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Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Disney offers up 22 minutes of music for around 8 bucks at the normal iTunes compression. --Brian
posted 12-18-2007 11:58 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Bought it. The only worthy track is "Page 47," which is a reprise of the main theme from the first film, only this time there's added strings and a violin solo, that smacks of Richard Tognetti's work in Master And Commander and James Newton Howard's "Gravel Road" theme from The Village; it isn't original, but it's fun. Funny enough, the opening of the new (love, perhaps?) theme introduced at the beginning of "Cibola" is an almost exact rip-off of John Williams's "Luke And Leia" theme for Return Of The Jedi... Now, that caught me off guard! (LOL! I bet Rabin has never even heard that theme, either.) Little to no effort has been put into the production of these uploads... at 01:30 into "Cibola" there's an awkward and abrupt stop to the music as one of those old wild west saloon pianos plays until 01:43 before the actual music resumes; it's obviously source material for the actual scene, but it's incredibly distracting: It's almost as if an isolated score was ripped and then uploaded to iTunes (that wouldn't surprise me). [Message edited by sean on 12-19-2007]
posted 12-19-2007 01:38 AM PT (US)

John Steel Standard Userer	Is there any hope for an official release?
posted 12-19-2007 11:43 AM PT (US)

Bond1965 Standard Userer	Doubtful to me. Disney/Hollywood Records/Miramax are tending to do the iTunes only releases on most of their soundtracks these days. UNDERDOG, GONE BABY GONE, THE DIVING BELL & THE BUTTERFLY, DEJA VU, etc. are all download only. They make the exception for stuff like ENCHANTED. James
posted 12-19-2007 11:51 AM PT (US)

John Steel Standard Userer	But NT was a very successful movie in 2004, I think the sequel will do just as well in the box office as the first one. In that case i think we could expect an album. If not...well 22 minutes are more than nothing.
posted 12-19-2007 12:24 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Its nothing as far as I'm concerned. If i'm not getting a disc, you're not getting my money. The first score is great....not hearing very many good things about the 2nd one so i probably won't even bother to try and track it down through other methods, heh.
posted 12-19-2007 12:30 PM PT (US)

Jasom Standard Userer	So I saw this movie today and I must say that I really enjoyed it. Much more than Sweeny Todd, but that's because I'm not much of a Sondheim fan. I also enjoyed the music as well. Though I swear that during the end credits it said "soundtrack available on Walt Disney Records" but I only caught a glimpse of it cause some kid distracted me while looking for his hat he left behind. I hope this does mean a soundtrack will eventually come out. I'm on the same page as tjguitar, if there is no disc, then i'll deal with out it. Jasom
posted 12-22-2007 03:01 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	That violin solo during the end credits was a nice surprise, but it lasted all of thirty seconds before it was back to sounding like a retread of The 6th Day.
posted 12-22-2007 10:13 PM PT (US)

StarlessWinter Standard Userer	That violin solo doesn't sound anything like The Gravel Road...
posted 12-23-2007 12:54 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Originally posted by StarlessWinter: *That violin solo doesn't sound anything like The Gravel Road...* Yeah, it does sound something like The Village: The opening violin phrase of "Page 47" (heard on its own before the rest of the orchestra joins in from 00:00-00:04 and continues the undercurrent performance until 01:18, where the film's main theme takes whole altogether) is an obvious rip of Richard Tognetti's string work from Master And Commander: The Far Side Of The World ("The Far Side Of The World," 05:57-06:15, and so on). Where The Village comes into play during "Page 47" (the violin solo at 00:36-01:09), Rabin's stringed performance again of his main theme is obviously mirrored (performance, not notes) on the "Gravel Road" theme, also heard prominently during "What Are You Asking Me?" and "Those We Don't Speak Of" from the James Newton Howard score. ...Someone likes Rabin, A LOT. [Message edited by sean on 12-23-2007]
posted 12-23-2007 01:12 AM PT (US)

StarlessWinter Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: ...Someone likes Rabin, A LOT. Is that directed toward me or is that about yourself? If it's about me, I don't really find Rabin all that amazing. And I'm only basing this off of one sample listen of "Page 47." Anyway, what do you mean about the "performance, not the notes"? I listen to The Village all the time, and the only similarity I hear is in the actual instrument itself.
posted 12-23-2007 12:15 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by StarlessWinter: *Anyway, what do you mean about the "performance, not the notes"? I listen to The Village* all the time, and the only similarity I hear is in the actual instrument itself.** That's what I think he meant. The melody is not "note for note" but just meant to evoke the sound that JNH created. It's also called being a temp track influence, not temp track copy.
posted 12-23-2007 02:32 PM PT (US)

