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    Topic:   Fantasy scores, alive and well!

     PeterK
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    Hey, what's your favorite fantasy score? There's always gonna be that long ago favorite that hooked you on movie music, but lately, wow... the revival seems to be nearing a peak in 2008.

    Starting in 2003 with LOTR's first-ever Best Picture win for a fantasy film, things have gotten out of hand in a good way.

    A friend of mine who loves fantasy scores recently sent an email about what's coming this year:

    TREASURED ISLAND (Nicholas Dodd)
    THE SPIDERWICK CHRONICLES (James Horner)
    INKHEART (Javier Navarrete)
    HORTON HEARS A WHO (John Powell)
    NIM'S ISLAND (Patrick Doyle)
    NARNIA: PRINCE CASPIAN (Harry Gregson-Williams)
    SPEED RACER (Michael Giacchino)
    KUNG FU PANDA (Hans Zimmer)
    WALL - E (Thomas Newman)
    THE MUMMY 3 - TOMB OF THE DRAGON EMPEROR (Randy Edelman)
    CITY OF EMBER (Douglas Pipes)
    HARRY POTTER AND THE HALF-BLOOD PRINCE (Nicholas Hooper)
    THE TINKER BELL MOVIE (Joel McNeely)
    THE NUTCRACKER - THE UNTOLD STORY (Tim Rice & Eduard Artmiev & Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky)
    SNOW PRINCESS (Alan Williams)
    THE LITTLE MERMAID III (James Michael Dooley)
    BUNYAN AND BABE (???)
    GNOMEO AND JULIET (Elton John & Tim Rice)
    WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE (???)


    Can't wait for Doyle.... there may be hope in Horner (it's his best genre), and Navarrete? You bet.

    Pre-orders for Treasured Island are good... I can't tell just yet, but that will likely go the way of George and the Dragon quickly. If so, order yours before it's too late:
    http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/treasuredisland


    Now, on to the discussion.

    Let's talk favorite fantasy score from 2007. Anyone?

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    posted 01-04-2008 10:50 AM PT (US)     

     Squiddybop
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    Yup, pretty interesting stuff on the way. Of that list, I'm most looking forward to Navarrete's Inkheart. One that's not listed that I can't wait to hear is Joe Hisaishi's score to Miyazaki's Ponyo on a Cliff. The theme song was recently released in Japan, and from the sound of it the score might be a bit like My Neighbor Totoro. The Ponyo image album is set for a March release.

    Of the 2007 fantasy scores, I don't think they came much better that Jane Antonia Cornish's De Fortabte sjæles ø (The Island of Lost Souls) and Joe Hisaishi's Taio Shijinki (Four Gods). I also enjoyed Yang Bang Ean's score to Yobi, the Five-tailed Fox and James Newton Howard's score for The Water Horse.

    NP: Watashitachi no Kyokasho (Taro Iwashiro)

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    posted 01-04-2008 11:07 AM PT (US)     

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    Fantasy scores from the last year? AT WORLD'S END, ISLAND OF LOST SOULS and THE GOLDEN COMPASS come to mind for me. Parts of MAGORIUM were very nice too.

    From the year before? LADY IN THE WATER stands out in my memory. SOUL OF THE ULTIMATE NATION was also very good.

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    posted 01-04-2008 01:25 PM PT (US)     

     Kirkinson
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    quote:
    Originally posted by PeterK:
    THE NUTCRACKER - THE UNTOLD STORY (Tim Rice & Eduard Artmiev & Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky)

    I assume that's really Eduard Artemiev of Solaris, Siberiade, The Mirror, House of Fools, etc.? IMDb also credits this mysterious "Artmiev" (missing a syllable) but it's his only credit and Andrei Konchalovsky (the director) has worked with Artemiev several times.

    Next question: what the hell is this? A musical based on Tchaikovsky's ballet adapted by Eduard Artemiev with lyrics by Time Rice? Wild.

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    posted 01-04-2008 04:55 PM PT (US)     

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    Pre-orders for Treasured Island are good... I can't tell just yet, but that will likely go the way of George and the Dragon quickly. If so, order yours before it's too late

    After reading your warning, I thought I should, until I read the reviews at imdb. Apparently this movie is "absolute rubbish" and "beyond bad", and should be avoided at all costs. Of course that doesn't mean the music is bad... but when I buy a soundtrack from a bad movie it's usually because I like the composer. Here we have a bad movie (according to three one-star reviews) from an unknown (to me) composer.

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    posted 01-04-2008 05:00 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by dkfz:
    Pre-orders for Treasured Island are good... I can't tell just yet, but that will likely go the way of George and the Dragon quickly. If so, order yours before it's too late

    After reading your warning, I thought I should, until I read the reviews at imdb. Apparently this movie is "absolute rubbish" and "beyond bad", and should be avoided at all costs. Of course that doesn't mean the music is bad... but when I buy a soundtrack from a bad movie it's usually because I like the composer. Here we have a bad movie (according to three one-star reviews) from an unknown (to me) composer.


