about it has been.

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    posted 02-21-2008 02:53 PM PT (US)     

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    So how's it going Peter?

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    posted 02-21-2008 03:07 PM PT (US)     

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    FSM/SAE wants MovieMusic to stop selling until they get their site fixed. "Turn it off on your site."

    This is too bad.

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    posted 02-21-2008 03:22 PM PT (US)     

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    That's funny, because their screwed-up site isn't stopping them from selling copies, so why should it hinder those ordering from MM's site?

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    posted 02-21-2008 03:26 PM PT (US)     

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    That's a good point AI. Man this has just been one huge joke from SAE. I hope they're more prepared next time for the next box set that FSM releases, if they do another one again...

    Edit: BTW Intrada also has the set up for sale on their site. Is SAE telling Intrada not to sell the set on their site until SAE can get their site working? This is pretty lame honestly.

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