StarlessWinter Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by HadrianD: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by StarlessWinter: [b] Anyway, what do you mean about the "performance, not the notes"? I listen to The Village all the time, and the only similarity I hear is in the actual instrument itself. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> That's what I think he meant. The melody is not "note for note" but just meant to evoke the sound that JNH created. It's also called being a temp track influence, not temp track copy.[/B] Well, then couldn't any use of the solo violin be labeled as "Village-influenced"? That's not exactly fair in my opinion.
posted 12-23-2007 04:10 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by StarlessWinter: Well, then couldn't any use of the solo violin be labeled as "Village-influenced"? That's not exactly fair in my opinion. No, that's outrageous. The performance of the solo violin in The Village is specific to that film, and so it was clearly temped into National Treasure: Book Of Secrets (and Rabin followed suit); what you're writing is that all solo violin performances sound the same, they don't.
posted 12-23-2007 10:22 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	It sounds like The Village. And Master and Commander. And it's quite a silly little score.
posted 12-23-2007 11:14 PM PT (US)

StarlessWinter Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by StarlessWinter: [b] Well, then couldn't any use of the solo violin be labeled as "Village-influenced"? That's not exactly fair in my opinion. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> No, that's outrageous. The performance of the solo violin in The Village is specific to that film, and so it was clearly temped into National Treasure: Book Of Secrets (and Rabin followed suit); what you're writing is that all solo violin performances sound the same, they don't.[/B] Well, of course they don't. I'm not saying they are; that's what it seemed like YOU were implying, but nevermind...it's a silly argument. I see what you mean.
posted 12-24-2007 01:05 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	The background of Page 47 is the exact background of Those We Don't Speak of (2:37) and I believe The Gravel Road from The Village, just sped up. There's also another score that sounds just like this but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. But if I remember correctly, there's another score of Rabin's that copies The Village. Or elese I am experiencing Deja Vu.
posted 12-24-2007 02:50 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	saw the film, it was as entertaining as the first one, i was disappointed that he only revisited the themes from the first film a couple of times. I definitely heard some familair music---but I doubt that it's from The Village. I haven't heard that score, but that shamalayn JNH stuff tends to be melancholy and stuff and Rabin's music here was anything but.
posted 12-26-2007 05:32 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Really fun movie, wish there'd be a CD for it. --Brian
posted 12-26-2007 09:07 PM PT (US)

Jasom Standard Userer	So i saw this movie again with a friend and I stayed through the credits again and sure enough, it said "soundtrack available on Walt Disney Records," so i hope this means there will be a cd released soon. Jason
posted 12-27-2007 09:17 AM PT (US)

Jasom Standard Userer	So i just sent an email to Maria Kleinman, who is the media relations for Walt Disney Records, and asked her if there were any plans to release National Treasure 2 on cd and she resonded "No cd, digital only" That stinks. Jason
posted 12-27-2007 11:05 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Originally posted by tjguitar: I definitely heard some familair music---but I doubt that it's from The Village. I haven't heard that score, but that shamalayn JNH stuff tends to be melancholy and stuff and Rabin's music here was anything but. If you haven't heard it, why are you adding your useless 2-cents? And the music we (Andrew, Clayton, and I) are referring to isn't anything like what you just mentioned. Also, the music in M. Night Shyamalan's movies isn't always "melancholy and stuff," far from it; pay better attention before you try to argue for the sake of arguing. [Message edited by sean on 12-27-2007]
posted 12-27-2007 12:51 PM PT (US)

Bond1965 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jasom: So i just sent an email to Maria Kleinman, who is the media relations for Walt Disney Records, and asked her if there were any plans to release National Treasure 2 on cd and she resonded "No cd, digital only" That stinks. Jason Then I won't feel guilty when someone in Europe bootlegs it and sells a longer version. James
posted 12-27-2007 01:38 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	I say let Disney do their iTunes only crap...but at least do it at iTunes Plus encode. The 128 crap is really annoying. --Brian NP: AVPR [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 12-27-2007]
posted 12-27-2007 02:52 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: I say let Disney do their iTunes only crap...but at least do it at iTunes Plus encode. The 128 crap is really annoying. --Brian NP: AVPR [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 12-27-2007] Absolutely, especially with instrumental stuff. Strings sound just horrible due to compression. As for TJ, there is another score that the first track sounds like and I can't remember what it is. But it deffinately does sound like The Village (I even listed the tracks if you wanna listen to samples of them or something to see).
posted 12-27-2007 04:16 PM PT (US)

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