    Well, you could try listening to the sample to make an informed opinion:
    http://www.moviescoremedia.com/audio/treasured.mp3

    James


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    posted 01-04-2008 05:23 PM PT (US)     

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    some comments on Spiderwick Chronicles at the moviemusicuk.us forums were not too favorable. (I guess its alerady available on iTunes or something?

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    posted 01-04-2008 08:59 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    I wouldn't be shocked, TJ. Horner's glory days are long gone....

    dkfz, I saw that too, the "rubbish" comment, about Treasured Island. But then, I don't recall any comments about George and the Dragon other than it's good for 6 year olds... and look, that CD sold out quickly. BUT, if you know David Arnold's work, you know very well what Nicolas Dodd sounds like!

    [Message edited by PeterK on 01-04-2008]

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    posted 01-04-2008 09:04 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    BUT, if you know David Arnold's work, you know very well what Nicolas Dodd sounds like!

    Keep in mind people said the same things about films he orchestrated for CLINT MANSELL and one of the DANNA's and I for one through stuff like SAHARA was mediocre compared to the classic Arnold stuff that Dodd has worked on...but maybe its just me.


    I like the sound clip, although it doesn't sound very original....do you know how long that CD is, Peter?

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    posted 01-04-2008 09:14 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    I know nuhsing.

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    posted 01-04-2008 09:43 PM PT (US)     

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    If you look at the id3 tag of that track it says track 1 of 49 !!!
    So makes 29:11.

    [Message edited by TimT on 01-04-2008]

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    posted 01-04-2008 10:35 PM PT (US)     

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    Yeah, "Spiderwick" is not great.

    I'm really excited for Inkheart. After
    "Pan's," Navarrete's on my radar.

    And of course Narnia, Wall-E and Potter...but a new Hisaishi? Sign me up for that! I wish more of his music would be released State side.

    --Brian

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    posted 01-05-2008 02:40 AM PT (US)     

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    I can't wait to hear what Nicholas Dodd does. And Powell doing fantasy, count me in. Edelman will be interesting if he uses a full, real orchestra. Spiderwick an obvious dud -- haven't you guys given up on Horner yet? Doyle will be good. Narnia will be a bore. The new Potter Hooper score will bore me just like the last one did. And a new McNeely is great, why can't he do less of these child movies though, I want more stuff like Soldier, Virus or Terminal Velocity.

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    posted 01-05-2008 08:18 AM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Mentioning Joe Hisaishi had me thinking...

    Was there ever a US release of "Tales from Earthsea"?

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    posted 01-05-2008 10:29 AM PT (US)     

     Al
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    The highlight of Spiderwick is when Horner quotes Casper's lullaby. I know it's like beating a dead horse talking about Horner quoting himself, but come on, he's practically doing the same thing. But honestly, it was one of the few moments that made my ears perk up. Other than that, nothing much doing.

    He does still show off his skill for adding that extra touch to the orchestration, those personal flourishes of bells, harpischord, etc. Or rather, his orchestrators still show off their skill for it. But it's a bit of a treat to the ears when those little details are lacking from a lot of modern film music.

    Regardless, the score sounded awfully uninspired to me. There were plenty of moments when a bold Horner theme could have bursted forth, such as "Flight of the Griffin," in which the orchestra crescendoes, ready to burst into a glorious soaring theme, and... no. It's a painfully... slow... string... theme...

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    posted 01-05-2008 12:15 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    Mentioning Joe Hisaishi had me thinking...

    Was there ever a US release of "Tales from Earthsea"?


    Were you asking about the score or the film? In either case, the answer would be no. The film is still held up because of a rights issue caused by the Sci-Fi Channel Earthsea miniseries, which of course means the score never came out her either. If I'm not mistraken, there was actually an English language dub track and subtitles on the Japanese DVD, and if you want Tamiya Terashima's score without paying over $20, you could always get the fully licensed Korean release of the score.

    http://us.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/code-j/section-music/pid-1004479599/

    It's pretty good, though I don't think it even begins to compare to Hisaishi's Ghibli scores.

    NP: 3:10 to Yuma (Marco Beltrami)

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    posted 01-05-2008 02:36 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Spiderwick pre-order now up:

    http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/spiderwickchronicles

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    posted 01-08-2008 11:18 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Spiderwick track names and times now up! Beefy release... listening now. I am sure there are many things to find fault here, but I'm enjoying some of it.

    Those closing credits are a wonderful string symphony that slows to an absolute crawl at the end. If we are listening intently, it means we're removing ourselves from the chaos of the world... hopefully not looking at a computer or experiencing any other distraction. It's a simple passage that takes hold of us for a few moments. It's a great effect, especially if you are a busy monster and allow this to make you stop everything.

    "Flight of the Griffin" did explode a couple of times, but did not soar... "So Many New Worlds Revealed" is particularly good in understated discovery... but then the best moment arrives with a beautiful theme that lasts a mere 20 seconds in this glorious form... I haven't checked my Casper theme, that might have been it. Liked it, though.

