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sean Standard Userer	Do a lot of people here listen to the FSM podcasts? I know nuts_score does, and I know I do, but who else does? I guess I have another motive here and that's nuts! they're slamming Marco Beltrami, What Thinkest Thou!? (Keep getting on online at all the wrong times, so there's no catching up on economics in south east Asia and pornography.)
posted 10-16-2007 06:42 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Uh, oh. I haven't listened to the new one; but I don't know if I will if they're going to throw down on Beltrami. If this was during the time period when Terminator 3 was released, I could understand some criticism. But in a year with both Die Hard 4.0 and 3:10 to Yuma?! Doesn't flow well, you hear? I'll be catching it soon.
posted 10-16-2007 09:34 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	They praise 3:10 TO YUMA, and midly chide DIE HARD 4. I'd say they got their priorities right. More significantly, they bash... Ilan Eskeri, Harry Gregson-Williams, Trevor Rabin, Brian Tyler and take a second pass at Harry Gregson-Williams, all for the same reason! [Message edited by franz_conrad on 10-17-2007]
posted 10-17-2007 02:34 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Michael, I don't think they "bash" Trevor Rabin in there at all, they just point out the origins of a particular theme from him and that it's been copied since; yet, the Kaplans also point out that a different thematic approach has been done before with a different time signature (I assume they're talking about something John Williams wrote). They like 3:10 To Yuma, but it might fall short of praise. nuts, I have to agree with them about Live Free Or Die Hard: This score gets less and less interesting with repeated listens: Beltrami's heavy use of unnecessary electronics, particularly in "Shootout," is becoming too distracting to actually enjoy any of what the orchestra is playing (strip the synth from it and it'd be a bit better). Also, the Kaplan bros. do have a point about the non-use of the Die Hard-chord (Beltrami does have a muted performance of it, but that theme should blast out when used, like Kamen's original) ... Compare the score to Kamen's work and Beltrami came up sub-par (/*** at best).
posted 10-17-2007 05:35 AM PT (US)

mathew Standard Userer	I like those podcasts. They are interesting and funny at the same time. Especially the podcast about James Horner and his sources of "inspiration".
posted 10-17-2007 07:42 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by mathew: I like those podcasts. They are interesting and funny at the same time. Especially the podcast about James Horner and his sources of "inspiration". Same. The best, though, has to be when two of them are trying to hum/sing/something one of Patrick Doyle's themes from Harry Potter; that was hilarious! As was the Munich podcast!
posted 10-17-2007 10:39 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	The only thing missing from Live Free or Die Hard is a classical source cue like the other films. But I blame director Len Wiseman for that FUBAR; Beltrami is smart enough to include a source cue, Wiseman isn't. I'm glad they're ripping on Eskeri; I don't know why everyone was going crazy over Stardust in the first place. It was the biggest temp-rip since 300! What has Tyler done this year? I know he has AVP 2: Requiem on it's way, what else? And after The Number 23 and Seraphim Falls I'm beginning to wonder what I ever saw in HGW (as I go back through my iTunes to pull up his better earlier stuff).
posted 10-17-2007 12:11 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: The only thing missing from Live Free or Die Hard is a classical source cue like the other films. But I blame director Len Wiseman for that FUBAR; Beltrami is smart enough to include a source cue, Wiseman isn't. I'm glad they're ripping on Eskeri; I don't know why everyone was going crazy over Stardust in the first place. It was the biggest temp-rip since 300! What has Tyler done this year? I know he has AVP 2: Requiem on it's way, what else? And after The Number 23 and Seraphim Falls I'm beginning to wonder what I ever saw in HGW (as I go back through my iTunes to pull up his better earlier stuff). I agree about the classical source piece that Beltrami should have used: My vote would be for "1812 Overture," and although it has nothing to do with Washington being burned to the ground in that particular year, it would superficially be an effective piece to use, given the threat the terrorists pose to the capital in Live Free Or Die Hard. Plus, it's a cool, grand piece. Brian Tyler also did War this year and that wasn't very interesting. The Alien/Predator movies offer such an awesome world to work within musically that it really comes down to incompetence when a composer screws up one of these score: There's only been two slip-ups IMO: John Frizzell's Alien Resurrection and Harold Kloser's Alien Vs. Predator. Goldsmith, Horner, Goldenthal, and Silvestri ALL composed first-rate scores for their entries. Hopefully, Tyler will deliver; his best score to date is still for the Enterprise Borg-centered episode, "Regeneration." Agreed, nuts? nuts, HGW pretty much sucks all around. The only scores I've truly enjoyed with his music have been when he's paired up with another composer(s): Antz, Chicken Run, The Rock, Armageddon ... and maybe that's it. His Metal Gear scores wear thin QUICKLY after the variations on the main theme. And I have no idea why this is, but he's the only composer EVER who's music has actually given me a head ache: For some reason (this has to be a problem with the bass, or the music is just plain terrible and it hurts my soul HAHA), The Replacement Killers always gave me a head ache, like a killer one!, so I sold that disc after trying to enjoy it for over a year; maybe it gave me brain damage! HAHA!
posted 10-17-2007 01:02 PM PT (US)

Stargate Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: *The Alien/Predator* movies offer such an awesome world to work within** Seriously? Only one has been released so far and it sucked big time. quote: There's only been two slip-ups IMO: John Frizzell's Alien Resurrection Why do so many bag on Alien Resurrection? Yes, it isn't the front-runner for the Alien scores, but it isn't really that bad, either. I think it has a very befitting theme. "They Swim" also contains some very promising material (granted, some chunks of that track are just loud "noise"). quote: *Hopefully, Tyler will deliver; his best score to date is still for the Enterprise* Borg-centered episode, "Regeneration." Agreed, nuts?** I'll agree with you here if nuts doesn't. This is easily my favorite work from Tyler.
posted 10-17-2007 01:19 PM PT (US)

mathew Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: *Hopefully, Tyler will deliver; his best score to date is still for the Enterprise* Borg-centered episode, "Regeneration." Agreed, nuts?** I enjoyed Tyler's score for the "Canamar" episode even more.
posted 10-17-2007 02:10 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	I've listened to a few of the podcasts. I feel a bit out of the loop though because I don't keep up with a lot of the latest new scores and composers.
posted 10-18-2007 10:32 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Stargate: Seriously? Only one has been released so far and it sucked big time. I meant the Alien series: Alien (Goldsmith), Aliens (Horner), Alien 3 (Goldenthal), and Alien Resurrection (Frizzell). And then, I also mean the Predator series: Predator (Silvestri) and Predator 2 (Silvestri). That's why I wrote Alien / Predator movies, and not Alien Vs. Preadtor movies. I hope that clears that up. I wasn't discussing either the very bad Kloser score or the first AvP movie. Why do people rag on Frizzell's score? Because it's not very good. Because it's not very good compared to the rest of the Alien scores. Because it's boring. Because for the amount of time Frizzell had score this movie, he could have come up with something better; Horner had mere weeks and his score rocks. And the parts you mention actually sound like something James Newton Howard might have written, given that JNH was Frizzell's mentor.
posted 10-18-2007 11:56 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	http://fsmpodcast.libsyn.com/index.php was there ever an FSM podcast #26? p.s. that Podcast about the Dies Irae was brilliant [Message edited by Camillu on 11-18-2007]
posted 11-18-2007 07:24 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Wow, I don't even remember this thread. And yes, Sean and Stargate, Brian Tyler's music for "Regeneration" is probably his top work. I know, I know, if only he were scoring Star Trek XI: Star Babies.
posted 11-18-2007 12:14 PM PT (US)

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