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Originally posted by sean:
David Arnold should be kicked off the Bond films immediately! His music for the James Bond films is boring, unoriginal, and void of passion.

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Define a music cue that, according to you, IS full of 'passion'...'cause if you think Arnold's Bond music doesn't have passion (Kowloon Bay? Snow Business? Jinx's theme? Ice Palace Car Chase? Solange? Vesper? City of Lovers? etc. etc. etc.), you need to get your passion-o-meter checked.

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He ... continues to deliver junk-John Barry-imitation music.

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John Barry could never dream of writing music as thematically or texturally interesting as Arnold's. Arnold takes Barry's theme-style, removes the boring-ness, the thin orchestration and stagnant repetition and replaces it with an infusion of counter-melody, rich orchestral textures, thematic fragmentation and manipulation, and a general sense of awesomeness.

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Originally posted by sean:
Brendan, sorry but time constraints doesn't allow to me respond to you fully...I see little need for discussion here about Arnold vs. Barry, except for this acronym that pummels anything David Arnold has written for Bond: O.H.M.S.S.

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Not a problem...just wanted to establish you have little or no actual reasons for your silly opinions. But as always, it's your unalienable right to dislike good music.

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Arnold takes Barry's theme-style, removes the boring-ness, the thin orchestration and stagnant repetition and replaces it with an infusion of counter-melody, rich orchestral textures, thematic fragmentation and manipulation, and a general sense of awesomeness.

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I would agree with this, but often Arnold is a little repetitive of his own. "Body Double" from TWINE comes to mind.
And his latest Bond scores plague thematic repetition. By now I can't hear the rolling "Pipeline" motif anymore.

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Also, you actually like Michael Giacchino's lame music for M: I 3, so I see little need for discussion

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By the same reasoning Brendan might say "You like Hans Zimmer's boring music for At World's End, so I see little need for discussion".
But what should one have to do with the other?

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What's "boring-ness"? Ellaborate.

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Well, you do own some Zimmer scores, so you should be accustomed to boringness by now

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Originally posted by sean:
Brendan, your opinions are credible, not "silly"? Why is that? And what are my "no actual reasons" for my opinions? What's "good music"? Michael Giacchino? David Arnold's Bond scores? What's "boring-ness"? Ellaborate.

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Boring-ness is the word I use for music like Barry's in OHMSS - take Escape From Piz Gloria and Ski Chase for example - great melody, but all it is is repeated over and over with the same little counter-melody low brass thing - yes it's played by different instruments as it goes, but nothing else is different - nothing is added to build excitement as it progresses. No key changes, extra melodic fragments, extra accompaniment, nothing.

Or even worse, how about 'Dawn Raid at Fort Knox' from Goldfinger - all the material for the whole cue is presented in the first 45 seconds and then repeated over and over and over and over and over for 3 minutes - the same two chords. Then a brief interlude of the same rhythms we heard before...then...oh yes. The same two chords.

Or how about '007 Takes the Lektor' from From Russia With Love? All this action music loses any excitement for me because the music doesn't go anywhere except around and around. Barry's main strength is also his weakness - great melody. He just doesn't let it get out and stretch any.

I consider opinions who's only basis is, "I don't like it because it's bad" to be silly because they have no support. Perhaps if there were some discussion of the actual music the opinion might be worth a bit more. For instance, you could say, "I don't like Casino Royale because it has too many beautiful themes and exciting action music."

"Good music" is subjective just like "bad music" but if you're going to claim boldly that something is very bad you should at least have some reasons, no? The only reasons you presented were, "unoriginal", "void of passion", and "John Barry imitation". These are all nebulous comments and don't actually talk about the music itself. What makes you say it's "John Barry Imitation"? What do you mean? The style of the melodies? Yes, I agree it sounds like John Barry and I have no doubt that's on purpose....but the orchestration, texture, progression and dramatic weight of those themes is certainly much more Arnold-sounding than Barry-sounding so I don't necessarily agree on saying 'imitation'.

And you should know that I'm only serious when it comes to misrepresentations of David Arnold's music. Any other time I would be happy to discuss bodily functions, penguins who are suspected of being serial killers, or whether or not it is obscene that Donald Duck doesn't wear pants.

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Originally posted by nuts_score:
Hey Jerawn [sic], where can Sean and I sign up for this pilates class?

Do they play Hans Zimmer music?

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I hope they play Backdraft.

Brendan: STUPID DAY, now get over yourself.

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Originally posted by sean:
STUPID DAY, now get over yourself.

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