    Anyway, I think people who cherish Horner's fantasy scores will love this. 70+ minutes, so it's loaded. If Horner scores 1 film a year or less, we all should be good with it.

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    posted 01-18-2008 10:33 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Track times for the CD are here:
    http://www.soundtrackinfo.com/title/tracks.asp?spiderwickchronicles

    I don't know if they differ from the iTunes offering...

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    posted 01-18-2008 10:34 AM PT (US)     

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    Ok, few more notes now that I've given it a full once-through. Tracks 6-8 made for good listening... sequenced well, and track 13 showed some unique energy and excitement. This CD is not even close to the real Horner stinkers. That's my final answer!

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    posted 01-18-2008 11:22 AM PT (US)     

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    I'll wait til I hear sound clips.

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    posted 01-18-2008 11:56 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Clips can make this sound like the most awesome thing ever, or the worst! It depends on which of the 4,260 seconds are sampled.... There's a lot of beef... or fat... on this CD.

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    posted 01-18-2008 02:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Clemmenson gave it cuatro estrellas:
    http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/spiderwick_chronicles.html

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    posted 01-19-2008 08:11 PM PT (US)     

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    So I caught Spiderwick this afternoon to check out the Indy teaser. The teaser I thought was subpar in its editing, a little too choppy, and I had trouble hearing the dialogue, but I did get pretty excited when that Indy theme first started to kick in.

    Spiderwick I enjoyed more than expected. I admired the tight script and was surprised to see John Sayles credited as one of the screenwriters. And oh, how nice it is to have a fantasy film that is wrapped up in around an hour and forty minutes, as opposed to being spread out into multiple films.

    I was also surprised at how the problems I had with Horner's score on album disappeared when I heard it in the film. First of all, the film is a little over an hour and a half, so Horner's 70 minute score practically fills the entire film - and still managed to hit every note perfectly. That's an accomplishment in itself.

    Also, it now made sense that this wasn't in the same bold vein as his 80s fantasy-scores, as this movie was a more intimate affair - most of the action is centered around the house, so the lack of huge themes works in its favor. And that Flight of the Griffin cue I was complaining about? Doesn't quite soar on CD, but it does the trick on screen. And the quoting of Casper's lullaby, while I still think is a tad shameless, lends the accompanying scenes with considerable weight.

    Overall, solid work all around, and it's with joyful relief that I find myself actually enjoying a modern Horner score again.


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    posted 02-24-2008 04:36 PM PT (US)     

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    Listening to Spiderwick right now...other than the pointless inclusion of Casper's Lullaby, I must agree with Peter...a decent return to form for Horner.

    Perhaps my expectations have hit rock bottom for him, but this was surprised me.

    I also agree with the comments about tracks 6-8. The last minute of A Desperate Run Through the Tunnels (#8) is quite nice.

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    posted 03-03-2008 09:10 PM PT (US)     

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    A much better Horner score than expected, but as usual it's a godawful recording - it sounds like I'm listening to the orchestra through 13 inches of glass! His CD's have been this way for many years however so I should be used to them by now. (The contrast was all the more glaring today on headphones after listening to it straight after Klute, a 30 year old score with an amazingly vivid sound, though I admit of course, that there were probably eighty less players in the room!)

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    posted 03-04-2008 06:23 PM PT (US)     

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    Something I wanted to bring up to Peter about the poll: I wanted to vote for Navarette's Pan's Labyrinth because I think that, too, is a fantasy score and one of my favorites (it's certainly grown on me). Next, time, please include an, "All of these aren't that great, so my choice isn't listed"-choice.

    That said, I voted for Beowulf which I thought was a fun score in a very overlooked movie. The director's cut is fantastic (though I never saw it i theaters so I don't know what's different).

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    posted 03-05-2008 10:23 AM PT (US)     

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    Pan's Labyrinth counts as recent? When the word "recent" was included in the question, I kinda bookmarked the last three months within that term. I didn't have time to make a poll with 50 choices, if ya follow. "other" is a pretty good recent fantasy score, though, so it should have been included. Sorry!

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    posted 03-05-2008 08:57 PM PT (US)     

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    Sorry Andrew, but Navarrete's score is pretty dead in the water when you line it up against THE GOLDEN COMPASS score. If compositional prowess is a criteria, that is.

    Naturally, I'm lost for words to explain STARDUST's ongoing appeal, or the score of BEOWULF for that matter.

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    posted 03-05-2008 09:26 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by franz_conrad:
    Naturally, I'm lost for words to explain STARDUST's ongoing appeal, or the score of BEOWULF for that matter.

    That's because you're Australian. Or Austrian. Or whatever.

    [Message edited by Jeron on 03-06-2008]

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    posted 03-06-2008 01:22 AM PT (US)     

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    "We are all... Austrians."

    (I dare to quote THE SOUND OF MUSIC in this hive of masculine paranoia.)

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    posted 03-06-2008 01:50 AM PT (US)     

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    Still haven't heard The Golden Compass, Michael . . .

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