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    Topic:   The Golden Compass - more the film than the score

     franz_conrad
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    I've been reading the Pullman trilogy recently, and I'm glad they did - they've restored my faith in the fantasy genre as a literary thing.

    I was very dismayed however to learn that the forthcoming film of THE GOLDEN COMPASS has made a late post-production decision to push the final - and pivotal - three chapters of the novel to the next film in the series. It's hard to believe that's going to work at all... are they trying to make it look like the film has a clear ending, in case the film fails at the box office and they don't want to feel bad about not making the subsequent entries?
    http://www.bridgetothestars.net/news/the-golden-compass-ending-altered/

    Those narrative events are the ending of a film, not the beginning. Bizarre decision...

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    posted 11-12-2007 04:42 AM PT (US)     

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    I don't know, having not read the novels (though, if I do like the film as much as I hope, I will be purchasing them) but Pullman's comments seem genuine so try not to worry your little Aussie hide their, Mikey.

    Just put on some Brian Costa music and relax.

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    posted 11-12-2007 02:38 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by nuts_score:
    Just put on some Brian Costa music and relax.

    Glory?

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    posted 11-12-2007 02:44 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by nuts_score:
    I don't know, having not read the novels (though, if I do like the film as much as I hope, I will be purchasing them)

    I'd be making a priority of getting them in before the film forces you to imagine them a certain way. And then you will agree with me, muhahahahah!

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    posted 11-12-2007 03:08 PM PT (US)     

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    I have kinda a bad feeling about this film.

    No real reason why; just a spidey sense. This news just plays into my feeling.

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    posted 11-12-2007 05:06 PM PT (US)     

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    Mess of a film. Changes represent subtleties? Uh huh.

    Book is clearly anti-Catholic, film watered down to be more broadly anti-dogmatic, but then anti-religious folk get mad because it's not anti-Catholic enough. Anti-religious people say "heart" of film has been ripped out because of taking all the anti-Catholic stuff out. But really, all that's happened is they've taken away pronouns associated with Catholicism (aside from "Magisterium"). It's still anti-Catholic in the literal sense of attacking universal humanitarian truths. Whether or not you care about the apparent religious outcries, the core story has been compromised and its power diminished in a veiled hope of dragging out the hopeless message behind the book.

    This film is rough seas as it tries to appease all. It will likely end up failing all. Pass!

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    posted 11-12-2007 05:59 PM PT (US)     

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    I haven't finished the trilogy of books yet, so I could be way off, but it doesn't quite seem to be the atheistic work I expected. The first two books seem alive to a world beyond the physical, and most passionately negative towards those who manipulate power for ill, whether it be the Magisterium (a strange blend of Calvinism and the Inquisition), the mercantilist intellectuals of the Crossroads world, or the intelligence services subtling governing life in our own world. Whatever they do, they should hold truth to that position.

    It's not like THE DAVINCI CODE anyway, where the world is indistinguishable from our own, and the 'threat to faith' is at least credible. What person who could understand the Pullman books could see them as anything other than a brilliant blend of scientific possibility with a storyteller's skill?

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    posted 11-12-2007 07:47 PM PT (US)     

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    Whoa, seriously guys! These books sound like I gotta read them!

    Anti-Catholicism, anti-Authoritarian? I just wanted to see it because it was Chris Weitz's first undertaking of a serious film and it had Daniel Craig, Eva Green, and Sam Elliot. Now it seems like those will just be some nice icing on in already appealing cake batter!

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    posted 11-12-2007 09:25 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:

    Glory?

    Nah, I was thinking more of his rejected score for TimeCop 3. Ever since I did that interview with Joe Roth and we were discussing it I've been playing it constantly. I love track 13, "Van (God) Damme It!". The taiko drums are cah-razy!


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    posted 11-12-2007 09:27 PM PT (US)     

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    The trilogy is more anti-authoritarian than anti-religion or anti-God. It's also (I must say) not a very good trilogy. The first two books were terrific to OK. The final book was bloated and insufferable.

    I'll see the first movie but I'm not really breathless with anticipation over the prospect of two more of these films.

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    posted 11-15-2007 03:56 PM PT (US)     

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    I enjoyed the first two books immensely, but I'm about halfway through the last one, and I'll agree it isn't quite on the same level. The action has become too fragmented in a RETURN OF THE JEDI / RETURN OF THE KING sort of way to really work as well. Still, the second half could be an improvement.

    [Message edited by franz_conrad on 11-15-2007]

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    posted 11-15-2007 04:24 PM PT (US)     

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    Ok, have now finished the books. While I DO think that the third doesn't quite grip in the way the first two do, it has a very powerful conclusion. I fear that two young actors that good don't exist!

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    posted 11-18-2007 04:23 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by franz_conrad:
    Ok, have now finished the books. While I DO think that the third doesn't quite grip in the way the first two do, it has a very powerful conclusion. I fear that two young actors that good don't exist!

    How about they just de-age Sean and I? Like that technique they used in X-Men Trois: The Last Stand Until We Make Another One and Drive It Farther into the Ground.

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    posted 11-18-2007 08:54 PM PT (US)     

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    I didn't so much think of XMEN3 as ruining the series so much as tapping into the level of respect it merited. (Though John Ottman's shrill trumpet theme for the second film came close to being appropriately tacky, I must say.)

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    posted 11-18-2007 09:52 PM PT (US)     

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    Interesting article about the role of religion in the film adaptation just around the corner:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/religious-movies

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    posted 12-06-2007 07:52 PM PT (US)     

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    [Message edited by franz_conrad on 12-27-2007]

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    posted 12-25-2007 12:55 AM PT (US)     

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    Now I've seen the film...

    Firstly, I'm surprised I was correct about 95% of the time in terms of what theme applied to which character, and what would be onscreen. Film music is more predictable than I thought!

    Secondly, the film was a disappointment for me. Four things particularly hurt it from my perspective:

    (i) As a writer and director, Chris Weitz delivers SO MUCH of the necessary info via expository dialogue. It's a great shame he didn't construct his film with more imaginative use of the power of images.

    (ii) Editorially, this film was cut to the bone. Every scene and sequence is as short as it can possibly be, which produces a film that doesn't necessary feel as short as it possibly could have. Because of the wealth of exposition, and the constant need to move onto another story, the film feels like it's really rushing to get to things. They really should have let the film breathe a lot more, particularly if less dialogue-driven / atmospheric material got the cut. The shuffling of the scenes and cutting of others led to some bad music edits in particular. (Thinking of the cut from Asriel's capture to the Gyptian journey in particular.)

    (iv) The restructure doesn't really work. I can see why the Lord Asriel portion at the end has been held off, but the only reason that works is because the film has been so haphazardly restructured in the first place. Lyra is kidnapped by samoyeds (who work for the Magisterium) and taken to... Svalbard, land of the polar bears?! Scorsesby and Iorek are suddenly up in the air in his airship, having been seen moments before in the middle of the samoyed attack. Bad transition indeed - that airship scene is clearly meant to come a few minutes after the scene that ends the film. Then Iorek is down on the ground (with no explanation as to where Lee is) running to Svalbard. Then they win the day with the bears, and Lyra is carried back to Bolvangar, where she was originally meant to be carried by those samoyeds. She learns there that Lord Asriel is back in Svalbard, being kept captive. The film ends with Lyra in Scoresby's airship, and you half expect the thing to be knocked off course by cliffghasts so that Lyra can fall down to Svalbard and replay that whole portion of the story again.

    (iii) At nearly every corner, Disneyfication was evident. Iorek Byrnison didn't kill another bear by accident - he was defeated in combat. Lyra doesn't come across a young boy she doesn't know who dies of the separation from his daemon, she comes across a friend who is put in the care of his mother. The Master of Jordan doesn't poison Lord Asriel's drink, the evil Fra Pavel does. We don't see the letters from Bolvangar being destroyed. Ambiguous material is kept at out at every turn. And little is left to chance - on all three occasions when the alethiometer is mention, it is swiftly identified as 'the golden compass' as though two names were better than one.

    Had I encountered the story in this form, I dare say I would have found the book's acclaim to be strange indeed, and never bothered to read the trilogy. I do hope they make the others, because it's interesting to see these adaptations, and also because I want to hear where Desplat will go.

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    posted 12-26-2007 03:10 AM PT (US)     

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    A very interesting youtube video for those who are curious as to how THE GOLDEN COMPASS was meant to end.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvcZr_CHOj0

    One of the most interesting aspects of this is how scenes have temp music before they've even been shot!

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